Food for Life Classes

daisy366
daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
edited October 2011 in Uterine Cancer #1
Well ladies, my husband and I started classes yesterday. I'm so glad he went with me (he's a prostate ca survivor) because he is getting terrific info first hand - instead of hearing it from me and not believing a word of it (can any of you relate to that???)

I think all this info has been discussed here but I did not always pay close attention to some of these concepts until I could "connect the dots"!

The key things I took away from the first class are:
1. HORMONES SPREAD CANCER. Diets with high fat and low fiber INCREASE ESTROGEN. FIBER helps rid the body of estrogen. Low fiber diets just allow estrogen to recycle through the bile ducts and liver and it is not released until FIBER can take it out!!!
2. DAIRY PRODUCTS BAD due to insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF1). I'm p!!ssed that my doc said milk OK. I've been happily consuming this stuff till now (ignorance is bliss).
3. SOY GOOD despite having some estrogen. "Certain foods have special benefits. Soybeans, for example, contain natural compounds called phytoestrogens. These are very weak estrogens that can occipy the estrogen recetors on breast cells, displacing normal estrogens. The result is less estrogen stimulation of each cell. Soybeans are a mainstay of Asian diets and may be an additonal reason why these countries have low concer rates". Raw and organic soy the best.
4. GRILLED and FRIED MEAT CARCINOGENIC. It creates heterocyclic amines (HCA) due to high temps it is cooked at. Even browning meat creates this. (Goodbye my delicious pork tenderloin!!) They promoted PLANT-BASED DIET.

We enjoyed a dinner cooked there and served to us - whole grain penne pasta with kale and tomatoes, bean salad (super yummy), and chocolate mousse (made with soy). We enjoyed a smoothie of kale, soymilk, and fruit. They used soymilk with sugar. I will learn more about sugar in later classes. I purchased The Cancer Survivor's Guide which has these and more recipes.

All this information is available online @ cancerproject.org.
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  • kkstef
    kkstef Member Posts: 688
    Thanks for sharing, Mary Ann
    It is GREAT that your husband is going to your class and hear the info first hand! Husbands some times are like kids....they get "wife deaf".

    I did print off the pages on transitioning to vegetarian as feel that would be a good move. I still eat too much beef, pork and chicken although greatly reduced. Although I don't drink milk I do LOVE cheese! I got some more work to do, obviously!!

    Every time I make kale (in a salad or cooked) it is always so tough. Am thinking I am not doing it right or I have the wrong variety. Any suggestions?

    Happy and healthy eating!

    Karen
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
    kkstef said:

    Thanks for sharing, Mary Ann
    It is GREAT that your husband is going to your class and hear the info first hand! Husbands some times are like kids....they get "wife deaf".

    I did print off the pages on transitioning to vegetarian as feel that would be a good move. I still eat too much beef, pork and chicken although greatly reduced. Although I don't drink milk I do LOVE cheese! I got some more work to do, obviously!!

    Every time I make kale (in a salad or cooked) it is always so tough. Am thinking I am not doing it right or I have the wrong variety. Any suggestions?

    Happy and healthy eating!

    Karen

    kale
    Hi Karen,

    They used kale that was chopped and washed in bag - convenient for sure. They said to pull off stem and chop well. When using in drink you have to blend it longer to break up the kale. You can also substitute collards for kale.

    I also have much work to do - but we are on the right track. I continue to come into bloom!!!
  • jazzy1
    jazzy1 Member Posts: 1,379
    Mary Ann
    This is full of wonderful points....class was given by The Cancer Project? Noticed nothing held in my state - Missouri.

    I've been going to a nutritionist whose a breast cancer survivor....feel she has some skin in the game therefore, tend to follow her more. One thing I learned watch the dairy products as the animals are ingested with hormones which we in turn, consume via their by-products. Also, what form of animals/humans consume dairy past infancy? We do!! Our bodies have difficulties ingesting, etc.

    Soy? I've been told by my nutritionist and a prominent doc at UCLA whose an oncologist, watch soy -- too many unknowns on this product. Doc suggested I limit soy to 2 servicings per day. I only get this food in soy milk with my protein shake twice per day. When we don't consume dairy or meat we need to watch our protein and calcium intakes. Get it from other foods.

