chemo induced diarrhea and nutrient deficencies

pete43lost_at_sea
pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
edited June 2011 in Colorectal Cancer #1
just some observations about diet and supplements and chemo.

most on chemo get diarrhea which reduces our ability to absorb essential nutrients.
how critical is this deficency to our health, our immune system and our prognosis.

this can be for a few months, 6 months or life long. i would argue that focussed attention to diet, nutrition , supplements and juicing essential to all chemos. particularly life long chemo where deficiencies would be compounded.

the more i read now about diet, nutrition, the function of vitamins, amino acids, minerals, elements etc makes me very very grateful i followed the healthiest diet, supplements and juicing.

i remember well my fight with folfox every fortnight to stay out of ER re diarrhea. the progression onto the naturopathic management of chemo induced diarrhea with probiotics, gut relief powder, and anti diarrheal tonics meant that not only was my gut rebuilt each and everytime i fronted up for the next chemo. the naturopathetic management of diarrhea also meant that drugs to manage diarrhea symptoms that further stress liver could be avoided. these drugs do not heal the stomach and gut they just reduce the symptom of diarrhea by slowing, stopping peristalsis. ie putting the gut to sleep.

the benefit i percieve now in retrospect is that solving diarrhea asap meant that i was giving my body the nutients it needs to heal and fight cancer.

i just started reading about essential amino acids and vitamins. this is an area i am interested in. i have spent a small fortune on supplements and advice. now i am looking up the components in each of the supplements. seeing how they relate, support each other, help the body in so many ways.

maybe one day in the future a study will show this. its my hypothesis that while on one hand our chemo does target
killing many cells, hopefully our crc. but maybe the damage to nutrition, to our immune systems, to our bodies in blood counts means we are not able to fight micro metastasis growth elsewhere. even our ability to self heal other chemo side effects like peripheral neuropathy, liver damage etcc etc etc maybe reduced. meaning our quality of life, length of life post chemo and surgery is reduced.

maybe all the effort, time, expense on diet , juicing and supplements provides 0% benefit.
i have made the investment, if i get 0.5% survival benefit i'll be happy. in fact i am happy that i explored every opportunity to enhance my survival odds at each step of the journey even if it turns out to be 0% benefit. but say if its 2%, well its goodnews for me. in practice it could mean 2 more friends here per year for life. csn will need to get bigger servers if thats the case.

its just now i have the time to look back, do retrospective research about what i was taking and why. i am grateful i had experts helping me. what i did well was find the experts and get the best advice and care out of them.

good health to all. i don't want anyone to feel pressured, we all do the best we can
on this journey, at each step along the road.

hugs,
pete

ps if your interested in this area refer to books like anticancer, eat to live.
it leads into this area at a general level.
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Comments

  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625
    minerals deficiency
    My naturopath said that any kind of diarrhea causes a mineral and nutrient depletion in the body. Mineral depletion is linked to bone and joint pain. It's no wonder that so many people on chemo start experiencing bone pain and arthritis like pain in their joints. For some it could actually be arthritis, but for many it is actually due to having a mineral depletion. I experienced terrible joint pain, was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and the test came back negative. Drs. didn't know how to help me or what the pain was from. One rheumatologist I saw told me it was probably just from my chemo, but he didn't know what to do for me other than have me take ibuprofen for the pain.
    Lo and behold fast forward to this past February when I first started going to my naturopath- I've been on minerals supplements & no more joint or bone pain!!! If only "regular" doctors knew this- think how many people could be helped!

    Lisa
  • luvmum
    luvmum Member Posts: 457
    advice
    Dear pete,

    Do you mind sending me a private message about what to eat? As you said in my message, it's hard to change my mum's diet. I have almost given up on pushing her to eat properly. She has been on 'rice diet' in the last couple of weeks. She is definitely lacking nutrient at the moment. But I don't know how to get her eat more. Oh well, at least I make her eat different types of fruits for breakfast.

