Of interest ?

John23
John23 Member Posts: 2,122
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
Of interest ?

During research of a matter not related to cancer, or TCM, or
anything related cancer-wise, I stumbled upon the following
web sites. I found the topic so interesting, I felt compelled
to share it....

What is MSG?

Names of ingredients that contain processed free glutamic acid (MSG)

Since I've been suffering continual partial (and temporary complete)
intestinal blockages from the adhesions and hernias caused by
abdominal surgery, I've been living on soup broth from cans of
great Campbell's soups. I strain the soup, and just drink the broth...

Anyway.... for the past couple of weeks, I have become more
and more depressed, to the point of not particularly caring if
I continue living or not.

For the past two days, no soup... no nuttin', actually.. I had to
get an upper GI, with the barium, etc., to try to locate where
the obstruction is (after all that, they still don't know). But hey,
I'm not (as) depressed.

Tonight (12-18-10) I had a can of Campbells soup. And
shortly after having it, I felt depression and anxiety coming on.

The damned soup, every lousy, stinking, rotten can of soup,
of every brand I have (not just Campbells), contains MSG.

And since the can is for "two servings" and I'm drinking the
entire thing myself, the numbers are doubled.

The FDA allows MSG to be called many things, most that are
as innocuous as "corn sugar" (the new FDA approved name for
High Fructose).

Once again, the industry has won, as it has won in the past,
and as it will continue to win, as long as lobbyists have a place
in politics, and as long as greed permeates our political powers.

I'm disgusted; Slightly depressed, but I'll get over that.


Better health to all.

John
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Comments

  • NJC
    NJC Member Posts: 72
    John,
    Try some of the

    John,

    Try some of the organic soups that are found at the local Whole Foods or major chain grocery store. The ones I find the best are the soups by Wolfgang Puck.

    Happy Holidays!

    -Joe
  • Lovekitties
    Lovekitties Member Posts: 3,364 Member
    Do we ever really know?
    Even after becoming a label reader, you still have to wonder what the heck is in what we are eating.

    A little off subject, but I have heard several TV ads recently for meds for other ailments, and when they get to the part about potential side effects, they off-handedly say might cause cancer! What is up with that? Who wants to relieve pain or fix some other non-deadly ailment and get cancer from the meds?

    It boggles the mind.

    Marie
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    NJC said:

    John,
    Try some of the

    John,

    Try some of the organic soups that are found at the local Whole Foods or major chain grocery store. The ones I find the best are the soups by Wolfgang Puck.

    Happy Holidays!

    -Joe

    Hi Joe..
    Hi Joe..

    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck, Organic Soup, Chicken with Egg Noodles, 14.5 oz

    Ingredients
    Organic Chicken Stock (Water, Chicken Meat and Natural Juices,
    Salt, Cane Sugar, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavor, Dried Onion and
    Potato Starch, Dried Garlic, Turmeric and Spice Extractives),
    Organic Cooked Chicken Meat, Organic Celery, Organic Onions,
    Organic Carrots, Organic Egg Noodle (Semolina Flour, Whole Egg
    Powder, Egg White Powder), Organic Potato Starch
    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck Organic Thick Hearty Vegetable Soup, 14.5-Ounce Can
    Ingredients
    Organic Vegetable Stock (Water, Vegetable [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] and Concentrated Vegetables [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Carrots [Certified Organic Ingredient], Celery
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Onions [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Tomato [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Salt,
    Autolyzed Yeast Paste [Certified Organic Ingredient], Cane Sugar
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Soy Sauce [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Water, Soybean [Certified Organic Ingredient], Salt,
    Alcohol [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Maltodextrin [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Natural Flavor, Potato Starch [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Dried Onion
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Dried Garlic [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Spice [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Organic
    Tomatoes (Tomatoes [Certified Organic Ingredient], Tomato Juice
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Calcium Chloride and Citric
    Acid), Organic Roasted Potatoes (Potatoes, Calcium Chloride),
    Organic Carrots, Organic Celery, Organic Green Beans, Organic
    Onions, Organic Cabbage, Organic Corn, Organic Peas, Organic
    Butter (Cream [Certified Organic Ingredient], Natural Salt),
    Organic Potato Starch

    I "bold-typed" the ones that are MSG (I may have missed a few).