    Meat? My nutritionist was first to tell me NO FOODS ON THE BBQ GRILL. Have read we can marinate the meats then place on grill, but haven't found any definitive research yet. I've solved this solution...don't eat meat.

    Fish -- I do partake of fish, but must watch the mercury. Below is link for listing of the GOOD FISH to eat.

    http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/download.aspx

    My diet entails lots of plant foods -- vegies, fruits and legumes/beans and nuts. Purchase as much in "organic" side as I can find. Guess you can say pretty similar to being a vegetarian. I have never been a real eat meater, therefore, stopping meat was very easy. The dairy was a necessity with the hormones, so just learned to avoid cheese.

    Love to hear what you find on "sugar". I avoid this as well, but occasionally partake of a shake container of Stevia in my iced green tea at dinner. When I have a sweet tooth attack, eat a few frozen grapes. Ever try them? Yummie! Just clean red grapes and place in bowl in freezer. When I want them pull off a few branches and eat away. Seems to hit the sweetness button!!
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
    jazzy1 said:

    Mary Ann
    This is full of wonderful points....class was given by The Cancer Project? Noticed nothing held in my state - Missouri.

    I've been going to a nutritionist whose a breast cancer survivor....feel she has some skin in the game therefore, tend to follow her more. One thing I learned watch the dairy products as the animals are ingested with hormones which we in turn, consume via their by-products. Also, what form of animals/humans consume dairy past infancy? We do!! Our bodies have difficulties ingesting, etc.

    Soy? I've been told by my nutritionist and a prominent doc at UCLA whose an oncologist, watch soy -- too many unknowns on this product. Doc suggested I limit soy to 2 servicings per day. I only get this food in soy milk with my protein shake twice per day. When we don't consume dairy or meat we need to watch our protein and calcium intakes. Get it from other foods.

    Meat? My nutritionist was first to tell me NO FOODS ON THE BBQ GRILL. Have read we can marinate the meats then place on grill, but haven't found any definitive research yet. I've solved this solution...don't eat meat.

    Fish -- I do partake of fish, but must watch the mercury. Below is link for listing of the GOOD FISH to eat.

    http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/download.aspx

    My diet entails lots of plant foods -- vegies, fruits and legumes/beans and nuts. Purchase as much in "organic" side as I can find. Guess you can say pretty similar to being a vegetarian. I have never been a real eat meater, therefore, stopping meat was very easy. The dairy was a necessity with the hormones, so just learned to avoid cheese.

    Love to hear what you find on "sugar". I avoid this as well, but occasionally partake of a shake container of Stevia in my iced green tea at dinner. When I have a sweet tooth attack, eat a few frozen grapes. Ever try them? Yummie! Just clean red grapes and place in bowl in freezer. When I want them pull off a few branches and eat away. Seems to hit the sweetness button!!

    let me know if you have questions!
    Good feedback Jill. If anyone has questions I will bring them to next class. There are only 3 more class so they will go fast.

    Mary Ann
  • Kaleena
    Kaleena Member Posts: 2,064 Member
    Thanks for the info!I was
    Thanks for the info!

    I was told by my original gny/onc to stay away from Hormones too. He would not do hormone therapy on me. I was also told to stay away from soy. Its ok occasionally. That is for me, though.

    With regard to dairy products, or as with anything, it is proportions and not to overdo it. If you are going to have dairy products, buy organic dairy which cows are grass fed without hormones, etc. same with chickens, etc.

    My best to you and your husband on this!

    Kathy

    P.S. Eating food is all about balance. All meals should include fresh vegetables and fruit (regular portions sizes) and about a 5 or 6 oz entry of fish, chicken, meat. Also, snacks should be balanced - ex: fruit + a protein; yogurt + fruit. One without the other won't work. Balanced meals and snacks helps to eliminate toxins in the body, of course along with lots of water. (that is hard for me!)
  • jazzy1
    jazzy1 Member Posts: 1,379
    daisy366 said:

    let me know if you have questions!
    Good feedback Jill. If anyone has questions I will bring them to next class. There are only 3 more class so they will go fast.