    Thanks and best wishes,
    Dora
  • luvmum
    luvmum Member Posts: 457
    lisa42 said:

    minerals deficiency
    My naturopath said that any kind of diarrhea causes a mineral and nutrient depletion in the body. Mineral depletion is linked to bone and joint pain. It's no wonder that so many people on chemo start experiencing bone pain and arthritis like pain in their joints. For some it could actually be arthritis, but for many it is actually due to having a mineral depletion. I experienced terrible joint pain, was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and the test came back negative. Drs. didn't know how to help me or what the pain was from. One rheumatologist I saw told me it was probably just from my chemo, but he didn't know what to do for me other than have me take ibuprofen for the pain.
    Lo and behold fast forward to this past February when I first started going to my naturopath- I've been on minerals supplements & no more joint or bone pain!!! If only "regular" doctors knew this- think how many people could be helped!

    Lisa

    Dear lisa
    My mum is also experiencing joint pain and bone pain. I thought it was due to the weather change and humidity...

    do you mind telling me what kind of minerals are you taking?

    Thanks a lot and love
    Dora
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    luvmum said:

    advice
    Dear pete,

    Do you mind sending me a private message about what to eat? As you said in my message, it's hard to change my mum's diet. I have almost given up on pushing her to eat properly. She has been on 'rice diet' in the last couple of weeks. She is definitely lacking nutrient at the moment. But I don't know how to get her eat more. Oh well, at least I make her eat different types of fruits for breakfast.

    Thanks and best wishes,
    Dora

    dear dora
    oh dora,

    i wish i could be of more help but i am only comfortable telling my own story and experimenting on me, not anyone else. that said i hope the comments below help.

    i can tell you what my diet is, but honestly see a good naturopath who has a nutrition focus. you need specific advice for you mum, everyone has there own issues and history. so get some excellent nutrition advice from a local caring expert. now reading the books is a starting point. just do your best and remember to breathe and relax and eat well yourself.

    my number one anticancer rule is not to stress. not always easy to follow but i try.

    my general diet advice i follow is lots of fruit and veg and low protien with fish, eggs, chicken and weekly red meat like kangeroo or wagu beef for a treat. almost no diary except for good probiotic yogurts that i have with wild berry's mixed in. and then vege juices with carrot, beetroot and celery as the base with brocolli, spinach, brussel sprouts. almost anything green gets added randomly. i also add a glove of garlicm, some ginger and tumeric. sometimes i throw in a pear, kiwi fruit, apple or orange. i almost always add lemon and or lime to the juice. i have a juice once to twice a day.

    i try to have a couple of vegetarian days a week.

    most days now i have a whey protien shake with a free range egg for breakfast.

    you are so caring, your mum lack of appetite is probably a response to chemo, its normal.
    just read lots and learn. find whats best for you and your mum, that available and practical for you.

    love, and hugs,
    pete
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    lisa42 said:

    minerals deficiency
    My naturopath said that any kind of diarrhea causes a mineral and nutrient depletion in the body. Mineral depletion is linked to bone and joint pain. It's no wonder that so many people on chemo start experiencing bone pain and arthritis like pain in their joints. For some it could actually be arthritis, but for many it is actually due to having a mineral depletion. I experienced terrible joint pain, was tested for rheumatoid arthritis and the test came back negative. Drs. didn't know how to help me or what the pain was from. One rheumatologist I saw told me it was probably just from my chemo, but he didn't know what to do for me other than have me take ibuprofen for the pain.
    Lo and behold fast forward to this past February when I first started going to my naturopath- I've been on minerals supplements & no more joint or bone pain!!! If only "regular" doctors knew this- think how many people could be helped!

    Lisa

    how many could be helped ? NOT ENOUGH
    dear lisa,

    at least you and me and a few others.

    the doctors will never get into this i fear.

    but the help is there for those open to the idea,

    its what gives me hope. we can discuss it hear in kind of a relaxed and not pushy way.

    its just our views our treatment, people can then do nothing or whatever they like.

    i appreciated you comments re minerals, it took about a minute for it to help dora.

    so thanks ever so much.

    love and hugs,
    pete
  • thingy45
    thingy45 Member Posts: 632

    dear dora
    oh dora,

    i wish i could be of more help but i am only comfortable telling my own story and experimenting on me, not anyone else. that said i hope the comments below help.

    i can tell you what my diet is, but honestly see a good naturopath who has a nutrition focus. you need specific advice for you mum, everyone has there own issues and history. so get some excellent nutrition advice from a local caring expert. now reading the books is a starting point. just do your best and remember to breathe and relax and eat well yourself.

    my number one anticancer rule is not to stress. not always easy to follow but i try.

