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I started taking 1mg of ativan to help with sleep. I have been fighting on and off for 5 years now. My doc wants me off the ativan becuase it is addictive...well if it is...then I must be addicted because I have taken it for so long.
She wants me try an anti-depressant called Trazodone...I have 50 mg. so slowly come off the ativan and use the trazodone.

Does anyone have experience with this drug??? druggist said nausea...now that is a state we all look forward to....NOT NOT NOT. I also take effexor as an antidepressant so this one is supposed to be a sleeping pill.

thanks so much

mags

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Hi, Mags

Don't know the Trazadone. When I needed to take something for sleep, I would take (as needed) Lunesta 3mg tablet. It worked pretty good.

They said it was addictive to, but I always stopped cold turkey with no issues. I just don't get addicted to pills of any kind though.

Lunesta is effective...I took Ambien too, not the CR...almost tried that one but they gave me the Lunesta instead and it did work.

Something to consider.

-Craig :)

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years ago used trazadone to counter prozac- insomonia can be such a problem when taking anti-depressants. I totally loved trazadone! It worked very well- the dose was difficult to get adjusted, 50mg would leave me so groggy during the day- I eventually got down to half of a half pill. I would say I was unusal, most people need at least 50 if not more.

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I use the following website to research any med. The people posting
at that forum are just like you or me; they have nothing to gain by
giving a good or bad report.

Use the side effects they mention as a guide for what to expect
from the med you are prescribed. The posters tell you what the
manufacturers and doctors don't. Look for "themes", repetition
of bad effects.

Trazodone

Ask A Patient .com

Good luck.

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thank you everybody....that really helps. I think antidepressants must be hard to get off too....I know if I forget an effexor....by about 5pm i start hearing strange sounds roaring in my ears.

mags

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I was prescribed it by my onc. to help with my nausea. All it really does is knock me out. So, I only take it for a couple of days during treatment. I'm not experiencing any addictive issues with it yet. Actually, I don't like being knocked out like that and have relied more on the Compazine. So, I can take it or leave it really. As far as sleeping, I just go with what my body tells me. Of course, I was up most last night watching crap tv.

-DJ

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Hi DJ i have taken the ativan regularly for at least 4 years....i am a terrible sleeper and I have definitely come to depend on it.

I didn't mind not sleeping with chemo...which I have done 3 times but now for just a couple of months i would sorta like to feel like a semi-normal person....hahahah

mags

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I used to work at a juvenile correctional facility as a nurse.

The psychiatrist prescribed trazodone a lot to the kids there to help them sleep. Some would take 50mg, while some took 250mg to sleep. Trazodone is a very good drug though, and the kids didn't have the sluggish feelings that a lot of adults end up with. He found that he could wean them off the trazodone and start giving them melatonin.

Melatonin is a hormone our brain makes naturally. It was what told us that it was time to go to bed. Unfortunately, as we get older, our brain makes less and less melatonin, hence the sleepless nights. You can buy it over the counter for pennies. He'd prescribe anywhere from 3mg to 9mg and the kids slept just as well during the night.

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oh thank you Holly....that is so helpful. glad to hear from you....that really helps.

mags

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Take Ativans, but only when needed. I really try to just fall asleep on my own. I just started reading the Percy Jones series of books, so I also try to read before I fall asleep...watching TV before bed isn't good, it's something that stimulates your brain where it will take longer to fall asleep. I have never heard of Trazodone, I remember my doctor saying she really hates to prescribe sleeping pills, because they are so addicting, and for me to take Benadryl, which will help, but I can't take that stuff, it makes my skin crawl, or itch, I haven't taken ativan all week, I feel once it's out of your system, if you can try a week without anything, I sleep better now...just experiment, by even reading, and maybe having some chamomille tea.

But I did also see through watching Dr. Oz, like Holly said, Melatonin was a nice natural pill to take that is supposed to help you sleep as well. I may even try it for those nights I feel wired out during chemo. :)

Hugsss!
~Donna

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Of interest?

Both Melatonin and Serotonin are made by the liver, etc., and are
depleted when the liver is being taxed by a burden of toxins.

(In TCM, symptoms of depression, anxiety, anger, etc., along with
heart-rhythm problems, are treated by helping the liver generate the
needed chemicals)

Taking supplements only causes the organ responsible for what you
are trying to replace, to have a better reason for not trying to replace it.

The synthesized medications are foreign to our body, and are treated
as toxins by the liver and kidneys, furthering the problem.

"Things you didn't want to know?"

