Alternative treatment for stage 4 colorectal cancer -

Nana b said:

We are here for you!
Would definitely start with good nutrient, it can't hurt! Stay positive and fight!!

Hugs!

snommintj said:

Oncotyping and gene specific chemo
I suggest getting your cancer genetically tested. They can determine exactly what type of proteins are over or underexpressed in your cancer. They can then order chemo that has been clinically proven to work on your specific cancer. I started in may. I take abraxane and avastin. I have a few more mets than you and all has remained stable since march. I'm not trying to kill it. I'm jst trying to keep it stable. As it is. The only real side effect I have from my current treatment is hair loss. I spend a few days after chemo resting and generally feeling bad but have 2.5 good weeks afterward. I suggest staying on top of this before things get down. Once the lungs start having problems, anything can happen at any time.

John23 said:

Brian -

Re:
"I went through Fol-Fox with Oxyliplatin last year and it seemed
to hold things in check, but as soon as I was off, the cancer took off. "

That scenario seems to happen much too often, but that's no reason
to not continue the treatments if the treatments aren't killing you!

I worry about those who get so sick from the treatments that they feel
that they're going to die with more of it, and yet continue the treatments
in spite of the treatments not working. The fear of not doing what
western medicine says to do, is a big part of the overall problem.

Phil's physicians are using chemo to keep the cancer at bay,
and he's been doing great! John (snommintj) physicians appear
to be using the same concept, to keep cancer in check and by
treating it as a "chronic disease", rather than attempt to totally
eradicate it.

It might be best to take that route, since there really doesn't appear
to be any western medicine that will eradicate it all. Yes, some claim
it's"cured them", but it's certainly been more rare than normal.

As far as TCM? TCM works, there is absolutely no doubt in my
mind about that. It's been used exclusively for thousand of years
prior to the areas becoming westernized, and it's worked fine
for that long. Now in China and Asia, it is practiced along with
western medicine, and you have a choice in hospitals to choose
one or the other, or both.

With cancer, it's a difficult choice, since the vast majority of
cancer victims and physicians you'll ever see here, will tell you
that nothing less than western medicine can help anyone with cancer.

Cancer is scary stuff! It's not called a "terminal disease" without
a valid reason.

TCM and herbal therapy takes longer than chemo or radiation
to do what has to be done, and too often, cancer victim doesn't
have the time to allow it to work. Some cancers can grow quickly,
and if in a critical area (where it might kill you in a week or month),
something that works faster to stop the cancer from going further
is necessary. Then once things are at bay, there's no reason not
to try alternatives.

You can use TCM along with conventional western medicine,
just as it's done in China. It's found to be helpful to relieve the
many side effects of western medicine cancer drugs, including
the side effects of radiation. And, it can also increase western
medicine's effectiveness!

I chose to use imported Chinese herbs exclusively, since they
said chemotherapy was a 50/50 shot, and possibly not work
at all. That was almost four years ago. There are several others
on this board, that have used juicing, etc, instead, and are also still
here to talk about it. So don't think for a minute, that alternatives
aren't good to try, or that can't be beneficial.

I had asked both my oncologists the same questions:
Can you guarantee chemo will kill my cancer cells?
No, there's no guarantee.
Can you guarantee that after chemo, my cancer won't return?
No, no guarantee.
Can you guarantee me that it will work at all?
No.... no guarantee!

Ok then, can you at least guarantee that chemo won't cause a second cancer?
No, absolutely not.
A guarantee that it won't cause me to have neurological problems, some permanent?
No, absolutely not.
Can you at least guarantee me that it won't make me too weak to support other therapies?
No, we're sorry, we try, but no guarantees.....

Then they ask:
Will TCM give you any guarantees?
Well.... There are no guarantees that it will work at all either, but
It's guaranteed not to cause second cancers
It's guaranteed not to cause neurological problems, temporary or permanent.
It's guaranteed not to leave me too weak to support any other therapies...
In fact, it actually builds immune system responses, rather than destroys them
like western medicine, and often, that's enough for it to continue killing
cancer cells.

The bottom line? Will it work for you?

There are absolutely no guarantees; you'll be betting your life on what
western medicine calls an "unproven" practice.

Yes, it's thousands of years old; and it has been practiced on billions and
billions of humans over that period of time very successfully for a myriad
of diseases, including what we call cancer. I'm not too sure why it remains
"unproven", except to those that are doing whatever they can to sustain
their present income of their present practice....?

Yes, chemotherapy works to kill cancer tumors, but it will not kill a cancer
cell that is -not- growing faster than it's surrounding cells. Our immune system,
on the other hand, has the capability of destroying an individual cancer cell,
regardless of where in our body it might be.

Most people's immune system does exactly that! That's why some of us get
cancer, while others never do. The quest for a cure should be in the direction
of fixing immune systems that aren't doing what they should, not finding some
man-made concoction to do what mother nature should be doing....

If they ever manage to perfect treatments of western medicine to use our
own immune system to do the battle, we will finally have a cure for cancer.

That's -my- opinion!

I provided many links to information on other threads that you should be able
to locate with a search. I'm in the process of making up a page or three of data
to post to the "blog" section of my "profile page" here, and hopefully it'll make
it easier to get information posted to a place that's easier to locate.

If I can help one person live when western medicine is failing them, it makes
my own life worthwhile.

Better health to you,


John

chicoturner said:

Hi Brian, I to am stage 4 cc
Hi Brian, I to am stage 4 cc with several small mets to both lungs. I am not a cadidate for surgery at this time, but who knows. I am 58 and feeling good. I am currently doing trials at UCSF. I am on Gleevec, Cyclophoshamide and good ol' Avastin. I have scans this coming Monday and will get the results the next Mon. when I go to SF. I too have been on ocxy and irronotecan and it held it off or lessened it but it came back when I took a break. I have currently been on this trial since the beginning of June. My new onc in SF says she is not expecting this to be a cure, but to keep me healthy until something better comes along. Best to you. Jean