    my general diet advice i follow is lots of fruit and veg and low protien with fish, eggs, chicken and weekly red meat like kangeroo or wagu beef for a treat. almost no diary except for good probiotic yogurts that i have with wild berry's mixed in. and then vege juices with carrot, beetroot and celery as the base with brocolli, spinach, brussel sprouts. almost anything green gets added randomly. i also add a glove of garlicm, some ginger and tumeric. sometimes i throw in a pear, kiwi fruit, apple or orange. i almost always add lemon and or lime to the juice. i have a juice once to twice a day.

    i try to have a couple of vegetarian days a week.

    most days now i have a whey protien shake with a free range egg for breakfast.

    you are so caring, your mum lack of appetite is probably a response to chemo, its normal.
    just read lots and learn. find whats best for you and your mum, that available and practical for you.

    love, and hugs,
    pete

    Hi Pete, I am seeing a
    Hi Pete, I am seeing a Naturopath tomorrow. When I mentioned this to my Onc, he frowned. My sun in law works with a supplement comp. named Popeyes, here in Alberta and had me on protein powders and CLA for a fatty liver even before my operation. I feel that is why I bounced back so fast. Except for the cancer I was in good shape.My GP is al for it, but he is a young guy.
    I like to be as healthy as I can be for as long as I can be. Strong minds also make strong bodies when something like this happens.
    I drink Almond milk when necessary. Like you I throw anything available in the juice. Asperagus are anti cancer so often a few pieces are going in as well and then a scoop of protein powder. We can only try.
    Thanks for al your info and knowledge you are sharing. We all have to take it one day at the time.
    Hugs,
    Marjan

    You never walk alone.
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642
    thingy45 said:

    Hi Pete, I am seeing a
    Hi Pete, I am seeing a Naturopath tomorrow. When I mentioned this to my Onc, he frowned. My sun in law works with a supplement comp. named Popeyes, here in Alberta and had me on protein powders and CLA for a fatty liver even before my operation. I feel that is why I bounced back so fast. Except for the cancer I was in good shape.My GP is al for it, but he is a young guy.
    I like to be as healthy as I can be for as long as I can be. Strong minds also make strong bodies when something like this happens.
    I drink Almond milk when necessary. Like you I throw anything available in the juice. Asperagus are anti cancer so often a few pieces are going in as well and then a scoop of protein powder. We can only try.
    Thanks for al your info and knowledge you are sharing. We all have to take it one day at the time.
    Hugs,
    Marjan

    You never walk alone.

    Nutrients and Chemotherapy
    Hi all: I'm glad you started this discussion thread, Pete. It is something I'm becoming more and more obsessed about too, given that I've had almost constant diarrhea (especially from the irenotecan) and some neuropathy (from the oxaliplatin) since starting my 2nd round of treatment May 1. I should add that I'd already done 6 months of cisplatin, another platinum based chemical) Sept to Jan/11 which means I'm piling on more chemicals to that (but I didn't have any problems then). Anyways, here's a funny thing - my oncologist will let me have vitamin pills but vitamin only, no minerals. Who knows for what reason. But I sneak in the calcium and magnesium now and did a whole bunch of minerals before chemo started. Let's face it - those chemicals are nasty nasty nasty and of course are having a terrible effect on our bodies. I am trying to eat as healthily as I can with this augmenting the "white" BRAT diet when I can with healthy options - berries, veggies, a smoothie made with good whey protein powder (Costco's is pretty good and cheaper than most), L-Glutamine, Alpha Linoleic Acid. If something makes me sick, well, won't eat it but there are lots of options. I avoid dairy as I'm allergic to milk proteins but do sneak in a piece of cheese now and again (share it with my dog Charlotte). My most important person on my cancer team is the dietician! Here in London, ON there are several supposedly good naturopaths that treat cancer patients on chemo concurrently - I'm going to track one down.
    To me, it only makes sense - if your body isn't getting what it needs nutrient-wise, how on earth is it going to work with the chemo and fight the cancer. Why are oncologists not into this???????? Do they want us to be sick as that is some measure of something???????

    Are you an Australian, Pete? I am newish to this discussion board and just noted your meat choice. If so, I've been in Australia several times birdwatching. Wonderful place! A graduate student of mine did his PHD there and stayed (in Townsville). I spend a bit of time in Tasmania. A paradise on earth. Even saw a tasmanian devil although they are declining fast with that horrid jaw disease.

