Pick lines

eibod
eibod Member Posts: 160
Hi everybody, could anyone tell me a little about Pick lines? Hubby went in Thursday to have his port put back in, (the one he had for 2 years had fractured and been taken out
Oct 2). The procedure was supposed to last 45 minutes. He was in there 3 hours. They
weren't able to install one because the vein/artery had clotted off. He can't have one on the left side because of a pacemaker. So they will put a pick line in next week. I was
a little worried to know the right side had clotted off, but have read that it happens.
I don't know anything about pick lines, but his veins are so bad they will need on to
continue with the chemo. I know you guys will tell me what I need to know. Thanks, Brenda

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  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    PICC serves same purpose as port; goes in via upper,inner
    arm, inch or so below armpit then into heart, i think, like port (i had a port that became defective, two piccs-one after another and a partridge in a pear tree) PICC needs to be flushed weekly, if i recall, with saline solution and heperin (i think)and its more delicate than port in that it can fall out if you're not too careful (my second one was sewn to my arm AND i still managed to completely loosen it between last dose and official removal). You can get blood drawn from it and infusion pumped into it. See if chemo nurse will show you how to flush;unhook pump-(if need be),at home.I think you're not supposed to get it wet tho ask about this.Also, while a port may last for years, a picc is not so durable.....However,you don't want infusion directly into veins-did that twice with oxi and it wasn't pleaseureable.....
  • Sundanceh
    Sundanceh Member Posts: 4,392 Member
    coloCan said:

    PICC serves same purpose as port; goes in via upper,inner
    arm, inch or so below armpit then into heart, i think, like port (i had a port that became defective, two piccs-one after another and a partridge in a pear tree) PICC needs to be flushed weekly, if i recall, with saline solution and heperin (i think)and its more delicate than port in that it can fall out if you're not too careful (my second one was sewn to my arm AND i still managed to completely loosen it between last dose and official removal). You can get blood drawn from it and infusion pumped into it. See if chemo nurse will show you how to flush;unhook pump-(if need be),at home.I think you're not supposed to get it wet tho ask about this.Also, while a port may last for years, a picc is not so durable.....However,you don't want infusion directly into veins-did that twice with oxi and it wasn't pleaseureable.....

    I Agree...
    Steve has summed it up well...say No to veins is right, Steve:)

    Good luck, Brenda:)

    -Craig
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    PICC

    My original PICC had been in since last 2/2011, and worked just
    dandy until I accidentally caught the tubing on a box I was carrying.
    and pulled it out. They put a new one on the following week, and
    I just make sure the tubing is covered and not dangling free.

    A PICC can last for years with proper care. Mine is used for
    the administering of hydration fluids, and I flush prior to using
    each bag of saline (3x nightly), and at the end of use. After the
    final use (for the day/night) the PICC is flushed with saline, and
    one shot of heparin is injected to help insure the valves and tubing
    will not suffer clotting.

    With both the "Port" and the "PICC", any infection in the body
    will result with the Port or PICC being removed until the infection
    clears. While the Port requires an operation to install or remove,
    the PICC requires no "operation", only a sterile setting suffices.

    My first PICC was placed while I was in a "recovery room",
    and the second was done at the hospital, in a special room
    designed for ports placement, PICC, IV, etc.

    The nurse that came to our home, places PICC lines with the
    patient at their own home, so there is no need for special settings,
    or a full-blown surgical setting.

    The PORT must be placed in the chest, while a PICC can be
    installed in either arm, chest, abdomen, or leg. (I was surprised
    to hear that!).

    The PICC tubing is tiny, and runs inside a return vein that leads
    directly to the heart. It does not enter the heart, it's just placed
    far enough into the vein so that it won't "snake out" easily.

    The PICC is maintained by replacing the sterile surface wrap
    each week. It's a fairly simple process to remove the old tape,
    wash the area, and replace with new tape. They provide kits
    to use for at home care. My wife helps (since you need two
    hands to do this), but it's simple to do.