    Another list of MSG's FDA approved names, is here:
    Hidden Names for MSG

    It's a real sad state of affairs, Joe. As long as the FDA is in the
    corporate pocket, our foods and medicines are not safe.

    The lobbyists have pushed for ways around the stigma attached to
    the toxins, and can now call them anything they feel like. As a
    customer, there really isn't too much we can do. They've managed
    to disguise toxins well enough, that we're willing to spend bigger
    bucks for items that use words in labeling that elude discovery
    of the true contents.

    Oh well. What does "Wolfgang" care? He's got the cash.

    Thanks, and better health!

    John
  • NJC
    NJC Member Posts: 72
    John23 said:

    Hi Joe..
    Hi Joe..

    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck, Organic Soup, Chicken with Egg Noodles, 14.5 oz

    Ingredients
    Organic Chicken Stock (Water, Chicken Meat and Natural Juices,
    Salt, Cane Sugar, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavor, Dried Onion and
    Potato Starch, Dried Garlic, Turmeric and Spice Extractives),
    Organic Cooked Chicken Meat, Organic Celery, Organic Onions,
    Organic Carrots, Organic Egg Noodle (Semolina Flour, Whole Egg
    Powder, Egg White Powder), Organic Potato Starch
    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck Organic Thick Hearty Vegetable Soup, 14.5-Ounce Can
    Ingredients
    Organic Vegetable Stock (Water, Vegetable [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] and Concentrated Vegetables [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Carrots [Certified Organic Ingredient], Celery
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Onions [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Tomato [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Salt,
    Autolyzed Yeast Paste [Certified Organic Ingredient], Cane Sugar
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Soy Sauce [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Water, Soybean [Certified Organic Ingredient], Salt,
    Alcohol [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Maltodextrin [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Natural Flavor, Potato Starch [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Dried Onion
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Dried Garlic [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Spice [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Organic
    Tomatoes (Tomatoes [Certified Organic Ingredient], Tomato Juice
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Calcium Chloride and Citric
    Acid), Organic Roasted Potatoes (Potatoes, Calcium Chloride),
    Organic Carrots, Organic Celery, Organic Green Beans, Organic
    Onions, Organic Cabbage, Organic Corn, Organic Peas, Organic
    Butter (Cream [Certified Organic Ingredient], Natural Salt),
    Organic Potato Starch

    I "bold-typed" the ones that are MSG (I may have missed a few).

    Another list of MSG's FDA approved names, is here:
    Hidden Names for MSG

    It's a real sad state of affairs, Joe. As long as the FDA is in the
    corporate pocket, our foods and medicines are not safe.

    The lobbyists have pushed for ways around the stigma attached to
    the toxins, and can now call them anything they feel like. As a
    customer, there really isn't too much we can do. They've managed
    to disguise toxins well enough, that we're willing to spend bigger
    bucks for items that use words in labeling that elude discovery
    of the true contents.

    Oh well. What does "Wolfgang" care? He's got the cash.

    Thanks, and better health!

    John

    Interesting..... Thanks for
    Interesting..... Thanks for the info. Wife struggles with MSG as well and guess I wasn't doing as well as I thought.

    Thanks again!

    Happy Holidays.

