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Integrative Medicine why not ? lecture at md anderson UPDATED added video, best 60min i have seen.

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i just found this transcript of an interesting lecture, we can make a difference to our journey. this authors book has been discussed here by myself and others who are interested in improving upon traditional outcomes. i hope you like the post, the lecture and the book. i read it months ago, it gave me great hope. the lecture is a good recap.

hugs,
pete
"the glass is half full. Always"

an excellent video on same subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDt3AJQ98c
watch usa weight explosion year by year. amazing and scary!

the full lecture here
http://www.mdanderson.org/transcripts/current-topics-on-oncology/2009/anticancer-transcript.html

Copy of intro by director MD anderson.
Lorenzo Cohen, M.D.:
Hello, good evening. My name is Lorenzo Cohen. I'm Director of the Integrative Medicine Program here at M. D. Anderson. And I'm so pleased to see so many of you here for this evening's event.

Dr. Servan-Schreiber is a dedicated scientist and doctor, acclaimed author in cancer survivor. He's a clinical professor of psychiatry and co-founder for the Center for Integrative Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. He received his MD from Laval University in Canada, and then went on and did residency training in Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic in Pittsburgh. He's also received a PhD in neuroscience from Carnegie Mellon University. He's a founding member of the organization Doctors without Borders, and I assume most of you are aware of the critical worth of that organization has done around the world. His book "AntiCancer: A New Way of Life" was inspired during his personal battle with brain cancer. When Dr. Servan-Schreiber was diagnosed with brain cancer, it changed his life. Confronting what medicine knows about illness, the little known workings of the body, and natural cancer fighting capabilities, and his own will to live, he found himself on a 15-year journey from disease and relapse into scientific exploration and finally to health. “AntiCancer” is a story of one doctor's inner and outer search for healing through discussion of the environment, lifestyle, and trauma. The core of his book is that cells lie dormant in all of us, and we all must care for that terrain in which they exit. The book has rightly received much attention. It has been translated into over 33 languages with over a million copies in print.

Recently when I was describing the Integrative Medicine Program to somebody, they said to me, "You know, you really should write a book about this." And I said, "Dr. Servan-Schreiber has already written that book." Dr. Servan-Schreiber's book is something we recommend to all of our patients to read. I recommend it to all of my family members to read and everyone I know because we will learn about cancer prevention and how to lead a healthy and fulfilling life.

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Yahoo- I wish so many others wouldn't feel like we're clobbering them over the head by continuing suggesting for them to do alternatives/integrative medicine/holistic healthcare (or whatever you want to call it!) in addition to traditional treatments. I know that when I was first diagnosed (will be 4 yrs ago in August), I was not receptive to anything considered "alternative" either & really didn't want to hear from people. But, when I got to the three year point of doing chemo, well I really started thinking hard about it & I remembered lots of what a few of "those people" had told me before & started researching more on my own. Wish I had started this alternative path a while ago, but am glad that at least I'm doing it now. Thanks, Pete!

Lisa

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hi lisa,
i thought its been a while and we have some new semi colons here now.
life on the edge has a certain charm.
i find it, i like it, i share it.
i hope and pray those pesky tumours shrink and die.
hugs,
pete
ps don't tell anyone else!
http://margaret.healthblogs.org/life-with-myeloma/discovery-of-curcumin/
i hope this is as good for you as it was for me. lots to read here.

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If you do some research on Weston Price it might interest you as well. Also have you read Beating Cancer with Nutrition By Patrick Quillin? I use it as a reference often.
Erin

I still haven't read anticancer, but if it is in the library this week I will check it out.

By the way Pete, I am glad you are feeling better and getting some rest.

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hi erin,

don't worry about the book just read the whole lecture, its almost as good. i have a video of the lecture link somewhere, will post it when i find it.

i looked at weston price and have it bookmarked thanks. not read beating cancer by quillin, but will try oneday. my reading list is more spiritual and soon one the theory and practice of triathlons. i can walk and swim ok, I just have to work on riding.
thanks for the kind wishes as well.

hugs,
pete

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There's not one reason why we have cancer so why would there be one way to cure or manage cancer? The only time that I think it gets to be a problem is when someone claims to know all the answers and what is best for everyone. Very similar to the what happens with the religion posts. I'm not suggesting that is what is happening now, I think it just happens because of people's passions.

As we all know, there is no one way to deal with cancer. There can be two identical situations and treatments yet two totally different outcomes. I think that is part of why it's such a tough nut to crack.