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since around June when I switched over from Xanax. Take usually 1 mg at night but at times 1/2 to 1 mg more.Still don't sleep more than a few hours.
Trazadone is good for sleeping tho also an antidepressent. Watch for weight gain and dry mouth.....Steve

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oh good grief that doesn't sound good John and

Steve??/ weight gain??? good grief....

mags

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I used to take Trazadone, but that was for depression and didn't help me sleep much. That was years ago. I take Ambien now to help me sleep and Lexapro for anxiety. I hear Lunesta is really good for sleep disorders, but I haven't had that.

-Sheri

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Hi Mags,
So good to see you around. :) I am not speaking from experience but people close to me have used Melatonin to help with sleep. It is in the health food store and it is the natural element that helps us feel sleepy (over simplified). I've heard it is very effective.

Best to you.

Aloha,
Katheen

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I surely sound like charlie brown??? or lucy....who was it that said good grief????

nice to see you too Kathleen....how is that boy of yours doing?

hugs, mags

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It worked great!!!

Brooks

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oh thank you Brooks.....how long where on it?

lcarper2
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they gave me ambien cr and I would wake up in the middle of the night in the living room stripped naked lol lol now if I were 20 that would be cute but I don't think there is anything cute about me naked I scare myself if I look in the mirror lol I take the pm they advertise on TV works great...and I stay dressed all night...

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"Good grief, Charlie Brown."
-Craig

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Love the trazadone.

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I have been taking 1 mg of ativan (lorazapam) for 4 yrs now ,sometimes 2 mgs a night
it does not make me sleepy ,it just helps me relax so i can sleep.
i usually sleep 7 hrs straight,when i take it .
sometimes i have forgotten to take it and i have trouble sleeping,
but no withdraw or any other problems from not taking it.
my amswer if my doctor said he wanted me off it because i might become addicted??!!.....
I HAVE STAGE IV CANCER,WHO CARES IF I AM ADDICTED TO AN ANTI ANXIETY DRUG???!!!!
ativan also helps with nausea and helps calm muscle cramps.
it is in the valium family and relatively mild
this other drug they want to give you sounds a bit heavy

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just looked up trazodone in my drug book
used for depression,cocaine withdraw,alcoholism,panic disorder,agoraphobia
insomnia,and aggressive behaviors.
has caused increased thoughts of suicide in teenagers.
the list of common side effects are too long,i can't type that long
without my fingers getting cramped.
before taking any thing i always look it up at least on the internet
google: trazodone ,desyrel or desyrel dividose
I'll stick with my little ativan
but thats just me.everyone has to do what is best for them
but PLEASE do it INFORMED !!

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I have not taken the Trazodone. I took ativan when I had treatments to help with nausea. It always put me to sleep. I have been thinking this weekend about asking for something for the nerves. Mine are shot right now after learning of mets to the lungs, now stage 4, and having to start chemo again this week. I have been contemplating halving the ativan pills I have left over, 1mg. They are scored. I have been taking Ambien 5mg for sleeping. It works for about 4-6 hours. Then I wake up and the nerves start going again and can't get back to sleep.

I hope you figure out what to do. It's always such a balancing act. Hugs
Bear

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i agree with you Kate...i think I would be happy just to keep truckin along with the ativan....I am not a very good patient....when I get in a doctor's office my blood pressure might be 160 whereas as home it is 120....I just panic ...I get lost after entering any medical situation ...if I am even vaguely NED I just panic and want out of there. I so admire people who persist...not me....I'm, gone

mags

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Mags,
you have to remember,you are in charge of your health
not your doctors
my doctors are always telling me "you are the boss"
they know more than me,and they give me the options,
but the final decision is mine.(and yours)
fortunetly for me, I really trust my doctors,and I research everything they tell me,
in fact my onc has started handing me computer print outs whenever we discuss a new option.
if you don't want to take this new drug,just say so. I'm sure he will either leave you status quo,or come up with another option.
good luck

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I halved the ativan at times.
I take the least amount that will do the job
Of course don't try that with heart medication,or any other drug that is dose
controlled.

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hi, I work in the social service field and my job is to compile an extensive social history on the individuals I work with. Most of them find Trazadone very effective as a sleep aid with little or no side efects.
As for the Ativan, my personal opionin is...if ou need it, take it. If it works for you take it. I would not worry about becoming addicted/dependent on the Ativan. YOu may find that the Trazadone is not as effective for you. You have a lot going on and it should be the least of your worries. You can worry about that at some time in the future. As for now..take the Ativan if you need it.
when I got pregnent I was taking Ativan every night as a sleep aid. I worked great!! My Dr. siad I needed to come of it immedicalty as it can damage the fetus. I was put on Ambien for a while to replace the Ativan and I never felt that it worked. I spent many of sleepless nights. That was a totally different stiry of course. My advice to you is, you have to sleep. If you need the Ativan..take it and don't give it a second thought. You can worry about getting off in the future.
That is just my opinion and I'm sure mnot every would agree with it.
Best of luck tou you!!!
Amy

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