    -Joe
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624
    OK John
    Been thinking about you the last couple of days. Hoping you find some relief soon.
    But, here we go, when the soups that are canned fail you, then it's time to look at making your own. They taste delicious, you get to pick the ingredients. I love my tomato and chicken soups. They taste great and I know what is in there. I know it isn't easy to stand around the kitchen making them, but you can make a huge batch, and freeze. I just made turkey soup out of my left over turkey. Nothing canned added, all fresh products. I ladle it into containers and then freeze it. I know it isn't as instant to reheat, has to be slowly simmered back to life, but no MSG, or other added products that you don't know what they contain.
    Hoping for your better health.
    Winter Marie
  • Crow71
    Crow71 Member Posts: 679
    John23 said:

    Hi Joe..
    Hi Joe..

    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck, Organic Soup, Chicken with Egg Noodles, 14.5 oz

    Ingredients
    Organic Chicken Stock (Water, Chicken Meat and Natural Juices,
    Salt, Cane Sugar, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavor, Dried Onion and
    Potato Starch, Dried Garlic, Turmeric and Spice Extractives),
    Organic Cooked Chicken Meat, Organic Celery, Organic Onions,
    Organic Carrots, Organic Egg Noodle (Semolina Flour, Whole Egg
    Powder, Egg White Powder), Organic Potato Starch
    ---------
    Wolfgang Puck Organic Thick Hearty Vegetable Soup, 14.5-Ounce Can
    Ingredients
    Organic Vegetable Stock (Water, Vegetable [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] and Concentrated Vegetables [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Carrots [Certified Organic Ingredient], Celery
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Onions [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Tomato [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Salt,
    Autolyzed Yeast Paste [Certified Organic Ingredient], Cane Sugar
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Soy Sauce [Certified Organic
    Ingredient] (Water, Soybean [Certified Organic Ingredient], Salt,
    Alcohol [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Maltodextrin [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Natural Flavor, Potato Starch [Certified
    Organic Ingredient], Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Dried Onion
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Dried Garlic [Certified Organic
    Ingredient], Spice [Certified Organic Ingredient]), Organic
    Tomatoes (Tomatoes [Certified Organic Ingredient], Tomato Juice
    [Certified Organic Ingredient], Calcium Chloride and Citric
    Acid), Organic Roasted Potatoes (Potatoes, Calcium Chloride),
    Organic Carrots, Organic Celery, Organic Green Beans, Organic
    Onions, Organic Cabbage, Organic Corn, Organic Peas, Organic
    Butter (Cream [Certified Organic Ingredient], Natural Salt),
    Organic Potato Starch

    I "bold-typed" the ones that are MSG (I may have missed a few).

    Another list of MSG's FDA approved names, is here:
    Hidden Names for MSG

    It's a real sad state of affairs, Joe. As long as the FDA is in the
    corporate pocket, our foods and medicines are not safe.

    The lobbyists have pushed for ways around the stigma attached to
    the toxins, and can now call them anything they feel like. As a
    customer, there really isn't too much we can do. They've managed
    to disguise toxins well enough, that we're willing to spend bigger
    bucks for items that use words in labeling that elude discovery
    of the true contents.

    Oh well. What does "Wolfgang" care? He's got the cash.

    Thanks, and better health!

    John

    polluted soup?
    Thanks John. This is great information to have.
    We buy a brand of broth called Pacific Foods. I've been looking at their web site and I'm pretty disappointed to learn that some of their soups and broths contain items on the list of hidden MSG sources that you provided. The good news is that some of the broths do not contain msg. Also, the web site lists all of the ingredients, which most sites don't. They also address the msg issue on the web site. Take a look and let me know what you think.

    http://www.pacificfoods.com/get-to-know-us/faqs/ingredients-questions

    Roger

    (sorry I don't know how to make a link.)
  • Annabelle41415
    Annabelle41415 Member Posts: 6,715 Member
    Wow
    Didn't realize you were struggling so with eating and that can obviously cause some big issues. You can't eat anything other than soup? Feel so bad for you. My goodness John, can't you get a surgeon to help you. You can't live on broth alone. Can't blame you for being depressed if that's all you could eat was soup. Talk to your surgeon and please get some help. Golly geez wiz wish you could get better soon. You always give such great advice. Look forward to all your posts.