I know for myself that if my approach to dealing with cancer (traditional chemo) stopped working that I would explore other options just as I imagine if people who were trying the alternatives found they were not helping that they would consider chemo. You do what you need to do and be comfortable with your decision.
-p

I also believe that pigs can fly and that the tooth fairy lives on the next street over from me ;-)

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Sensible as always, Phil. And I LOVE your avatar! *L*

*hugs*
Gail

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It is really common sense which so many people have lost sight of.

The China Study goes into great detail to look at the pathologies related to diet and came up the same conclusions. MOst cancer diet related books all now say mostly the same thing.

How we can expect to fix the cancer without fixing the 'terrain' as you say Pete is the standard MO unfortunatley "Give me something to fix the cancer Doc". The subsequent roller coaster of then patching up we damaged people is a tragedy.

Keep the information coming Pete and hopefully newcomers learn faster than we did.

Scam

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dear scam,

what's common sense? is it the sense of the common.
keep it quiet, we are in the minority still.

What Prof. Aggarwal (tumeric science guru) says about cancer prevention.

"If we continue to prevent and treat cancer the way we are currently doing and have been doing for the past 50 years, the next 50 years will not be any different. We have to learn to think outside the box. We have put too much emphasis on survival of the pharmaceutical companies and not enough focus on the survival of the patients. "

the question i asked my onc was "what can i do to help my chances?" now my onc said i have all the answers and just do exactly as i say. well i have been getting into trouble my entire life so why should i starting being obedient now. i followed her core advice and trusted my research and reading.

if we help one newcomer i will be happy.

hugs,
pete

ps http://margaret.healthblogs.org/life-with-myeloma/discovery-of-curcumin/
don't tell anyone else about this

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and "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game."

I have to disagree with what Prof. Aggarwal's comment "If we continue to prevent and treat cancer the way we are currently doing and have been doing for the past 50 years, the next 50 years will not be any different. We have to learn to think outside the box." What I have seen in the past 7 years have helped me enormously. Avastin was approved right after my dx and that shrunk the tumors in my liver so I could be operated on, and Erbitux came out and has kept things under control. Many positive things have taken place, certainly within the past 50 years. True, there is a lot of money to be made and the pharmaceutical companies are profit driven. I do think they could do more and explore other avenues for treatment. It's common sense to try to lower your chances of developing cancer by eating better, not smoking, checkups to name just a few. Those are "common sense" things that many people do not do for what ever reason, hence the above quote.

Your onc really said that he has all of the answers and you should do exactly as he says? I must be the exception to much of what I read on here. My onc does not think she knows it all by any means. She has been a pioneer in HAI therapy and has helped so many people so there's proof that much of what she does can help many people. Sure there are quacks out there in all fields.

I have similar feelings about helping people. There are many ways to fight cancer. Choose wisely because often what you do first has a major affect on the rest of one's fight. I'm very happy with the choices I've made. Thank the powers that be that the R&D was done to develop those meds that helped me.
-phil

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phil,

I owe my life modern medicine also. I too am grateful for all the benefits of my treatments so far. t4 tumour shrunk rad/chemo and excised by great surgeons, six month folfox and now reversal, hernia repair and a cocktail of antibiotics. i am personally using and benefiting from the best of modern medicine in many areas.

my top onc is alternative shy, not supportive at all. however she is pioneering on chemos, but not alternatives which is fair. after all she got me onto folfox when the stand here is just 5fu. still my alternative advisors ie naturopaths, TCM etc have helped with diarrhea, neuropathy and well being.

choose wisely ? great advice. maybe its how CSN community can help with reading info. Its just a lecture but it holds many truths for me , thats all. I have apreciated this discussion and am glad you are happy with you choices. its taken 3 hours to download the video, i am watching it now.

thanks,
Pete

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hi phillieg,

we can be passionate, open minded and caring for ourselves and our friends here, i wanted to share this authors own summary, it was so much better than my summary a couple of months ago. just found it today.

we are all different, different diagnoses, different circumstances, different life experiences, we have different approaches, now different choices of cancer treatments from integrative to traditional to whatever.

i wish some centers here had what you guys have access to like md anderson, they have open enquiring minds, which i presume helps them be a leader. I am glad i have peiced together a protocol so similar to"anticancer" book. The book really took the pressure away knowing i was not going it alone but that so many of my gambles on my treatment are actually what he recommends.