    Mary Ann

    Mary Ann
    You mean me, Jan? I'm anxious to see what they say about "sugar" as that could mean natural sugars in fruits or cane sugar. Plse keep me posted on this one.

    Thanks
    Jan
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
    Kaleena said:

    Thanks for the info!I was
    Thanks for the info!

    I was told by my original gny/onc to stay away from Hormones too. He would not do hormone therapy on me. I was also told to stay away from soy. Its ok occasionally. That is for me, though.

    With regard to dairy products, or as with anything, it is proportions and not to overdo it. If you are going to have dairy products, buy organic dairy which cows are grass fed without hormones, etc. same with chickens, etc.

    My best to you and your husband on this!

    Kathy

    P.S. Eating food is all about balance. All meals should include fresh vegetables and fruit (regular portions sizes) and about a 5 or 6 oz entry of fish, chicken, meat. Also, snacks should be balanced - ex: fruit + a protein; yogurt + fruit. One without the other won't work. Balanced meals and snacks helps to eliminate toxins in the body, of course along with lots of water. (that is hard for me!)

    Dairy
    I'm definitely no expert, but hormone fed cows is not THE reason to avoid dairy......per this program. It's the fat, cholesterol, animal protein and connection to insulin-growth factor 1 that are the reasons. You can throw their feed in as frosting on the cake I guess..... Skim milk is not good for us either.

    Someone mentioned this on another thread.....Only reason for milk is to help baby cows GROW. It promotes cancer growth. That's enough to convince me.

    FAT impairs the body's immune system.

    Jan, yes I meant YOU dear friend.
  • Ro10
    Ro10 Member Posts: 1,561
    daisy366 said:

    Dairy
    I'm definitely no expert, but hormone fed cows is not THE reason to avoid dairy......per this program. It's the fat, cholesterol, animal protein and connection to insulin-growth factor 1 that are the reasons. You can throw their feed in as frosting on the cake I guess..... Skim milk is not good for us either.

    Someone mentioned this on another thread.....Only reason for milk is to help baby cows GROW. It promotes cancer growth. That's enough to convince me.

    FAT impairs the body's immune system.

    Jan, yes I meant YOU dear friend.

    Mary Ann thanks for sharing
    Good Information. Glad to hear your husband is going to the classes, too. I know how some husbands tune out their wife's good advice. Hope you enjoy the rest of the classes. I look forward to looking up the web site for additional information. Glad you continue to feel well and are seeking new information. In peace and caring.
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
    Ro10 said:

    Mary Ann thanks for sharing
    Good Information. Glad to hear your husband is going to the classes, too. I know how some husbands tune out their wife's good advice. Hope you enjoy the rest of the classes. I look forward to looking up the web site for additional information. Glad you continue to feel well and are seeking new information. In peace and caring.

    Second class notes
    I will point out that the Cancer Project has a strong bias against consumption of any animal products. So that being said, here are notes from this week.

    We enjoyed meal of brown rice with lentil/tomato/artichoke stew, ambrosia, and hummus veggie wrap on whole grain tortilla.

    1. FAT in diet raises estrogen and testosterone levels contributing to breast and prostate cancers (and other hormone related ailments)
    2. Optimal FIBER consumption is 40 grams daily - from combination of beans, whole (not refined or enriched) grains, veggies, fruits. Benefits by taking excess hormones and carcinogens out of the body. For every 14 grams of fiber calorie intake typically drops by 10%.
    3. When shopping for bread look for whole grains as 1st ingredient and less than 20% fat content per serving
    4. Re: consuming acid foods like brown rice. Eating a balanced plant-based diet should not turn body acid. Body does correct. That it is "splitting hairs" to avoid beneficial foods like brown rice. (Acid-avoiders ladies please don't shoot the messenger!!!)

    There were several testimonials from people with serious health problems (including 40ish man with hx of acid reflux and obesity who had surgical treatment that failed and 30ish woman with MS) that said the plant-based diet has improved their health and lifestyle and they are no longer on any medicines.

    The following info is aside from class:
    1. STRESS will foster an acid body!!!!!
    2. ACTIVATED CHARCOAL is good general aide for intestinal problems (diarrhea, gas), insect bites, cuts. It comes powdered & in capsules and can be used internally or topically. I never heard this! good to keep in our cars.

