Raw Food Lecture - And Pass the Plate....

PhillieG
PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I went to a Raw Food lecture in NYC the other night that was touted as "Hear Author Brenda Cobb's Inspiring Personal Story of Healing Cancer without surgery, chemotherapy or radiation and the relationship of high vibration energy and healing".

They held it in a nice restaurant on the city over by the Flatiron Building. I went with my brother and we had a good veggie dinner (a HUGE salad) then went in for the lecture. Aside from many remarkable and unbelievable stories of people with 150 tumors in their bodies who were given 2 weeks to live and then went to their center and after a few shots of wheat grass, some energy soup, a colonic (or three) had all of their tumors gone and their health was restored to perfect. To say this was VERY hard to believe is an understatement.

While there was a lot of talk that was what I felt common sense about eating healthy, the majority of the talk after the 3 or 4 "miracle cures" centered on "Prosperity" and how that was lacking in most people's lives. What does that have to do with cancer and diet? It really sounded like Joel Olsten preaching prosperity. What about people's health, isn't that more important than having things? On top of everything else, the 2 week sessions at their center range in price from $14,000 down to $1,900 (fewer colonics I guess?) During the entire "lecture" they kept peddling their essence oils, books, DVDs, and enema equipment. They even asked people who would go if money were no object. A few raised their hands (I was not one of them) and were told that it was their lucky day. "I'll tell you what I'm gonna do" they said, "tonight, and tonight only, if you sign up they would take 50% off the fee for the 2 week session. You still have to pony up money for a hotel, airfare etc.

I felt a little slighted that the "lecture" was really nothing more than a sales-pitch aimed at people, some who went there looking for possible cures for cancer. In the end it was about "Prosperity", theirs...

Moral, be cautious of those who prey on people who are looking for solutions to serious problems.
-p
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  • dianetavegia
    dianetavegia Member Posts: 1,942
    Shucks Phil, Y'all can come
    Shucks Phil, Y'all can come to my house and eat some raw foods for less than half that.
    ;-) I can even provide the high vibration treatment. For an extra $1,000, my cat, Patches, will sleep curled up against your abdomen everytime you are sitting or lying down.

    I do NOT provide colonics. I draw the line at sticking something up your .......
  • JDuke
    JDuke Member Posts: 438

    Shucks Phil, Y'all can come
    Shucks Phil, Y'all can come to my house and eat some raw foods for less than half that.
    ;-) I can even provide the high vibration treatment. For an extra $1,000, my cat, Patches, will sleep curled up against your abdomen everytime you are sitting or lying down.

    I do NOT provide colonics. I draw the line at sticking something up your .......

    Thanks Phil
    for the information and Diane that was great! :)
  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member
    Bummer
    They're lucky you didn't stand and tell them how you felt about it! Sorry it was such a disappointment.

    *hugs*
    Gail
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    I Do Try to Eat Well
    I belong to a CSA (community supported agriculture) that is organic and try to get most veggies from there and soon I'll be growing my own. There was that jamescollier person a few days ago who was just trying to sell us their miracle cures. It's shameful to see/hear of people who prey on us. It's like the old folks you are suckered out of their life savings by scammers. I wasn't about to make a scene there, I just left. The original bits of info about raw food and it's energy are OK although I have a sister in law who if a rabid raw foodie, all 80 pounds of her. There are other issues going on.

    BTW: the Jiffy Lube by me has drive-thru colonics so if I ever have the urge, I'm covered!
  • maglets
    maglets Member Posts: 2,576
    PhillieG said:

    I Do Try to Eat Well
    I belong to a CSA (community supported agriculture) that is organic and try to get most veggies from there and soon I'll be growing my own. There was that jamescollier person a few days ago who was just trying to sell us their miracle cures. It's shameful to see/hear of people who prey on us. It's like the old folks you are suckered out of their life savings by scammers. I wasn't about to make a scene there, I just left. The original bits of info about raw food and it's energy are OK although I have a sister in law who if a rabid raw foodie, all 80 pounds of her. There are other issues going on.

    BTW: the Jiffy Lube by me has drive-thru colonics so if I ever have the urge, I'm covered!

    Phil
    Phil that is such an interesting story. I find it hard to believe that people can be that unjust and greedy to be marketing to we needy cancer folks.