I respect everyones right to make their own judgements re treatment, just like i have myself. The author is a passionate survivor and MD, his lecture i enjoyed reading. i kind of had forgetten most of the studies and stories and just remembered the main messages, so rereading the lecture was good revision for me. I hope the lecture is simply presented here as an example of one man's cancer fight and his reasons. i find them compelling.

we have talked about fear and choices here many times and the idea of exploring other options when your chosen option is deemed failing, i hope we all have the courage required to explore. now hopefully for many of us, it will not be needed.

we have lots of new semi colons here recently and i found this lecture today and i primarily thought of them, not trying to teach any old dogs new tricks or be disrespectful of anyones treatment choices. I liked your response it was balanced and fair and polite.

sincere thanks,
pete

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Hello Everyone, Hello Pete

I am just finding the discussion board after finishing Folfox but I want to share how meditation and using the relaxation response worked for me instead of antinausea drugs.

Having my children in the early 70's using relaxation response worked with two sons weighing 9 lbs and 9.8 lbs. Having used the relaxation response through the years at the dentist and doctor when taking immunizations or doing blood tests, I decided I would give it a try. The Cancer Information Center at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN had sound CD's teaching the relaxation, meditation, and the healing benefits as a integrative approach with chemo. For those who view Eastern Medicine as not consistent with the Christian Faith they have a Christian Meditative CD that connects you with God, your inner spirit and visualizing God with the healing power of the sun in a beautiful nature scene where one feels Gods healing power and rejuvenates your soul.

They also have the traditional cd teaching relaxation, meditation, imaging and focal points, for those who have used the relaxation response.

I shared with the Nurse at the Mayo Cancer Information Center how I had been using the relaxation response with small amounts of food with no spices; rice, chicken, mash potatoes for those 3-5 days in treatment instead of taking anti-nausea medication while on the 5Fu Pump and she shared that I needed as part of my Surveillance Plan to step it up a notch and do Tai Chi or Chi Gong.

So now I am trying to do a few minutes each morning of Tai Chi which is very similar to Yoga and find that I feel more positive, and can sleep better at night. Online I found one could invest a great deal of money but instead I found some really nice VHS Tapes called AM and PM Tai Chi at Goodwilll and they work great for me.

SO a good Surveillance Plan should include, Your Medical Team, a Healthy Diet, Exercise and Prayer and/or Tai Chi for the soul.
NB

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hi nb,

nice to meet you. the meditation's are so good....
i have not perceived a clear direct benefit like you but have just done them daily to be
calm and at peace. thanks for sharing your success with meditation, i am glad mayo helped you. i also just finished folfox, its an achievement. its not fun but it amazes me what we do to survive. did you get a chance to read the lecture or see the video ?
if you did whats your impression of his message ?

I am out of hospital day, going home to wife and kids. so happy.

hugs,
pete

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Pete,
First let me congratulate you on being home with your family. Best wishes on healing from surgery and moving on to a better quality of life.

I watched the videos because I am trying to modify my lifestyle to improve my chances of staying cancer free. Statistically I am in the group most likely to reoccur but I believe one can make lifestyle changes and improve one's chances. I printed out the Vitamin D Chart and plan to ask about both taking a baby aspirin and the dosages they recommend in the chart to stay cancer free on my next visit to see the Onocologist.

When visiting the dietician, she felt it was best to get your calcium and Vit. D from the sun and the food we eat. I am wondering if one can get the levels they recommend of Vit. D from the sun without supplements. What do you think?

NB

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Relaxoutdoors08,

I have also heard to get your vitamin D from the sun. But let me tell you... I live in "sunny southern California", where we have more sunny days than most other places. Although I'm not an avid sunbather, I am outside getting sun quite often. Even so, when my vitamin D level was first tested, it was a dismal level 13. 32 is considered the minimum level for health now & I have heard from some that for colon cancer patients, the optimum level is now considered between 70 & 80. Some say be careful- too much vitamin D can be dangerous. This is only true if your level gets above 100. I have been supplementing my vitamin D now for a couple of years. The first 3 months after my dismal score of 13, I supplemented with vitamin D pills. Three months later when retested, it had only gone up to 18- not much of an improvement at all. I then found spray vitamin D on Dr. Mercola's website (google it). After a month of using that, my level went up just over 32 (I think it was 34). Continuing a few months later, it was in the 50's. Now it was just tested last week & it's at 86. So, I can probably cut down on my supplement level (between 6,000-10,000 IU a day, which Dr. mercola's spray vitamin D is 1,000 IU per spray).
So, I think even with eating the right food and getting sun, some people just don't absorb vitamins from the foods and from the sun like they should (especially colorectal cancer patients- studies have shown that almost all colorectal cancer patients are deficient in vitamin D).

Good luck!
Lisa

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Your comparison to a religion posting is dead on.

I started to watch the video, and stopped when he said we all have cancer cells. That sounds good, but is not true. Cancer is a normal cell which has mutated at the chromosomal level (thus colon cancer, prostate cancer, brain cancer and leukemia are all cancer, but with very different cells and very different treatments).