    No sugar discussion yet - which I will ask about. But let me know your questions and I will ask. Mary Ann
  • jazzy1
    jazzy1 Member Posts: 1,379
    daisy366 said:

    Second class notes
    I will point out that the Cancer Project has a strong bias against consumption of any animal products. So that being said, here are notes from this week.

    We enjoyed meal of brown rice with lentil/tomato/artichoke stew, ambrosia, and hummus veggie wrap on whole grain tortilla.

    1. FAT in diet raises estrogen and testosterone levels contributing to breast and prostate cancers (and other hormone related ailments)
    2. Optimal FIBER consumption is 40 grams daily - from combination of beans, whole (not refined or enriched) grains, veggies, fruits. Benefits by taking excess hormones and carcinogens out of the body. For every 14 grams of fiber calorie intake typically drops by 10%.
    3. When shopping for bread look for whole grains as 1st ingredient and less than 20% fat content per serving
    4. Re: consuming acid foods like brown rice. Eating a balanced plant-based diet should not turn body acid. Body does correct. That it is "splitting hairs" to avoid beneficial foods like brown rice. (Acid-avoiders ladies please don't shoot the messenger!!!)

    There were several testimonials from people with serious health problems (including 40ish man with hx of acid reflux and obesity who had surgical treatment that failed and 30ish woman with MS) that said the plant-based diet has improved their health and lifestyle and they are no longer on any medicines.

    The following info is aside from class:
    1. STRESS will foster an acid body!!!!!
    2. ACTIVATED CHARCOAL is good general aide for intestinal problems (diarrhea, gas), insect bites, cuts. It comes powdered & in capsules and can be used internally or topically. I never heard this! good to keep in our cars.

    No sugar discussion yet - which I will ask about. But let me know your questions and I will ask. Mary Ann

    Class Notes
    Maryann...so happy to see more good information.

    Few things I'll comment on --

    . Fiber ins diet is so, so important ---- foods aren't sitting in our systems, but flushed out via the proper diet. My nutritionist told me the average person should have 3 bowel movements per day.

    . Bread -- have to agree about wanting "grained" breads and watch the ingredient count. First few items on ingredient list are weighted more with the product vs. last few. What I learned from someone else here, dig out our bread machines and make some good grain bread. Great way to monitor the ingredients, in fact, I've become quite creative with nuts and spices.

    . Eating Alkaline diet (less acidic) -- Sticking with plant-based is what I'm always trying, plus our systems will normally self-monitor and adjust to the proper levels. Doesn't mean if we eat a lot of acidic foods it'll go to the alkaline side....we must do our part and stick with more plants in our diets. Heard things about brown rice with more acidic levels so I've switched to quinoa.

    . Stress -- big one and agree!!! Get out our books from O. Carl Simonton, MD -- GETTING WELL AGAIN....calm our minds!

    Thanks so much for sharing Ms.Mary Ann~
  • california_artist
    california_artist Member Posts: 816 Member
    daisy366 said:

    Second class notes
    I will point out that the Cancer Project has a strong bias against consumption of any animal products. So that being said, here are notes from this week.

    We enjoyed meal of brown rice with lentil/tomato/artichoke stew, ambrosia, and hummus veggie wrap on whole grain tortilla.

    1. FAT in diet raises estrogen and testosterone levels contributing to breast and prostate cancers (and other hormone related ailments)
    2. Optimal FIBER consumption is 40 grams daily - from combination of beans, whole (not refined or enriched) grains, veggies, fruits. Benefits by taking excess hormones and carcinogens out of the body. For every 14 grams of fiber calorie intake typically drops by 10%.
    3. When shopping for bread look for whole grains as 1st ingredient and less than 20% fat content per serving
    4. Re: consuming acid foods like brown rice. Eating a balanced plant-based diet should not turn body acid. Body does correct. That it is "splitting hairs" to avoid beneficial foods like brown rice. (Acid-avoiders ladies please don't shoot the messenger!!!)

    There were several testimonials from people with serious health problems (including 40ish man with hx of acid reflux and obesity who had surgical treatment that failed and 30ish woman with MS) that said the plant-based diet has improved their health and lifestyle and they are no longer on any medicines.