    Personally, I prefer the PICC to a port.

    Be well!

    John
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642
    John23 said:

    PICC

    My original PICC had been in since last 2/2011, and worked just
    dandy until I accidentally caught the tubing on a box I was carrying.
    and pulled it out. They put a new one on the following week, and
    I just make sure the tubing is covered and not dangling free.

    A PICC can last for years with proper care. Mine is used for
    the administering of hydration fluids, and I flush prior to using
    each bag of saline (3x nightly), and at the end of use. After the
    final use (for the day/night) the PICC is flushed with saline, and
    one shot of heparin is injected to help insure the valves and tubing
    will not suffer clotting.

    With both the "Port" and the "PICC", any infection in the body
    will result with the Port or PICC being removed until the infection
    clears. While the Port requires an operation to install or remove,
    the PICC requires no "operation", only a sterile setting suffices.

    My first PICC was placed while I was in a "recovery room",
    and the second was done at the hospital, in a special room
    designed for ports placement, PICC, IV, etc.

    The nurse that came to our home, places PICC lines with the
    patient at their own home, so there is no need for special settings,
    or a full-blown surgical setting.

    The PORT must be placed in the chest, while a PICC can be
    installed in either arm, chest, abdomen, or leg. (I was surprised
    to hear that!).

    The PICC tubing is tiny, and runs inside a return vein that leads
    directly to the heart. It does not enter the heart, it's just placed
    far enough into the vein so that it won't "snake out" easily.

    The PICC is maintained by replacing the sterile surface wrap
    each week. It's a fairly simple process to remove the old tape,
    wash the area, and replace with new tape. They provide kits
    to use for at home care. My wife helps (since you need two
    hands to do this), but it's simple to do.

    Personally, I prefer the PICC to a port.

    Be well!

    John

    PICC Lines
    Hi: I too have a PICC line and I'm so thankful I have - getting IVs to infuse the chemicals was becoming a nightmare as my veins have become hard and tiny after so many chemo treatments. I have a 5FU pump for 42 hrs after every c hemo treatment which is why I have the PICC line but I would have had it put in anyways. It took 3 hours to put in the PICC line, well, not to put it in but to find a suitable vein, sterilize the room where it was being put in, and then to put it in. It didn't hurt at all, just felt a little weird at first. I have had it for 6 months now and it has basically been worry free. A nurse comes every 7 days to flush the line and replace the waterproof dressing (it could go 10 days at a pinch). She only uses saline on mine as I get frequent MRIs with contrast dye and if heparin had been used they couldn't use the PICC line for that. Iwear a protective sleeve on the PICC line arm. Showering is a bit of a nuisance but the nurses at the cancer centre give me plastic sleeves to cover the PICC line entry point (my upper arm) so it doesn't get wet. The only other thing that is bothersome is tight sleeves - now that winter is fast approaching, I wear long sleeves but if they're tight it is uncomfortable.
    My brochure says they can be in for 2 years.
    Cheryl
  • thxmiker
    thxmiker Member Posts: 1,278 Member
    A Pick line is older
    A Pick line is older technology compared to the port to do the same thing.

    Best Always, mike
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    thxmiker said:

    A Pick line is older
    A Pick line is older technology compared to the port to do the same thing.

    Best Always, mike

    Mike -

    The way it was explained to me, was that a "port" is a "bladder"
    (with a line similar to the PICC that enters the vein), that is placed
    under the skin. The "bladder" is to accept a large quantity of
    chemicals to be released into the blood stream. The PICC does
    not have a "bladder", so there is no need for a surgical opening
    for placement.

    A PICC is far from "old technology", and each of the devices have
    it's purpose, although either can be used for each other's purpose.

    For me... a "port" is overkill. For daily hydration, there would
    have to be a device added that is akin to an IV fitting. And that fitting
    would have to be changed weekly or bi-weekly. They would have to
    install the IV fitting into the Port's bag and leave it there for my daily use.