Were you aware that brain cancer is staged differently from CRC? Brain cancer does not metastasize to other organs, so staging becomes very subjective. Treatment is very different as well, often with a single agent, taken as a pill for an indeterminate period of time ( in some cases for years).

Still, the faithful will believe regardless, and anything we say here is just ***** in the wind.

BTW, I am posting from a room on the Grand Canal in Venice, a few buildings away from the former residence of Lord Byron.

Blake

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Blake,

Even my onc told me "we all have cancer cells floating in our bodies at one time or another". I don't think that idea is "out there", but is actually fairly accepted even among western medical doctors. Our bodies supposedly throughout our lives deal with rogue cancer cells (which, yes, are mutated cells) like it deals with the many viruses and bacterium that get into our body and we never know about or get sick from because the immune system took care of them. It is quite common that we may breathe in cold viruses or flu viruses and not actually get sick from them. Either we were already exposed and were already immune to them, or our immune system went to work immediately in fighting it off.
There are certainly cancer cells that are too difficult or too aggressive for the immune system to adequately fight them off and then they go wild multiplying and we discover we have cancer. Just thought I'd comment.

Pete- I think the video was very interesting!

Lisa

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Discuss it with Lenz the next time he sees you.

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I will, Blake- Dr. Lenz isn't my regular onc (Dr. Helton in north San Diego county is), but I do value what Dr. Lenz says, as he's the one who recommended my current chemo regimen to me and to Dr. Helton.
I just didn't think it was an outrageous statement, as I've heard this fairly often. I also didn't think it was a reason to throw out the whole lecture/video. But, to each his/her own opinion.

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Glad to see you here! Haven't seen you comment for awhile and wondered where you were. Now, that's the part I'm not so glad about...I'm waaaaaaaay jealous from knowing that you're visiting the country at the top of my travel wishlist >;-p

At least come back with lots of stories and pics for us, please???

Buon viaggio,
Janine

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Because some doctors and nurses believe that their recommendations couldn't possibly be beat by some crazy, cheap "alternative", that these inquiries are affronts to their authority, or even a menace to boat payments.

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thanks for the reply.

i am home and so well benefiting from my research and so much good advice here.
I am so sad on another hand that so few have read the lecture or watched the video.

I guess when some people close their mind its like locking a door and throwing away the key.

Great motivational lectures at the top cancer centers won't even help anyone find the key to health.

i guess its the same reason i stayed a fat pig all my adult life until i gave myself crc.
at least i have found my own key and i have unlocked my healthy body thats been a prisoner in a fat body.

No wonder the USA leads the world in obesity, its just so hard to have discipline even when your life is on the line. most western lifestyle countries are the same. just give me a pill to make all my health problems go away.

I would prefer to see people at least watch the video and tell me its rubbish. of course its not.

sorry for rambling, i know the onc's will one day soon get the message, but if we don't believe what chance do they have.

hugs,
pete

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Pete, thank you so much, I just watched this entire video.
I just received and started reading Knockout. I have to say it upset me more than changed my life as someone had suggested. To be fair I haven't finished reading it but have to say I have not acquired any "helpful hints" to help me fight this cancer. Short of getting on a plane and going to Texas for these wonderful treatments , it left me confused.

Unless there is a practical "to do" list near the end for me then I will consider this purchase a waste.
your video on the other hand made me stop it to go get paper and pencil. sure its common sense but I like lists and he gave me some to follow....that I understand

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I am so glad I have had one new member of the site watch the video, maybe read the lecture and if so disposed even make a few clicks and order the book. I did and am so happy with it. The books contents give me hope. Hope is something essential to fighting the cancer monkey for me.

Just thankyou thankyou for taking the time to watch the video. not sure what knockout is. If you want helpful hints just buy anticancer, if you do I would get the second editition as its got new trials and facts not in the first.

hugs,

Pete

PS I am still fishing for new members to watch the video. If I get to two I will have a party. now all my old friends who have made their minds up on this subject area are excused from watching.

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hi graci,
i am glad you watched the video and understand his perspective. of course some treats are ok, my treats are gelato now.

my well connected and highly regarded onc obtained the oxy on compassionate grounds for me as the extra 10-15% improvement seemed worth it in my case, even the drug company agreed.

i wished you had been given more sensitive care during your oxy.

hugs,
pete

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the fact some don't want facts still saddens me, but i accept we are all different.
this board is great,better advice from doctors YES. better demands by patients we should all read anticancer, or bernie segals books at dx. they taught me alot.
hugs,
pete

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maybe some newer members will enjoy the lecture
hugs,
pete

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