    The following info is aside from class:
    1. STRESS will foster an acid body!!!!!
    2. ACTIVATED CHARCOAL is good general aide for intestinal problems (diarrhea, gas), insect bites, cuts. It comes powdered & in capsules and can be used internally or topically. I never heard this! good to keep in our cars.

    No sugar discussion yet - which I will ask about. But let me know your questions and I will ask. Mary Ann

    Thanks for sharing, Mary Ann
    The recommendation is for balance in the acid/alkaline intake. When a person is ill the balance should be in the 80/20% range 20% being acid. This makes a dinner with beans, rice, and lots and lots of veggies or lemon juice-which becomes alkaline in the body. You could choose to ignore how much emphasis you put on striving for alkalinity, but if you tend to over consume acidic foods, even healthy one like brown rice and allow your body to self correct, the correction comes at the cost of loosing calcium from your bones, teeth and other cells. Also, acidic blood tends to clump and the cell wall to thicken.

    As I rather like you, I would never consider shooting the messenger.

    Probably the easiest way to learn of the experience of an overly acidic intake on the body is talk to someone who has gout and has consumed meat or alcohol recently, that is if you can get them to stop saying ow, ow , and hopping around in pain.

    It's nice to hear that you are enjoying your classes so much, and especially nice of you to share your experiences here.

    Claudia
  • california_artist
    california_artist Member Posts: 816 Member
    daisy366 said:

    Second class notes
    I will point out that the Cancer Project has a strong bias against consumption of any animal products. So that being said, here are notes from this week.

    We enjoyed meal of brown rice with lentil/tomato/artichoke stew, ambrosia, and hummus veggie wrap on whole grain tortilla.

    1. FAT in diet raises estrogen and testosterone levels contributing to breast and prostate cancers (and other hormone related ailments)
    2. Optimal FIBER consumption is 40 grams daily - from combination of beans, whole (not refined or enriched) grains, veggies, fruits. Benefits by taking excess hormones and carcinogens out of the body. For every 14 grams of fiber calorie intake typically drops by 10%.
    3. When shopping for bread look for whole grains as 1st ingredient and less than 20% fat content per serving
    4. Re: consuming acid foods like brown rice. Eating a balanced plant-based diet should not turn body acid. Body does correct. That it is "splitting hairs" to avoid beneficial foods like brown rice. (Acid-avoiders ladies please don't shoot the messenger!!!)

    There were several testimonials from people with serious health problems (including 40ish man with hx of acid reflux and obesity who had surgical treatment that failed and 30ish woman with MS) that said the plant-based diet has improved their health and lifestyle and they are no longer on any medicines.

    The following info is aside from class:
    1. STRESS will foster an acid body!!!!!
    2. ACTIVATED CHARCOAL is good general aide for intestinal problems (diarrhea, gas), insect bites, cuts. It comes powdered & in capsules and can be used internally or topically. I never heard this! good to keep in our cars.

    No sugar discussion yet - which I will ask about. But let me know your questions and I will ask. Mary Ann

    While eliminating meat from your diet once diagnosed with cancer is a very good idea, that step alone is not the whole story. If your reasons are not wholly because you feel eating animals is not right and you are doing it strictly because of the highly acidic nature of the meat itself, you are on the right track.

    Becoming a vegetarian can be beneficial. However, even in the vegetarian world, there still exist acidic and alkaline foods. Grains, and cheeses are acidic. Sodas, artificial sweeteners, sugars, white flour, processed cereals, coffee, alcohol are highly, highly acidic. So one can be a vegetarian or vegan and still have a diet that supports cancer growth and bone loss. Even black tea is somewhat acidic. Green tea fights cancer, especially when taken only with lemon and steeped for thirty minutes.

    It is the totality of your actions that set the stage for your future health. Even whether or not your life in general causes you stress is relevant. A body under stress puts immune function on hold to fight what it considers a more pressing matter, as the immediate threat of danger trumps all else, survival is the key.

    A person going out to dinner and having a drink, a steak, and dessert, is not doing themselves any favors, except their stress level would be pretty low, so there's that. A person going to a fast food restaurant and having the typical burger, diet soda and fries, that person is living in the worst of all worlds, as the acidic content, not to mention the fat and salt, are not their friends, nor is the atmosphere, unless you like that sort of thing. Their cancer is living it up, and busily dividing like nobody's business.