    Last week I heard a similar story. A friend of mine was diagnosed with adrenal gland cancer and a year later with mets to other abdominal sites. Her young son is in about grade 6 and the principal of his school approached my friend selling some kind of supplement and miracle cure. The Principal!

    hahh love the Jiffy Lube :)

    mags
  • Scambuster
    Scambuster Member Posts: 973
    PhillieG said:

    I Do Try to Eat Well
    I belong to a CSA (community supported agriculture) that is organic and try to get most veggies from there and soon I'll be growing my own. There was that jamescollier person a few days ago who was just trying to sell us their miracle cures. It's shameful to see/hear of people who prey on us. It's like the old folks you are suckered out of their life savings by scammers. I wasn't about to make a scene there, I just left. The original bits of info about raw food and it's energy are OK although I have a sister in law who if a rabid raw foodie, all 80 pounds of her. There are other issues going on.

    BTW: the Jiffy Lube by me has drive-thru colonics so if I ever have the urge, I'm covered!

    Colonics
    Hi Philli & Gang,

    I noticed your interesting post. I am usually on the Head & Neck 'C' Survivors page. I had SCC of the Tonsil, surgery and 7 weeks of IMRT and Erbitux - finished Oct 7th 2009.

    While I had a very rough period going through treatment, I am doing OK now. Head and Neck folks cop the rads in the area that affects our eating, taste, swallowing and Saliva production so the legacy from the treatments can be devastating.

    My few cents worth here are related to my experience with Colonics between my surgery and start of treatment. In brief, I became incredibly toxic from all the medications and anesthetics : Morphine, Paracetamol, Pethadine, Vicodin, antibiotics etc. I also became horribly constipated post surgery mainly from the Morphine I gather.

    My doctors (2 Onco's and ENT) laughed at my inquiry into Colonics. No surprise. I was released from 10 days in Hospital in terrible shape and was almost carried into a Colonics Clinic I found myself not far from the hospital. I had a 45 minute open Colonic session.

    I walked out of the clinic rather light headed but feeling a great deal better. Amazingly so. Within a couple of hours and after a light meal I was bouncing off the walls and doing 'Jump jacks'. It was the most memorable and remarkable recovery from deathly sick to jumping with joy I have experienced. The colon can trap toxins for various reasons, which leach back into your body and do it no good at all. Best to clear it out.

    While I don't advocate filling pockets of greedy opportunists, there are legitimate operators out there who can definitely help. I have since had further treatments and caffeine enemas. I also subscribe to the raw foods concepts and also Acid vs Alkaline in your body also related mainly to diet.

    Wishing you all well.
    Scambuster
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064
    I hear ya!
    hey phil,

    It never fails to surprise me that people are surprised that others are trying to make a buck off of us. Just walk into a chemo clinic to get your $10,000 does of chemo. Just get cancer and have everyone and their pharmaceutical grandfather try to sell you their latest magic potion be it FOLFOX or OXY whatever. And are they working?? Maybe for some but certainly not for many on here.

    Just drive through their neighborhoods and see how your oncologists live. If you don't think the scams work on both sides of the equation.....and "they" have "science" to back them up? Uh yeeeah. And who are the guinea pigs?

    The person selling hope at your Raw Foods seminar is doing the same thing as your oncologist actually. Selling hope. Do you ever just get up and walk out of your oncolgist's office sick of his/her spiel feeling disgusted that they are just wanting to exploit your vulnerability? The difference is that your insurance company is a partner in paying off your doctors. Those of us who choose to follow a different path to Hope have to pay out of pocket and line the pockets of whichever practitioner we decide to put our faith in. I really see no difference but find it rather interesting that people are so quick to judge only ONE side of the MEGA business of cancer without acknowledging both sides of the "greedy" factor.

    Ok, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer but this happens to me every time we lose another one to the cancer business of sick care. Can't take it much longer......really can't.


    emily
  • snommintj
    snommintj Member Posts: 601
    2bhealed said:

    I hear ya!
    hey phil,

    It never fails to surprise me that people are surprised that others are trying to make a buck off of us. Just walk into a chemo clinic to get your $10,000 does of chemo. Just get cancer and have everyone and their pharmaceutical grandfather try to sell you their latest magic potion be it FOLFOX or OXY whatever. And are they working?? Maybe for some but certainly not for many on here.

    Just drive through their neighborhoods and see how your oncologists live. If you don't think the scams work on both sides of the equation.....and "they" have "science" to back them up? Uh yeeeah. And who are the guinea pigs?