    Kim
  • idlehunters
    idlehunters Member Posts: 1,787

    Wow
    Didn't realize you were struggling so with eating and that can obviously cause some big issues. You can't eat anything other than soup? Feel so bad for you. My goodness John, can't you get a surgeon to help you. You can't live on broth alone. Can't blame you for being depressed if that's all you could eat was soup. Talk to your surgeon and please get some help. Golly geez wiz wish you could get better soon. You always give such great advice. Look forward to all your posts.

    Kim

    Hey John
    Dang John........ Hate to hear about this stuff going on with you. I'm thinking on the same lines as Kim...can't something surgically be done to remedy this problem? Are you saying MSG in foods make you depressed? And I don't get why all you can eat is soup??? I never hear you complain about physical issues so this concerns me John. Please keep us updated on your course of action.

    Jennie
  • Lori-S
    Lori-S Member Posts: 1,277
    John
    I am so sorry about your troubles. I have read you mention these problems before. I can relate as I too am dealing with a peristomal hernia that if I put anything solid into my system will swell up and cause such pain that it looks like I'm a good 5 months pregnant on just one side of my stomach. I am also dealing with adhesions and can feel everything that inches its way through my intestines and it feels like cats are clawing my insides. I get so disgusted with it all too. Everyone keeps telling me to eat but, eating causes such pain that I've gone to mostly protien drinks and soup broths too. Sometimes I mess up and eat something solid and I really pay for it.

    Why don't you try getting chicken or beef at the store and cook it with just some garlic, salt and pepper in a good amount of water. Throw some veggies in for extra nutrients. That's what I do. That way if you strain out the solids and have just the broth, you know exactly what's in it and don't have to deal with those damn additives. I've also found that if I really cook the heck out of everything and keep adding water, I can get the solids down to semi-solids and still get the vitamins. It's a little more filling without being to intolerable.

    I hope you are feeling better soon. I will send out some good vibes and best wishes. I so can relate.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    Crow71 said:

    polluted soup?
    Thanks John. This is great information to have.
    We buy a brand of broth called Pacific Foods. I've been looking at their web site and I'm pretty disappointed to learn that some of their soups and broths contain items on the list of hidden MSG sources that you provided. The good news is that some of the broths do not contain msg. Also, the web site lists all of the ingredients, which most sites don't. They also address the msg issue on the web site. Take a look and let me know what you think.

    http://www.pacificfoods.com/get-to-know-us/faqs/ingredients-questions

    Roger

    (sorry I don't know how to make a link.)

    Roger -
    Roger -

    ---------
    Pacific brand Beef Stock:
    Ingredients
    Beef stock (water, beef stock powder)
    Beef extract
    Autolyzed yeast extract
    Sea salt
    Garlic powder
    ---------
    Low-Sodium Beef Broth
    Ingredients
    Organic beef stock (water, organic beef)
    Organic evaporated cane juice
    Organic onion powder
    Autolyzed yeast extract
    Organic garlic powder
    Sea salt
    Organic caramel color
    Organic black pepper
    -------

    That "Autolyzed yeast" is the bugaboo. The other veggie and
    chicken ones might be OK, tho.

    Every one of them has the word "flavors" in the ingredients,
    and that usually means the same thing as MSG. I guess if
    you don't cry in your soup, it's ok? I hate salty soup anyway.

    Thanks!!

    John
  • tanstaafl
    tanstaafl Member Posts: 1,299 Member
    Mom, skip the apple pie...
    I also agree on no canned soup policy.

    Simply there is no substitute for a basic, homemade soup to control the ingredients. We have a basic health soup available EVERY day, at lunch and dinner. Ginger/curcumin, onion or related, garlic, tomato, cabbage or other, okra, cauliflower, zucchini and/or broccoli, chicken/fish. For us, no grains or potato.