    Knowing and focusing on those foods that are anti angiogenesis(angiogenesis is the establishment of a new blood supply to a growing turmor, without this new blood supply, your cancer cannot grow large enough to do you any damage) is extremely beneficial. Keeping a tumor from establishing a new blood supply is one of, if not the key goal if the objective is to survive, even with cancer.(in the Dietary thread started by Jill is a list of anti angio foods)

    A vegetarian or a person eating very, very little meat, while eating a preponderance of rice, beans, and cheese with a little ice cream and coffee on the side, as I had been when I got cancer, is also not doing themselves any favors. On the other hand if that same person puts the balance of their diet into the vegetable side of the vegetarian diet, with beans, rice and cheese on the side, that would be entirely different and a step in the right direction.

    If I had known then what I know now, I seriously doubt I would find myself in this situation.
  • txtrisha55
    txtrisha55 Member Posts: 693
    Dallas Fort Worth Area - Texas Class
    I looked on the Cancer Project web page and found that there will be classes on November 14 in Hurst, Texas at the Hurst Senior Center. The class is titled: Introduction to How Foods Fight Cancer. Here is the link if in this area.

    http://www.cancerproject.org/resources/classes/cookingClass.cfm?classID=1780

    trish
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458

    Dallas Fort Worth Area - Texas Class
    I looked on the Cancer Project web page and found that there will be classes on November 14 in Hurst, Texas at the Hurst Senior Center. The class is titled: Introduction to How Foods Fight Cancer. Here is the link if in this area.

    http://www.cancerproject.org/resources/classes/cookingClass.cfm?classID=1780

    trish

    Thanks Claudia
    for not shooting me!!!!

    Just a reminder, CHEESE is made from milk (animal product).

    The bottom line for these classes is PLANT based only...and as LITTLE processing as possible. For example, tofu is processed soy - eat soybeans (edemame) instead.

    They do realize that busy people are not always able to cook from scratch so frozen and canned foods are not discouraged. And organic is best but washing non-organic is the next best thing rather than NOT EATING AT ALL.

    I guess common sense can rule!! Eat healthy friends and enjoy a wonderful weekend.

    PS, An exciting side benefit is that my husband is "getting motivated" (his words). He is reading labels and pointed out to me the pumpkin muffins that I bought at Sam's Club (yes, horrors of horrors) had 100 calories each!!! Yeah Rudy!!! I'm taking these to a pot luck on Sat - I probably should throw them out, though.
  • jazzy1
    jazzy1 Member Posts: 1,379
    daisy366 said:

    Thanks Claudia
    for not shooting me!!!!

    Just a reminder, CHEESE is made from milk (animal product).

    The bottom line for these classes is PLANT based only...and as LITTLE processing as possible. For example, tofu is processed soy - eat soybeans (edemame) instead.

    They do realize that busy people are not always able to cook from scratch so frozen and canned foods are not discouraged. And organic is best but washing non-organic is the next best thing rather than NOT EATING AT ALL.

    I guess common sense can rule!! Eat healthy friends and enjoy a wonderful weekend.

    PS, An exciting side benefit is that my husband is "getting motivated" (his words). He is reading labels and pointed out to me the pumpkin muffins that I bought at Sam's Club (yes, horrors of horrors) had 100 calories each!!! Yeah Rudy!!! I'm taking these to a pot luck on Sat - I probably should throw them out, though.

    Mary Ann
    Guess only way my hubbie will get on board, have a diagnosis of a disease such as cancer....think? He's trying, but only when I put it in front of him to eat and offer no other alternative. If I keep the "forbidden" foods in our home, he'll eat it until it's gone...ouchie! One day something might get him, but then again, I've got my own plate to worry about....way too much stress worrying about him as well. I usually try a few jabs about things I read, etc, and some do stick.