    The person selling hope at your Raw Foods seminar is doing the same thing as your oncologist actually. Selling hope. Do you ever just get up and walk out of your oncolgist's office sick of his/her spiel feeling disgusted that they are just wanting to exploit your vulnerability? The difference is that your insurance company is a partner in paying off your doctors. Those of us who choose to follow a different path to Hope have to pay out of pocket and line the pockets of whichever practitioner we decide to put our faith in. I really see no difference but find it rather interesting that people are so quick to judge only ONE side of the MEGA business of cancer without acknowledging both sides of the "greedy" factor.

    Ok, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer but this happens to me every time we lose another one to the cancer business of sick care. Can't take it much longer......really can't.


    emily

    Special for the summer
    You can stay in my guest villa "out building w/guest room" and have all the raw kudzu you can eat. I have boats, atv's, golf cars. I'll throw in 7 rounds of golf per week at anyone of our 9 award winning courses, all the native fish you can catch and local produce you can pick. I'll juice any fruit or vegetable you want, 7 times per day. All for only $5000 per week.
  • imagineit2010
    imagineit2010 Member Posts: 152
    2bhealed said:

    I hear ya!
    hey phil,

    It never fails to surprise me that people are surprised that others are trying to make a buck off of us. Just walk into a chemo clinic to get your $10,000 does of chemo. Just get cancer and have everyone and their pharmaceutical grandfather try to sell you their latest magic potion be it FOLFOX or OXY whatever. And are they working?? Maybe for some but certainly not for many on here.

    Just drive through their neighborhoods and see how your oncologists live. If you don't think the scams work on both sides of the equation.....and "they" have "science" to back them up? Uh yeeeah. And who are the guinea pigs?

    The person selling hope at your Raw Foods seminar is doing the same thing as your oncologist actually. Selling hope. Do you ever just get up and walk out of your oncolgist's office sick of his/her spiel feeling disgusted that they are just wanting to exploit your vulnerability? The difference is that your insurance company is a partner in paying off your doctors. Those of us who choose to follow a different path to Hope have to pay out of pocket and line the pockets of whichever practitioner we decide to put our faith in. I really see no difference but find it rather interesting that people are so quick to judge only ONE side of the MEGA business of cancer without acknowledging both sides of the "greedy" factor.

    Ok, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer but this happens to me every time we lose another one to the cancer business of sick care. Can't take it much longer......really can't.


    emily

    What IS fact or fiction
    I could not agree more with Emily. I was also suspect of my Oncologist when, at our first meeting, I proceeded to tell him how I had taken steps on my own to get healthy before I started HIS treatment. I had a month of tests before I met with him and I completely changed my diet and lifestyle. I proudly started telling a DOCTOR how I was taking steps to build up my immune system and clean out toxins when he interupted me MID-SENTENCE exclaiming that "there's no proof diet has any effect on cancer or treatment". WHAT???? How can any "doctor" be so sure of something they don't study? I called another Cancer Center in my area to inquire about a second opinion. After I relayed my info. to a nurse telling her all the tests I have had she calmly stated that if I expected to get a different opinion I would not get it there. She said all cancer treatment centers will follow the same recomendations, period. She informed me the Onc. will tell you what Chemo to take, the Radio. Onc. will tell you how much radiation and the sugeon will tell you how much surgery you need but they will not tell you any different options. Nice, so much for REAL options. And as we all know, the options they have are OPINIONS since they have NO proof "their" plan is best for you. When I asked why people can follow the recommended treatment plan (chemo,radiation,surgery,chemo), be NED and still have recurrence the doctor said "that means there were "microscopic" cells that were undetectable and they were missed. I asked can you prove that? He said NO but that is what we believe. Really.... Can't prove it but believe it anyway. Hmmmm... People will always hear what they want to, see what they want to, and believe what they want to. That is human nature. No one should get a free pass because of credentials or degree. I think evidence shows the standard course of treatment does work for some people but the variables are what matters. Physical, mental and spiritual health, diet and lifestyle are the only thing doctors can't quantify so most won't believe they matter. Remember, The devil is in the details...
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    2bhealed said:

    I hear ya!
    hey phil,

    It never fails to surprise me that people are surprised that others are trying to make a buck off of us. Just walk into a chemo clinic to get your $10,000 does of chemo. Just get cancer and have everyone and their pharmaceutical grandfather try to sell you their latest magic potion be it FOLFOX or OXY whatever. And are they working?? Maybe for some but certainly not for many on here.