    Cheryl
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625
    luvmum said:

    Dear lisa
    My mum is also experiencing joint pain and bone pain. I thought it was due to the weather change and humidity...

    do you mind telling me what kind of minerals are you taking?

    Thanks a lot and love
    Dora

    Dora, re minerals
    Hi Dora,

    The minerals I'm taking are this: 4 potassium capsules (175 mg each- take 2 in am & 2 in pm), 4 calcium orotate pills daily (740 mg of calcium orotate & 85 mg of elemental calcium in each pill- 2 in am & 2 in pm), 4 Mycropryl tablets (contains 360 mg calcium, 180 mg of magnesium, 4.1 g of caprylic acid in each tablet- also 2 in am & 2 in pm), 2 "Reacted Multimin" capsules (1 in am & 1 in pm- contains calcium, magnesium, zinc, selenium, copper, manganase, chromium, molybdenum, & potassium), 4 Kona Gold capsules/day (2 am & 2 pm- this is sea mineral salts- contains 30 IU of D-3, 100 mg calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, deep sea trace mineral concentrate, fumaric acid, & malic acid).
    Note that minerals absorb best on an empty stomach.

    If all of these are too overwhelming, I'd start with the potassium, calcium, & magnesium. Magnesium is important, but be careful as too much can cause diahrrea. Re the calcium, calcium orotate is the most highly absorbable form of calcium, but it's hard to find. The second most absorbable form is calcium citrate. Don't bother with calcium carbonate- I'm told by my ND that only about 30% of that form is absorbed by the body.

    Best wishes! You mentioned in your pm that it would be hard to find certain supplements where you are. You can always order these online. Best wishes!

    Lisa
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    westie66 said:

    Nutrients and Chemotherapy
    Hi all: I'm glad you started this discussion thread, Pete. It is something I'm becoming more and more obsessed about too, given that I've had almost constant diarrhea (especially from the irenotecan) and some neuropathy (from the oxaliplatin) since starting my 2nd round of treatment May 1. I should add that I'd already done 6 months of cisplatin, another platinum based chemical) Sept to Jan/11 which means I'm piling on more chemicals to that (but I didn't have any problems then). Anyways, here's a funny thing - my oncologist will let me have vitamin pills but vitamin only, no minerals. Who knows for what reason. But I sneak in the calcium and magnesium now and did a whole bunch of minerals before chemo started. Let's face it - those chemicals are nasty nasty nasty and of course are having a terrible effect on our bodies. I am trying to eat as healthily as I can with this augmenting the "white" BRAT diet when I can with healthy options - berries, veggies, a smoothie made with good whey protein powder (Costco's is pretty good and cheaper than most), L-Glutamine, Alpha Linoleic Acid. If something makes me sick, well, won't eat it but there are lots of options. I avoid dairy as I'm allergic to milk proteins but do sneak in a piece of cheese now and again (share it with my dog Charlotte). My most important person on my cancer team is the dietician! Here in London, ON there are several supposedly good naturopaths that treat cancer patients on chemo concurrently - I'm going to track one down.
    To me, it only makes sense - if your body isn't getting what it needs nutrient-wise, how on earth is it going to work with the chemo and fight the cancer. Why are oncologists not into this???????? Do they want us to be sick as that is some measure of something???????

    Are you an Australian, Pete? I am newish to this discussion board and just noted your meat choice. If so, I've been in Australia several times birdwatching. Wonderful place! A graduate student of mine did his PHD there and stayed (in Townsville). I spend a bit of time in Tasmania. A paradise on earth. Even saw a tasmanian devil although they are declining fast with that horrid jaw disease.

    Cheryl

    i am an aussie
    hi cheryl,

    not many into supplements and nutrition, it just great to have some like minded folk to
    bounce these ideas around. of course we still love our skepictal friends here.

    more than one way to skin a cat.

    go to a couple of the best naturopaths and then pick your favourite.
    the tassy devils are sad.

    i love london.

    hugs,

    pete
  • Kathleen808
    Kathleen808 Member Posts: 2,342 Member
    Hi Pete
    Hi Pete,
    I love reading your posts. You are doing a great job educating yourself. **** had and appointment with the naturalpath tomorrow but had to have it changed due to port problems and chemo delay.
    What did you do specifically for the diarrhea? **** is taking a probiotic, Vitamin D and Milk Thistle. Diarrhea is still a problem and yes his joints hurt. But, as you know **** continues to hike, surf, paddle, work out at the gym, boat.... anything to keep moving.