    HAPPY EATING...
  • daisy366
    daisy366 Member Posts: 1,458
    jazzy1 said:

    Mary Ann
    Guess only way my hubbie will get on board, have a diagnosis of a disease such as cancer....think? He's trying, but only when I put it in front of him to eat and offer no other alternative. If I keep the "forbidden" foods in our home, he'll eat it until it's gone...ouchie! One day something might get him, but then again, I've got my own plate to worry about....way too much stress worrying about him as well. I usually try a few jabs about things I read, etc, and some do stick.

    HAPPY EATING...

    Jan
    only reason he is changing his thinking (actions slower) is because he's hearing this from someone other that ME!!!!

    I have no delusions, but continue hopeful that "old dogs can learn new tricks"! I'm just glad he agreed to attend this class! Good luck with yours.
  • Fayard
    Fayard Member Posts: 438
    kkstef said:

    Thanks for sharing, Mary Ann
    It is GREAT that your husband is going to your class and hear the info first hand! Husbands some times are like kids....they get "wife deaf".

    I did print off the pages on transitioning to vegetarian as feel that would be a good move. I still eat too much beef, pork and chicken although greatly reduced. Although I don't drink milk I do LOVE cheese! I got some more work to do, obviously!!

    Every time I make kale (in a salad or cooked) it is always so tough. Am thinking I am not doing it right or I have the wrong variety. Any suggestions?

    Happy and healthy eating!

    Karen

    Kale
    Karen

    Do you drink green juices?
    Kale is great for that, the whole leave.

    Also, I cook it with a little of olive oil,chard, spinach and collar greens. I add salt, pepper, powered garlic, onion, and of course turmeric.

    Buena suerte!

    PS: I also buy the green kale, the one that is not curly, and make potato/kale soup.
    Just kale, potatoes, garlic salt and pepper. I remember Claudia mentioning once that some veggies were still good cooked, and I think kale is one of them.
  • Fayard
    Fayard Member Posts: 438
    Fish
    Since you are taking questions, what about eating fish?

    I live in San Diego, CA. There is a Cancer Center at UCSD that offers cooking classes once a month. However, I went once or twice while getting chemo and I was disappointed to see they used chicken and sugar. I never went back.

    Please let us know about sugar, fish and eggs.

    Gracias!
  • kkstef
    kkstef Member Posts: 688
    Fayard said:

    Kale
    Karen

    Do you drink green juices?
    Kale is great for that, the whole leave.

    Also, I cook it with a little of olive oil,chard, spinach and collar greens. I add salt, pepper, powered garlic, onion, and of course turmeric.

    Buena suerte!

    PS: I also buy the green kale, the one that is not curly, and make potato/kale soup.
    Just kale, potatoes, garlic salt and pepper. I remember Claudia mentioning once that some veggies were still good cooked, and I think kale is one of them.

    Fayard
    Thanks for the suggestions. I will keep trying! And now that it is getting chilly, soup is sounding even better! Think I need to remove more of the veins that seem to be tough.

    No, I don't juice but my daughter does and she also mentioned how good the kale was. I have been "thinking" about it but haven't been motivated enough to invest in a juicer yet.

    Thanks!
    Karen
  • jazzy1
    jazzy1 Member Posts: 1,379
    Fayard said:

    Fish
    Since you are taking questions, what about eating fish?

    I live in San Diego, CA. There is a Cancer Center at UCSD that offers cooking classes once a month. However, I went once or twice while getting chemo and I was disappointed to see they used chicken and sugar. I never went back.

    Please let us know about sugar, fish and eggs.

    Gracias!

    Fayard / Fish Options
    I've asked this same question -- what about fish!!! I eat no meat or chicken, but yes some fish. Know we have to look for the pluses -- omega 3's and risks -- MERCURY OR PCB's. The easiest way, print out each of the pocket guides per below links. Carry with you when shopping for fish.....very helpful! If I could get round everything packaged in "plastic" we'd be even better, but not always possible. Do what we can!!

    Fish does give us a good days allotment of protein and if remembering, you were a while back trying to increase your protein intake. How are you doing now? Find some good options?

    Know what you mean about many recipes headlined as "natural" and "good for us"...yeah sure!! By the time I read the ingredients I want to throw them away -- sugar, flour, salt etc. Not my idea of "good for us" recipes.

    http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/download.aspx

    http://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/1980_pocket_seafood_selector.pdf