    Just drive through their neighborhoods and see how your oncologists live. If you don't think the scams work on both sides of the equation.....and "they" have "science" to back them up? Uh yeeeah. And who are the guinea pigs?

    The person selling hope at your Raw Foods seminar is doing the same thing as your oncologist actually. Selling hope. Do you ever just get up and walk out of your oncolgist's office sick of his/her spiel feeling disgusted that they are just wanting to exploit your vulnerability? The difference is that your insurance company is a partner in paying off your doctors. Those of us who choose to follow a different path to Hope have to pay out of pocket and line the pockets of whichever practitioner we decide to put our faith in. I really see no difference but find it rather interesting that people are so quick to judge only ONE side of the MEGA business of cancer without acknowledging both sides of the "greedy" factor.

    Ok, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer but this happens to me every time we lose another one to the cancer business of sick care. Can't take it much longer......really can't.


    emily

    Smarty Pants! ;-)
    Very true, you make a good points Emily. I was most offended by the whole "prosperity" spiel. If they were just selling a therapeutic "health job" at their clinic then fine but to think that everyone wants prosperity (Prosperity is a condition in which a person or community is doing well financially) seems so shallow to me. Give me health any day.

    I certainly think that eating healthy is a wise thing to do. It isn't fair that those of us how choose medicine get insurance to help us but those who choose raw get a "raw deal". Maybe they can get Monsanto to sponsor it (a joke, not a fan of Franken-food).

    To be fair though Em, we lose people to cancer from both types of treatment. Chemo and what are often called "alternative treatments". It's not like if everyone did alternatives there'd be no death from cancer.

    Thanks for ruining my post!!!!
    Love ya Emily, you know that.
    You gave some good raw food for thought!
    -phil
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    snommintj said:

    Special for the summer
    You can stay in my guest villa "out building w/guest room" and have all the raw kudzu you can eat. I have boats, atv's, golf cars. I'll throw in 7 rounds of golf per week at anyone of our 9 award winning courses, all the native fish you can catch and local produce you can pick. I'll juice any fruit or vegetable you want, 7 times per day. All for only $5000 per week.

    The offers roll in
    Thanks John and Diane, the offers of free raw food keep rolling in...
    Golf you say?
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064
    PhillieG said:

    Smarty Pants! ;-)
    Very true, you make a good points Emily. I was most offended by the whole "prosperity" spiel. If they were just selling a therapeutic "health job" at their clinic then fine but to think that everyone wants prosperity (Prosperity is a condition in which a person or community is doing well financially) seems so shallow to me. Give me health any day.

    I certainly think that eating healthy is a wise thing to do. It isn't fair that those of us how choose medicine get insurance to help us but those who choose raw get a "raw deal". Maybe they can get Monsanto to sponsor it (a joke, not a fan of Franken-food).

    To be fair though Em, we lose people to cancer from both types of treatment. Chemo and what are often called "alternative treatments". It's not like if everyone did alternatives there'd be no death from cancer.

    Thanks for ruining my post!!!!
    Love ya Emily, you know that.
    You gave some good raw food for thought!
    -phil

    Smooch!
    Get people thinking and changing paradigms.....that's what I like to do.

    I personally do not know one person who has done what I have done...ONLY surgery and alternatives and NO conventional treatments. I DO know people who did conventional medicine that didn't work and THEN did alternatives and it didn't work. Is that maybe the kind of people who you know? Because they belong to a different paradigm. They are people that we'll never know what did them in....if they didn't do any conventional then we know for sure that their program didn't work OR they didn't work the program. (just a "little bit" of sugar or junk food or soda or ice cream or alcohol etc etc).

    Sorry that you do know folks who didn't make it after doing what I did. I just don't know anyone.