    Lisa I read your list, thanks!

    Thank you.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900

    Hi Pete
    Hi Pete,
    I love reading your posts. You are doing a great job educating yourself. **** had and appointment with the naturalpath tomorrow but had to have it changed due to port problems and chemo delay.
    What did you do specifically for the diarrhea? **** is taking a probiotic, Vitamin D and Milk Thistle. Diarrhea is still a problem and yes his joints hurt. But, as you know **** continues to hike, surf, paddle, work out at the gym, boat.... anything to keep moving.

    Lisa I read your list, thanks!

    Thank you.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    goodluck at naturopath
    dear kathleen,

    give **** my best wishes.

    so the naturopathic anti diarrhea solution was.
    1.ultra 45 probiotic very expensive but effective see old post 2 twice per day morning and
    night 5 min before slippery elmn.
    2.slippery elm powder 3 times a day 20 minutes before meals
    3. orthoplex def digestive enzyme 2 tab morning and night
    4. anti diarrheal tonic naturopathic mix each fortnight to suit my gut. take up 4 times a day after loose bag.

    also i backed off pro diarrheal foods like strong veg juice
    and picked up banana and basmartti rice (LOW GI) from BRAT.
    around this i had a pretty healthy diet and many other supplements to help
    with my chemo.

    first thing in the morning top class probiotic on the tongue, let it dissolve in your mouth and get the good bacteria working from the mouth , down the throat , stomach, intestines. then follow with slippery elm.

    ask your naturopath what he thinks about this, its straight from "a quest for life" by petria king top naturopath that runs week long seminar about cancer that i went to.

    i owe my current good health to her. she is a marvellous passionate lady.

    hugs,
    pete
  • Kathleen808
    Kathleen808 Member Posts: 2,342 Member

    goodluck at naturopath
    dear kathleen,

    give **** my best wishes.

    so the naturopathic anti diarrhea solution was.
    1.ultra 45 probiotic very expensive but effective see old post 2 twice per day morning and
    night 5 min before slippery elmn.
    2.slippery elm powder 3 times a day 20 minutes before meals
    3. orthoplex def digestive enzyme 2 tab morning and night
    4. anti diarrheal tonic naturopathic mix each fortnight to suit my gut. take up 4 times a day after loose bag.

    also i backed off pro diarrheal foods like strong veg juice
    and picked up banana and basmartti rice (LOW GI) from BRAT.
    around this i had a pretty healthy diet and many other supplements to help
    with my chemo.

    first thing in the morning top class probiotic on the tongue, let it dissolve in your mouth and get the good bacteria working from the mouth , down the throat , stomach, intestines. then follow with slippery elm.

    ask your naturopath what he thinks about this, its straight from "a quest for life" by petria king top naturopath that runs week long seminar about cancer that i went to.

    i owe my current good health to her. she is a marvellous passionate lady.

    hugs,
    pete

    Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete. You are wonderful to share what you have learned.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen
  • Betsydoglover
    Betsydoglover Member Posts: 1,248
    lisa42 said:

    Dora, re minerals
    Hi Dora,

    The minerals I'm taking are this: 4 potassium capsules (175 mg each- take 2 in am & 2 in pm), 4 calcium orotate pills daily (740 mg of calcium orotate & 85 mg of elemental calcium in each pill- 2 in am & 2 in pm), 4 Mycropryl tablets (contains 360 mg calcium, 180 mg of magnesium, 4.1 g of caprylic acid in each tablet- also 2 in am & 2 in pm), 2 "Reacted Multimin" capsules (1 in am & 1 in pm- contains calcium, magnesium, zinc, selenium, copper, manganase, chromium, molybdenum, & potassium), 4 Kona Gold capsules/day (2 am & 2 pm- this is sea mineral salts- contains 30 IU of D-3, 100 mg calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, deep sea trace mineral concentrate, fumaric acid, & malic acid).
    Note that minerals absorb best on an empty stomach.