    If unassisted, the pot gets bigger (2-3-4 days worth) and the extra into portions for temporary storage in the freezer.
  • HeartofSoul
    HeartofSoul Member Posts: 729
    Lori-S said:

    John
    I am so sorry about your troubles. I have read you mention these problems before. I can relate as I too am dealing with a peristomal hernia that if I put anything solid into my system will swell up and cause such pain that it looks like I'm a good 5 months pregnant on just one side of my stomach. I am also dealing with adhesions and can feel everything that inches its way through my intestines and it feels like cats are clawing my insides. I get so disgusted with it all too. Everyone keeps telling me to eat but, eating causes such pain that I've gone to mostly protien drinks and soup broths too. Sometimes I mess up and eat something solid and I really pay for it.

    Why don't you try getting chicken or beef at the store and cook it with just some garlic, salt and pepper in a good amount of water. Throw some veggies in for extra nutrients. That's what I do. That way if you strain out the solids and have just the broth, you know exactly what's in it and don't have to deal with those damn additives. I've also found that if I really cook the heck out of everything and keep adding water, I can get the solids down to semi-solids and still get the vitamins. It's a little more filling without being to intolerable.

    I hope you are feeling better soon. I will send out some good vibes and best wishes. I so can relate.

    I know some people who have
    I know some people who have kidney disease at varying stages from sigfificant loss of functionality (80% loss) including dialysis and many are told to avoid if possible or minimize intake of sodium/salt. Many of these people find it almost impossible to eat anything that does not have salt/sodium. Not sure if MSG falls in the same category.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    Lori-S said:

    John
    I am so sorry about your troubles. I have read you mention these problems before. I can relate as I too am dealing with a peristomal hernia that if I put anything solid into my system will swell up and cause such pain that it looks like I'm a good 5 months pregnant on just one side of my stomach. I am also dealing with adhesions and can feel everything that inches its way through my intestines and it feels like cats are clawing my insides. I get so disgusted with it all too. Everyone keeps telling me to eat but, eating causes such pain that I've gone to mostly protien drinks and soup broths too. Sometimes I mess up and eat something solid and I really pay for it.

    Why don't you try getting chicken or beef at the store and cook it with just some garlic, salt and pepper in a good amount of water. Throw some veggies in for extra nutrients. That's what I do. That way if you strain out the solids and have just the broth, you know exactly what's in it and don't have to deal with those damn additives. I've also found that if I really cook the heck out of everything and keep adding water, I can get the solids down to semi-solids and still get the vitamins. It's a little more filling without being to intolerable.

    I hope you are feeling better soon. I will send out some good vibes and best wishes. I so can relate.

    Lori-S and gang...

    Thanks for the concern! For what most of you guys are going
    through, this is a cake-walk, really.

    Adhesions and hernias are common with any abdominal surgery.
    Most people never know about this stuff, so I guess we're
    kinda' special.

    After four years of absolutely no problems with digestion,
    other than an overactive ileostomy, I start having this garbage.

    From what I've learned, adhesions can grow over time, and
    start restricting areas of intestines that they didn't before.

    Likewise, hernias can form, and get worse over time. Age,
    exercise, or the lack of, or a simple cough or sneeze, or just
    getting out of bed in the morning, can do the trick. It just happens.

    So Kerry, wherever you are, take it easy with the log splitting
    and stacking.

    They don't, and usually won't, do surgery for a partial restriction.
    They wait until it's absolutely necessary, since surgery will only
    cause more adhesions and hernias. The surgeon I now have,
    was chief of staff, and taught Laparoscopic surgery. Even
    Laparoscopic surgery causes adhesions and hernias, but the
    scars outside are smaller.

    There's no easy fix for this crapola. I'm on a self-induced diet,
    only because I can't stand the thought of another night of hanging
    onto the toilet, heaving the night away. The bloating pain is
    incredible; you feel like you're going to explode. And they told me
    of cases where the intestines did tear apart from the pressure.
    So yeah.... I get concerned.