    Greed sucks no matter what package it's in. Just saying.

    peace, emily
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866

    What IS fact or fiction
    I could not agree more with Emily. I was also suspect of my Oncologist when, at our first meeting, I proceeded to tell him how I had taken steps on my own to get healthy before I started HIS treatment. I had a month of tests before I met with him and I completely changed my diet and lifestyle. I proudly started telling a DOCTOR how I was taking steps to build up my immune system and clean out toxins when he interupted me MID-SENTENCE exclaiming that "there's no proof diet has any effect on cancer or treatment". WHAT???? How can any "doctor" be so sure of something they don't study? I called another Cancer Center in my area to inquire about a second opinion. After I relayed my info. to a nurse telling her all the tests I have had she calmly stated that if I expected to get a different opinion I would not get it there. She said all cancer treatment centers will follow the same recomendations, period. She informed me the Onc. will tell you what Chemo to take, the Radio. Onc. will tell you how much radiation and the sugeon will tell you how much surgery you need but they will not tell you any different options. Nice, so much for REAL options. And as we all know, the options they have are OPINIONS since they have NO proof "their" plan is best for you. When I asked why people can follow the recommended treatment plan (chemo,radiation,surgery,chemo), be NED and still have recurrence the doctor said "that means there were "microscopic" cells that were undetectable and they were missed. I asked can you prove that? He said NO but that is what we believe. Really.... Can't prove it but believe it anyway. Hmmmm... People will always hear what they want to, see what they want to, and believe what they want to. That is human nature. No one should get a free pass because of credentials or degree. I think evidence shows the standard course of treatment does work for some people but the variables are what matters. Physical, mental and spiritual health, diet and lifestyle are the only thing doctors can't quantify so most won't believe they matter. Remember, The devil is in the details...

    Isn't that Amazing?
    It's like when the tobacco executives got up and told people that they believed their products to be safe or to think that if people continue to pollute the planet it's not going to change our environment. Ignorance isn't always bliss.

    Unfortunately cancer is not like a broken arm. You can look at an arm and say "yup, it's broken. Put it in a cast and it will heal". With cancer, I think you can have two people with a very similar diagnosis, give them the same treatment, and have two different outcomes. Cancer is something that I believe isn't fully understood at all. It has many causes and it reacts differently in each of us.

    Generally speaking, you're not going to get a Cancer Center to say "go eat raw" and you won't get a Holistic Organic Center to tell you to "go take chemo".

    All we can do is to follow what WE think is the best for US and hope for the best.
    -p
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064
    PhillieG said:

    Isn't that Amazing?
    It's like when the tobacco executives got up and told people that they believed their products to be safe or to think that if people continue to pollute the planet it's not going to change our environment. Ignorance isn't always bliss.

    Unfortunately cancer is not like a broken arm. You can look at an arm and say "yup, it's broken. Put it in a cast and it will heal". With cancer, I think you can have two people with a very similar diagnosis, give them the same treatment, and have two different outcomes. Cancer is something that I believe isn't fully understood at all. It has many causes and it reacts differently in each of us.

    Generally speaking, you're not going to get a Cancer Center to say "go eat raw" and you won't get a Holistic Organic Center to tell you to "go take chemo".

    All we can do is to follow what WE think is the best for US and hope for the best.
    -p

    Phil--Completely agree
    That's something we CAN do is grab something that we can put our HOPE in and believe. And thank goodness we have choices....still.
  • geotina
    geotina Member Posts: 2,111
    2bhealed said:

    I hear ya!
    hey phil,

    It never fails to surprise me that people are surprised that others are trying to make a buck off of us. Just walk into a chemo clinic to get your $10,000 does of chemo. Just get cancer and have everyone and their pharmaceutical grandfather try to sell you their latest magic potion be it FOLFOX or OXY whatever. And are they working?? Maybe for some but certainly not for many on here.

    Just drive through their neighborhoods and see how your oncologists live. If you don't think the scams work on both sides of the equation.....and "they" have "science" to back them up? Uh yeeeah. And who are the guinea pigs?

    The person selling hope at your Raw Foods seminar is doing the same thing as your oncologist actually. Selling hope. Do you ever just get up and walk out of your oncolgist's office sick of his/her spiel feeling disgusted that they are just wanting to exploit your vulnerability? The difference is that your insurance company is a partner in paying off your doctors. Those of us who choose to follow a different path to Hope have to pay out of pocket and line the pockets of whichever practitioner we decide to put our faith in. I really see no difference but find it rather interesting that people are so quick to judge only ONE side of the MEGA business of cancer without acknowledging both sides of the "greedy" factor.