    If all of these are too overwhelming, I'd start with the potassium, calcium, & magnesium. Magnesium is important, but be careful as too much can cause diahrrea. Re the calcium, calcium orotate is the most highly absorbable form of calcium, but it's hard to find. The second most absorbable form is calcium citrate. Don't bother with calcium carbonate- I'm told by my ND that only about 30% of that form is absorbed by the body.

    Best wishes! You mentioned in your pm that it would be hard to find certain supplements where you are. You can always order these online. Best wishes!

    Lisa

    Minerals for Joint Pain
    Hi Lisa - I'm so glad this has worked for you.

    I also have osteoarthritis, so not sure it would. I do take calcium and magnesium.

    I would caution people to look at their blood work (comprehensive metabolic panel) and check their potassium levels before going gung ho with potassium supplements. Low potassium is bad, but high potassium can result in heart attacks. My CMP (every 3 weeks) shows normal potassium (but high normal). Supplementing potassium could easily send me into an elevated range which can be serious. So, please have a look at blood work before supplementing potassium.

    P.S. If you google calcium orotate, there are several internet sources.
  • SisterSledge
    SisterSledge Member Posts: 332
    L-glutamine
    I have had a hard time finding this substance...paid $20 at GNC, only place so far. Did a search on Google to find more resources for it and came across this article that warns against using glutamine: http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/630113/main.html Scientists Spot How Sugar 'Feeds' Tumors

    The article is two years old and doesn't give much info...just enough to raise questions...
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642

    i am an aussie
    hi cheryl,

    not many into supplements and nutrition, it just great to have some like minded folk to
    bounce these ideas around. of course we still love our skepictal friends here.

    more than one way to skin a cat.

    go to a couple of the best naturopaths and then pick your favourite.
    the tassy devils are sad.

    i love london.

    hugs,

    pete

    London Ontario
    Unfortunately! I lived in London England for several years in the 1960's and 1970's but now it is London Ontario (I am even on the Thames River!).
    Cheryl
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642

    L-glutamine
    I have had a hard time finding this substance...paid $20 at GNC, only place so far. Did a search on Google to find more resources for it and came across this article that warns against using glutamine: http://www.healthscout.com/news/1/630113/main.html Scientists Spot How Sugar 'Feeds' Tumors

    The article is two years old and doesn't give much info...just enough to raise questions...

    L-Glutamine
    Hi SisterSledge: Oh no. I'll read the article. The one I am taking is a powder, cost about $20 but is a big tin, and is "fermented L-Glutamine". I have no idea if "fermented" makes a difference or not but the health food guy said it did (but never told me why!). I take 5 grams a day. It does seem to help as I haven't had more neuropathy since taking it. I also take the alpha lino..... on an empty stomach. Now if only I could get rid of the diarrhea - my blood pressure today was only 100/50 and I am apparently getting a bit dehydrated.
    Cheryl
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    westie66 said:

    L-Glutamine
    Hi SisterSledge: Oh no. I'll read the article. The one I am taking is a powder, cost about $20 but is a big tin, and is "fermented L-Glutamine". I have no idea if "fermented" makes a difference or not but the health food guy said it did (but never told me why!). I take 5 grams a day. It does seem to help as I haven't had more neuropathy since taking it. I also take the alpha lino..... on an empty stomach. Now if only I could get rid of the diarrhea - my blood pressure today was only 100/50 and I am apparently getting a bit dehydrated.
    Cheryl

    this gut relief powder has a good combo of ingredients
    my naturopath recommended this as a part of my diarrhea treatment while on chemo.goodluck, fixing diarrhea was my number one priority.


    http://www.purehealthdirect.com/products/products_details.php?products_id=2376
    Active Ingredients in Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Ingredient Qty
    Aloe barbadensis .5 mg/g
    Curcumin .6074 mg/g
    Glucosamine hydrochloride 100 mg/g
    Glutamine 500 mg/g
    Guar Gum 20 mg/g
    Pectin 20 mg/g
    Peppermint Oil 600 microgram/g
    Quercetin 40 mg/g
    Sodium phosphate - dibasic 52 mg/g
    Ulmus rubra 100 mg/g

    Specific Indications for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Aids in maintenance and repair of mucous membranes

    Natural relief of symptoms of medically diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome and natural relief for the bloating, abdominal pain, cramping and discomfort associated with irritable bowel syndrome