    Now, I did have a nice steak sandwich one afternoon, and a
    Salisbury steak on another afternoon, and I eat eggs... I can
    actually have anything that digests easily, like meat. but I can't
    have fiber, or anything that doesn't disintegrate in the digestive
    tract. Well.... I could, but it ain't gonna' be pleasant.

    I've lost some weight, and that's a good thing, but my last blood
    tests were the first of four year's worth that didn't look so good.
    My blood's down, and I'm anemic. Probably from not eating all
    the garbage I've been eating prior to this partial blockage. It's hard
    to force yourself to eat, when you worry about pain from eating.
    I can't help it, I'm a wimp. A hungry wimp, but a wimp none-the-less.

    Winter-Marie's promised me she'll get better and give me her recipes
    for her soup as soon as she gets out and about. In the meantime,
    my wife will work up some soup from scratch; she's good at that.

    Nourishment is where you find it. I miss my White Castles, but
    the onions and pickles would kill me.

    Thanks for caring, guys!

    Best wishes to ya'll!

    John
  • Kathleen808
    Kathleen808 Member Posts: 2,342
    John
    John,
    So sorry that you are in pain right now. **** has not dealt with adhesions and hernias yet. Thanks for describing them so we know what to look for.

    I agree about making your own soup. I like starting with an organic chicken or turkey. The broth is great and freezes well. Add in onion, celery, carrots, last time I added leaks and whole wheat pasta. I like fresh herbs too. I am happy to hear your wife will cook up some soup for you.

    Thinking of you.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030

    John
    John,
    So sorry that you are in pain right now. **** has not dealt with adhesions and hernias yet. Thanks for describing them so we know what to look for.

    I agree about making your own soup. I like starting with an organic chicken or turkey. The broth is great and freezes well. Add in onion, celery, carrots, last time I added leaks and whole wheat pasta. I like fresh herbs too. I am happy to hear your wife will cook up some soup for you.

    Thinking of you.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    it's really easy to take
    it's really easy to take veggies and blend them up for soup. You simmer them and blend, add seasonings. Most people cream them, cream of asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, etc, but you don't have to add 1 percent milk. Can you have these blended veggies, smoothies with berries and bananas. I make a mean caldo/soup but don't if are up to whole veggies, but hey, my brothers blends it up and he doesn't have cancer. Just eats healthy.
  • kant_spell
    kant_spell Member Posts: 6
    John23 said:

    Lori-S and gang...

    Thanks for the concern! For what most of you guys are going
    through, this is a cake-walk, really.

    Adhesions and hernias are common with any abdominal surgery.
    Most people never know about this stuff, so I guess we're
    kinda' special.

    After four years of absolutely no problems with digestion,
    other than an overactive ileostomy, I start having this garbage.

    From what I've learned, adhesions can grow over time, and
    start restricting areas of intestines that they didn't before.

    Likewise, hernias can form, and get worse over time. Age,
    exercise, or the lack of, or a simple cough or sneeze, or just
    getting out of bed in the morning, can do the trick. It just happens.

    So Kerry, wherever you are, take it easy with the log splitting
    and stacking.

    They don't, and usually won't, do surgery for a partial restriction.
    They wait until it's absolutely necessary, since surgery will only
    cause more adhesions and hernias. The surgeon I now have,
    was chief of staff, and taught Laparoscopic surgery. Even
    Laparoscopic surgery causes adhesions and hernias, but the
    scars outside are smaller.

    There's no easy fix for this crapola. I'm on a self-induced diet,
    only because I can't stand the thought of another night of hanging
    onto the toilet, heaving the night away. The bloating pain is
    incredible; you feel like you're going to explode. And they told me
    of cases where the intestines did tear apart from the pressure.
    So yeah.... I get concerned.

    Now, I did have a nice steak sandwich one afternoon, and a
    Salisbury steak on another afternoon, and I eat eggs... I can
    actually have anything that digests easily, like meat. but I can't
    have fiber, or anything that doesn't disintegrate in the digestive
    tract. Well.... I could, but it ain't gonna' be pleasant.