    Ok, sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer but this happens to me every time we lose another one to the cancer business of sick care. Can't take it much longer......really can't.


    emily

    Emily
    Many of us are doing the very best we can under very difficult circumstances and on many days are terrified of losing our loved one. Personally, I found your post insulting, demeaning and quite honsestly, very hurtful.

    The path you chose has worked very well for you and I wish you continued success. It saddens me that it appears you do not wish the same for the rest of us. We are not guinea pigs taking magic potions, we are simply doing the best we can hoping our decisions are good ones.

    Tina
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064
    geotina said:

    Emily
    Many of us are doing the very best we can under very difficult circumstances and on many days are terrified of losing our loved one. Personally, I found your post insulting, demeaning and quite honsestly, very hurtful.

    The path you chose has worked very well for you and I wish you continued success. It saddens me that it appears you do not wish the same for the rest of us. We are not guinea pigs taking magic potions, we are simply doing the best we can hoping our decisions are good ones.

    Tina

    Hurting
    Tina,

    Above ANYTHING else I want folks on this board to LIVE. Thinking that I do not wish success for you and all on here just tells me that you don't really know me so I can let that comment slide.

    We are ALL guinea pigs in a cancer crisis trying out treatments to see if they will work or not. I didn't make that statement to be insulting or demeaning. Did I know that my path to healing would work? Heck no. Was I scared that it wouldn't? Heck yeah. But in many other posts I have shared what I am not afraid of....

    There are no guarantees in life with anything. We are all doing the best we can and that includes me trying to keep the shadow of death from my door like anyone else. If my words were hurtful, insulting or demeaning that was not the intention of my post. That is not my modus operandi.

    In the 8 1/2 years that I have been posting on these boards, seriously I have lost too many friends to cancer to count, not to mention my own sister when she was 33. That means something to me and it makes me ANGRY! If my anger hurt, insulted or demeaned you, I apologize. Nothing was directed at you personally, nor to any one person on this board. My frustration is in the whole cancer MEGA industry-- NOT towards any survivors out there trying their darnedest to live. No way.

    If I didn't know myself better and know where my heart lies, I would be insulted that you think I don't want the BEST for all folks on here and I surely wouldn't spend a good part of the last 8 ++ years coming on here trying to help. A little grace goes a long way.

    peace, emily
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    geotina said:

    Emily
    Many of us are doing the very best we can under very difficult circumstances and on many days are terrified of losing our loved one. Personally, I found your post insulting, demeaning and quite honsestly, very hurtful.

    The path you chose has worked very well for you and I wish you continued success. It saddens me that it appears you do not wish the same for the rest of us. We are not guinea pigs taking magic potions, we are simply doing the best we can hoping our decisions are good ones.

    Tina

    Tina
    I found Emily's post to be painfully honest. We are on different sides of the fence but I think she hit the nail on the head. We choose to see doctors to try to get through this. She doesn't. Sure, not all doctors are in this for the money but I do wonder about pharmaceutical companies. And yes, they (some doctors) are taken out and wined and dined to get them to use their "medicine".

    At first I was a bit taken back because Em, being Em, gave her honest opinion on the topic. There are two sides to everything and she has seen both and chose to handle her cancer her way (with great success too). We happen to see the one side. I didn't feel like she was insulting at all but that's me and I know that's Emily.

    You certainly are entitled to your opinion Tina, I'm not here to tell you that but we are often the "test pilots" for many of the drugs that are being used to help cure cancer.
    -phil
  • 5678dance
    5678dance Member Posts: 39

    What IS fact or fiction
    I could not agree more with Emily. I was also suspect of my Oncologist when, at our first meeting, I proceeded to tell him how I had taken steps on my own to get healthy before I started HIS treatment. I had a month of tests before I met with him and I completely changed my diet and lifestyle. I proudly started telling a DOCTOR how I was taking steps to build up my immune system and clean out toxins when he interupted me MID-SENTENCE exclaiming that "there's no proof diet has any effect on cancer or treatment". WHAT???? How can any "doctor" be so sure of something they don't study? I called another Cancer Center in my area to inquire about a second opinion. After I relayed my info. to a nurse telling her all the tests I have had she calmly stated that if I expected to get a different opinion I would not get it there. She said all cancer treatment centers will follow the same recomendations, period. She informed me the Onc. will tell you what Chemo to take, the Radio. Onc. will tell you how much radiation and the sugeon will tell you how much surgery you need but they will not tell you any different options. Nice, so much for REAL options. And as we all know, the options they have are OPINIONS since they have NO proof "their" plan is best for you. When I asked why people can follow the recommended treatment plan (chemo,radiation,surgery,chemo), be NED and still have recurrence the doctor said "that means there were "microscopic" cells that were undetectable and they were missed. I asked can you prove that? He said NO but that is what we believe. Really.... Can't prove it but believe it anyway. Hmmmm... People will always hear what they want to, see what they want to, and believe what they want to. That is human nature. No one should get a free pass because of credentials or degree. I think evidence shows the standard course of treatment does work for some people but the variables are what matters. Physical, mental and spiritual health, diet and lifestyle are the only thing doctors can't quantify so most won't believe they matter. Remember, The devil is in the details...