    Relief of muscular aches and pains in the gut
    Soothe and protect the gastro intestinal tract
    Suitable for assisting upper and lower gastro intestinal health
    Supports gastro intestinal health
    Warnings (TGA) for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900

    Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete. You are wonderful to share what you have learned.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    thanks oops
    left out gut relief powder to help diarrhea.

    http://www.purehealthdirect.com/products/products_details.php?products_id=2376
    Active Ingredients in Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Ingredient Qty
    Aloe barbadensis .5 mg/g
    Curcumin .6074 mg/g
    Glucosamine hydrochloride 100 mg/g
    Glutamine 500 mg/g
    Guar Gum 20 mg/g
    Pectin 20 mg/g
    Peppermint Oil 600 microgram/g
    Quercetin 40 mg/g
    Sodium phosphate - dibasic 52 mg/g
    Ulmus rubra 100 mg/g

    Specific Indications for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Aids in maintenance and repair of mucous membranes

    Natural relief of symptoms of medically diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome and natural relief for the bloating, abdominal pain, cramping and discomfort associated with irritable bowel syndrome

    Relief of muscular aches and pains in the gut
    Soothe and protect the gastro intestinal tract
    Suitable for assisting upper and lower gastro intestinal health
    Supports gastro intestinal health
    Warnings (TGA) for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
  • thxmiker
    thxmiker Member Posts: 1,278

    this gut relief powder has a good combo of ingredients
    my naturopath recommended this as a part of my diarrhea treatment while on chemo.goodluck, fixing diarrhea was my number one priority.


    http://www.purehealthdirect.com/products/products_details.php?products_id=2376
    Active Ingredients in Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Ingredient Qty
    Aloe barbadensis .5 mg/g
    Curcumin .6074 mg/g
    Glucosamine hydrochloride 100 mg/g
    Glutamine 500 mg/g
    Guar Gum 20 mg/g
    Pectin 20 mg/g
    Peppermint Oil 600 microgram/g
    Quercetin 40 mg/g
    Sodium phosphate - dibasic 52 mg/g
    Ulmus rubra 100 mg/g

    Specific Indications for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care
    Aids in maintenance and repair of mucous membranes

    Natural relief of symptoms of medically diagnosed irritable bowel syndrome and natural relief for the bloating, abdominal pain, cramping and discomfort associated with irritable bowel syndrome

    Relief of muscular aches and pains in the gut
    Soothe and protect the gastro intestinal tract
    Suitable for assisting upper and lower gastro intestinal health
    Supports gastro intestinal health
    Warnings (TGA) for Gut Relief by Nutrition Care

    We went on the Zone Diet
    We went on the Zone Diet previous to my second diagnosis with cancer.

    After surgery and my third stay in the hospital, my Doctor suggested for me to read about a low residue diet. The low residue diet is compatible with the Zone Diet except that all food be slightly cooked for low residue. This helped me with the diarrhea. It also made sense for the ease of digestion. When the diarrhea was bad I drank a lot of vegetable juice(s). These made me feel better. I found my body craved what I needed. Low vitamin K, I wanted to eat bananas, etc... The only issue I had was citrus. I wanted it and needed it, but citrus was really difficult for the acidic reasons. I cried many times on the toilet because of the burn, and my sheer love of citrus betraying my hind quarters pain. (Nuprecanal and Baby wipes saved me!)

    Best Always, mike
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    thxmiker said:

    We went on the Zone Diet
    We went on the Zone Diet previous to my second diagnosis with cancer.

    After surgery and my third stay in the hospital, my Doctor suggested for me to read about a low residue diet. The low residue diet is compatible with the Zone Diet except that all food be slightly cooked for low residue. This helped me with the diarrhea. It also made sense for the ease of digestion. When the diarrhea was bad I drank a lot of vegetable juice(s). These made me feel better. I found my body craved what I needed. Low vitamin K, I wanted to eat bananas, etc... The only issue I had was citrus. I wanted it and needed it, but citrus was really difficult for the acidic reasons. I cried many times on the toilet because of the burn, and my sheer love of citrus betraying my hind quarters pain. (Nuprecanal and Baby wipes saved me!)

    Best Always, mike

    thanks mike
    i'll checkout the zone diet.
    the pain is pretty extreme at times.
    i am hooked on the wipes AS WELL.

    hugs,
    pete