    I've lost some weight, and that's a good thing, but my last blood
    tests were the first of four year's worth that didn't look so good.
    My blood's down, and I'm anemic. Probably from not eating all
    the garbage I've been eating prior to this partial blockage. It's hard
    to force yourself to eat, when you worry about pain from eating.
    I can't help it, I'm a wimp. A hungry wimp, but a wimp none-the-less.

    Winter-Marie's promised me she'll get better and give me her recipes
    for her soup as soon as she gets out and about. In the meantime,
    my wife will work up some soup from scratch; she's good at that.

    Nourishment is where you find it. I miss my White Castles, but
    the onions and pickles would kill me.

    Thanks for caring, guys!

    Best wishes to ya'll!

    John

    snake oil or not?
    Hi John

    I've had one intestinal blockage so far, with a stay in the hospital and a couple days with the ng tube. not fun.

    A couple questions:

    1. When you get a blockage, do you now wait it out at home? Any effective home techniques?

    2. There is an organization (Clear Passage Physical Therapy) that advertises a physical therapy method for obstructions of the small intestine (the Wurn Technique); they claim it has been "proven successful" in eliminating or reducing adhesions. They are based in Florida, and I don't know how much it cost or if insurance covers it. More importantly, I have no idea if it really works. Do you know anything about this group?

    http://www.clearpassage.com/small-bowel-obstruction.php

    I have enjoyed and learned from your posts. Best wishes.

    Grant
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122

    John
    John,
    So sorry that you are in pain right now. **** has not dealt with adhesions and hernias yet. Thanks for describing them so we know what to look for.

    I agree about making your own soup. I like starting with an organic chicken or turkey. The broth is great and freezes well. Add in onion, celery, carrots, last time I added leaks and whole wheat pasta. I like fresh herbs too. I am happy to hear your wife will cook up some soup for you.

    Thinking of you.

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    Kathleen -

    As most of us (ileostomates) can tell you, life's no fun when you get
    an intestinal obstruction!

    You know you have "something wrong", when you begin to realize that
    you haven't relieved your intestinal capacity in too long a time.

    The output will be watery, initially. This can cause you to be more
    dehydrated than you usually are, and make the waste even more
    difficult to pass though a narrowed intestine.

    The next stage is a bloated feeling, with gas pains and cramps,
    and very little, or no output. As it extremes itself, vomiting is
    experienced, along with pain. On the "plus side", the contortions
    you go through while vomiting often can dislodge the blockage.

    Most people think that the cancer itself, is your only misery.
    It's not; it doesn't end with the absence of the cancer.

    Aside from all the psychological changes we go through dealing
    with our own mortality, we also have all the physical, biological,
    and neurological changes. It simply doesn't end that easy.

    They told me after the operation, that I may experience problems
    with adhesions and hernias. They didn't tell me, that it can occur
    years after the surgery. Surprise!!

    If your husband does experience any of this, make sure that
    he gets plenty of liquid throughout the debacle. Dehydration is
    a major problem; You lose most of the ability to re-coup the water
    and potassium from the waste, when you lose most of the colon.

    So with or without an Ileostomy, or Colostomy, when they remove
    part of your digestive tract, you're missing a part of the entire
    critical system.

    That's what cancer does; it takes away things.

    And yes, to you and Nana-b (and everyone else), making soup
    from scratch is the best way to go. But do be aware of the fiber,
    it doesn't dissolve, and it plays hell if you have an obstruction!

    Best of health to all!!

    John
  • plh4gail
    plh4gail Member Posts: 1,238
    Feel better
    I, too am sorry to hear you are having the pain and symptoms you are going through. I hope I'm not making a fool of myself for saying this. I haven't been on here long, but from the time I have been, I have always thought you offer your support and great advice as such a strong, strong person. Now I feel a touch of pain and guilt for not realizing you are like the rest of us. You have your rough times and challenges too. How else could you possibly be able to respond to posts the way you do. Now I see your knowledge and information is encorporated with "been there's" and "I understand's".