    I personally do not care for either device, but of a choice between
    open surgery to place a bag (port) inside my body, near my lung and
    heart....... or simply have a "long line IV" placed, without having
    any open surgery..... I would always choose the latter.

    Good health to you and yours!

    John
  • eibod
    eibod Member Posts: 160
    Thanks everyone for helping
    Thanks everyone for helping me with information on this. I think hubby and I feel a lot
    better about it and he won't be worried about it. I knew I could get the facts from you
    guys.

    With Thanksgiving next week, let me please express to everyone how grateful I am for this
    board. It has really been a help and comfort to me since I joined first of this year.
    It is easier to handle things when you have someone else who is listening and caring.
    Happy Thanksgiving!!!!! Brenda
  • thxmiker
    thxmiker Member Posts: 1,278 Member
    John23 said:

    Mike -

    The way it was explained to me, was that a "port" is a "bladder"
    (with a line similar to the PICC that enters the vein), that is placed
    under the skin. The "bladder" is to accept a large quantity of
    chemicals to be released into the blood stream. The PICC does
    not have a "bladder", so there is no need for a surgical opening
    for placement.

    A PICC is far from "old technology", and each of the devices have
    it's purpose, although either can be used for each other's purpose.

    For me... a "port" is overkill. For daily hydration, there would
    have to be a device added that is akin to an IV fitting. And that fitting
    would have to be changed weekly or bi-weekly. They would have to
    install the IV fitting into the Port's bag and leave it there for my daily use.

    I personally do not care for either device, but of a choice between
    open surgery to place a bag (port) inside my body, near my lung and
    heart....... or simply have a "long line IV" placed, without having
    any open surgery..... I would always choose the latter.

    Good health to you and yours!

    John

    The PICC was patented in
    The PICC was patented in 1975 and is used for temporary infusions. The standard of use is usually 30 days. I am sure many of you know of or have had a PICC for longer periods. A friend of mine had his for the last 6 months of his life.

    The Portacath was patented in 1984 and is used for more permanent infusions or injections. Portacaths have a lifetime of 150-200 insertions. Again I know many of you have experiences of shorter terms because of premature failures. From my reading most premature failures are from improper insertion of needles. Incorrect needle gauge or not hitting the center of the port, etc... The bladder does not store the injection, it is released immdiately to the blood stream via one of the veins in the arm.

    The port is a safer long term choice. I had a port for nearly a year. It did make the infusions much easier.
    Best Always, mike
  • Brenda Bricco
    Brenda Bricco Member Posts: 579 Member
    eibod said:

    Thanks everyone for helping
    Thanks everyone for helping me with information on this. I think hubby and I feel a lot
    better about it and he won't be worried about it. I knew I could get the facts from you
    guys.

    With Thanksgiving next week, let me please express to everyone how grateful I am for this
    board. It has really been a help and comfort to me since I joined first of this year.
    It is easier to handle things when you have someone else who is listening and caring.
    Happy Thanksgiving!!!!! Brenda

    I have had several pic lines
    I have had several pic lines for dyalisis... I was never awake when they were put in but taking them out was always interesting. The nurse would apply pressure as she pulled them out and kept a lot of pressure on it to avoid bleeding. I felt like they were holding me down in my hospital bed. I don't know if they are considered "old technology" but I was always impressed with the whole idea of it.
  • dmj101
    dmj101 Member Posts: 527 Member
    pics ..
    did he get a power pic.. very similar to port..
  • eibod
    eibod Member Posts: 160
    dmj101 said:

    pics ..
    did he get a power pic.. very similar to port..

    Actually they are doing a
    Actually they are doing a "passport" on Thursday. Is that the same as a power pic?
    I understand that it is a simple procedure and Radiology is going to do it. They
    are also going to do another parencentesis (sp?)then. We were told it would be a
    pic line, then Onc said a passport. I really don't know the difference, but as
    long as it provides access, his veins are awful.