    Diet & Cancer - I Believe!
    WOW! When I read imagineit2010's statement that the onc stopped him/her in mid sentance and proclaimed "there's no proof diet has any effect on cancer or treatment" I was totally stunned!! Not only my onc, but many others have said, and I have read, how the "western diet" is thought to be one of the contributors to getting colon cancer. All of the fat, box food, canned food, and much, much more, have been blamed. If a bad diet can contribute to giving you cancer, how can anyone claim that a good diet has no effect????? I know that I am eating much healthier now, and I feel a whole lot better. I ty to eat reaaly weel on non chemo weeks, when I can tolerate more foods. My onc my surgeon and my gastro doc were all urging me to have a better diet. My blood work comes back great, nutrition wise. My BM's are more consistant, and I just have a much better feeling overall from the better, more natural diet. It's something everyone can do without paying for a "miracle cure!"

    One thing I did learn from someone, that made it easier. Shop the outside edge of the supermarket! Sure, there are still some things there that you don't want, but it is where all of the fresh food is. Only go up and down the aisles when you need spices, cleaning products, etc. Otherwise, that's where all of the boxed & canned foods are, and a lot of those have extra ingredients (preservatives, chemiicals) that we don't need. My mantra has become "if man made it, don't eat it." I do follow that for the most part, but will admit to the occasional "treat" every now and then. lol

    Kathi
  • SueRelays
    SueRelays Member Posts: 485
    JDuke said:

    Thanks Phil
    for the information and Diane that was great! :)

    Ohhh THAT was good Diane!
    Ohhh THAT was good Diane! I'll do it for 1/2 of what Diane will :)
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    PhillieG said:

    Tina
    I found Emily's post to be painfully honest. We are on different sides of the fence but I think she hit the nail on the head. We choose to see doctors to try to get through this. She doesn't. Sure, not all doctors are in this for the money but I do wonder about pharmaceutical companies. And yes, they (some doctors) are taken out and wined and dined to get them to use their "medicine".

    At first I was a bit taken back because Em, being Em, gave her honest opinion on the topic. There are two sides to everything and she has seen both and chose to handle her cancer her way (with great success too). We happen to see the one side. I didn't feel like she was insulting at all but that's me and I know that's Emily.

    You certainly are entitled to your opinion Tina, I'm not here to tell you that but we are often the "test pilots" for many of the drugs that are being used to help cure cancer.
    -phil

    NED right now.....
    But on my last chemo visit my ONC told me to eat healthy, drink plenty of water, exercise 30 minutes a day, sad he will see me in 6 months for a scan. When I went back for my job issues, he wrote a letter to my boss told her basically to leave me the hell alone or my cancer could reoccur.

    He didn't want me to stress, he insisted I take an antidepressant, and they have worked so well for me, I AM TOTALLY surprised. I didn't realize that I was starting to be a real b....., but my husband never said anything. He said he knew it wasn't me that I would be back. Man, I mean I laughed, cracked jokes but, had little patience with my husband. But that has changed. I feel good every day. My husband actually says I laugh at what he says or with him now instead of hearing me laugh with others.

    It's amazing because I am the girl with the smile on her face all the time, never in my life thought I would need meds.....not be disrespectful here, just myself! JUST STAY AWAY CANCER!

    **********

    Oh and on the subject. We all respect each other here as we are all fighting the same battle. I am trying Emily's way, but some times, I give in to temptation. No one here is out to insult, just take the information, use it if need be and throw the rest over your shoulder. I appreciate Phil's insight because there is always something to learn and most of all, we can maybe pick something up that we didn't think of. Thanks to everyone! The meds must be working!