    I hope this all gets better for you soon and I'm glad you have your wife to help you with it.

    Gail
  • Sonia32
    Sonia32 Member Posts: 1,071
    John23 said:

    Kathleen -

    As most of us (ileostomates) can tell you, life's no fun when you get
    an intestinal obstruction!

    You know you have "something wrong", when you begin to realize that
    you haven't relieved your intestinal capacity in too long a time.

    The output will be watery, initially. This can cause you to be more
    dehydrated than you usually are, and make the waste even more
    difficult to pass though a narrowed intestine.

    The next stage is a bloated feeling, with gas pains and cramps,
    and very little, or no output. As it extremes itself, vomiting is
    experienced, along with pain. On the "plus side", the contortions
    you go through while vomiting often can dislodge the blockage.

    Most people think that the cancer itself, is your only misery.
    It's not; it doesn't end with the absence of the cancer.

    Aside from all the psychological changes we go through dealing
    with our own mortality, we also have all the physical, biological,
    and neurological changes. It simply doesn't end that easy.

    They told me after the operation, that I may experience problems
    with adhesions and hernias. They didn't tell me, that it can occur
    years after the surgery. Surprise!!

    If your husband does experience any of this, make sure that
    he gets plenty of liquid throughout the debacle. Dehydration is
    a major problem; You lose most of the ability to re-coup the water
    and potassium from the waste, when you lose most of the colon.

    So with or without an Ileostomy, or Colostomy, when they remove
    part of your digestive tract, you're missing a part of the entire
    critical system.

    That's what cancer does; it takes away things.

    And yes, to you and Nana-b (and everyone else), making soup
    from scratch is the best way to go. But do be aware of the fiber,
    it doesn't dissolve, and it plays hell if you have an obstruction!

    Best of health to all!!

    John

    John
    I have been having similar symptoms as you over the last few weeks. But my doctor has said it's been either gastritis, flu or IBS. Last week my stomach was so bad I couldn't eat properly was living on my sister's home made soup. I'm starting to feel a lot more better, but having a blood tests on Tuesday, and will be tested for H polyri. And you've got me thinking, I had keyhole surgery, so I have more scaring inside then out, curses. Never ends, as everyone has said home made soup is the way to go, I hope you start to feel better really do.

    Hugs
    Sonia
  • AnneCan
    AnneCan Member Posts: 3,673
    Hi John
    I am so sorry that you have been having eating issues. That is no fun at all.

    I have worked in the food industry most of my life, and have learned quite a bit about MSG over the years. MSG (Monosodium Glutamate) is a food enhancer. Its role is to enhance the flavours already present in the food. Sodium Chloride (table salt) also can play this role in foods as well (sodium chloride can also act as a preservative). It is the salt from an amino acid. It naturally occurs in some foods such as tomatoes and mushrooms. For some time it has been known that some people are sensitive to MSG, + exhibit various reactions such as headaches, generally not feeling well, etc. This is often known as "Chinese Food Syndrome", because Chinese Food often has a lot of MSG in it. You can ask to have "MSG free" Chinese Food + they will prepare it without MSG. Canada, where I live, requires MSG to be labelled in the ingredient listing, but there are other ingredients which may contain MSG, such as hydroyzed vegetable protein. I went to the FDA website, to check regulations in the US but found it a bit confusing + ran out of time. Here is the link to the Canadian regs on MSG:www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/addit/msg_qa-qr-eng.php (I wish I knew how to do direct links).

    With regards to soup, John, last week we had a roast chicken. We took the carcass + simmered it, along with a carrot, onion + some seasonings. The next day we heated up the broth, added chopped chicken, carrots, mushrooms, green onions. We separately cooked spagettini, + added it to each individual bowl, then added the soup. It was delicious!

    Wishing YOU better health, John!