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WinneyPooh
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OMG, my crazy step grandmother just sent us a box of meat, Isn't meat what got us into this mess in the first place. I would have rather her sent money, not Meat!!
Winney

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That's too funny. I hope it's got lot's of grizzle on it.
I agree, some lettuce ($$$) would be better.
-phil
I recently learned that native Hawaiians LOVE SPAM. They have SPAM festivals and places on the beaches where you get fried SPAM. So let's see...they give up pineapples and we gave them SPAM.

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The popularity of Spam in Hawaii is not confined to native Hawaiians. My wife says our locals of Japanese ancestry like it even better -- a favorite is Spam musubi. But really, the whole world loves Spam. I think I recall seeing the Food Network's coverage of Spamarama in Austin, Texas.

--Greg

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Spam is something that caught me completely by surprise when we moved to Hawaii. We have lived here 10 years and I have managed to not try it once. Yes, I have gone hungry at some parties but.......
Aloha,
kathleen

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Maybe you should have a barbeque,and invite the neighbors.But you do have a point.

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I'm sure she thought she was being helpful. *smiles*

Anyway, I gave up red meat many years ago, long before I got colon cancer. Didn't do me a bit of good on that score.

*hugs*
Gail

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Did she send some fiber with that? or maybe she should send you some bacon grease and fried chicken later. I`m kidding. I know she had good intentions and wants you to be well nourished. Just tell her to send money or a large bag of tossed salad next time or pick up the tab for your next surgery.

Eric } : . }

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and speaking of Spam... when I was in Alaska in the mid 80's, there was a bar in Anchorage called the Fly-by-Night club in Spenard that had Spam on the menu. They served it free if you ordered Dom Perignon champagne. The local band that played there was called the Spamtones.

Leslie

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My husband tells me genetics plays the most part in getting cancer. I don't know how that could be. My grandmother (my Mom's mother) is 104 and going strong. There has never been anyone with cancer on either side of my family. My grandmother had 12 brothers and sisters and all but two lived to be in their 90's. Those two had heart conditions. My Dad's side all lived to their 80's and died of heart conditions. It sounds like I should have a heart attack instead of cancer.
Also, my grandmother eats two fried eggs each morning with either fried bacon or ham and two homemade biscuits (yes, she still cooks). I don't think my grandmother has ever not fried her food or made vegetables without bacon grease.
My feeling is getting cancer is not from genetics, not from the food you eat, but from God showing how much he really doesn't care what happens to us down here.

Debbie

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That's funny.

Fight for my love
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Hi Debbie,I agree with your husband's opinion.Recently we just found out many people from my husband's mom's side got cancer.I think the gene plays very important role,at least this put you in a high risk.My husband's grandma(mom's mom)got uterine cancer and she died of it,then my husband's mom got the same cancer in her thirties,but she found it early,then she got totally cured,now she is almost 70.So I think this at least proved that the gene you inherit from family is really important.

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God bless her heart, she was being thoughtful...

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I think it's a lot of things that cause cancer. Genetics, diet, environment, bad luck...mix it all together and what do you get?
Chemo cocktails

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I have a big family history of cancers, my grandparents and my dad had cancers, my mom she is cancer free. My mom is a vegaterian, and my dad is a meat- a-terian. My maternal grandmother had stomach, cancer and colon cancer and died in her 70 of side effects of cancer treatment, she fought for almost 20 years. My paternal grand fater from lung cancer ( heavy smoker). My dad had hodskins lymphomia, survived NED 12 years, Me i have had Hodskins also
stage IV, almost died, but lived, 10 years before they found this cancer, So i really believe genics plans a big role. Diet is important and i have to admit i was not the best at watching what i ate, I love hamburgers and had one atleast twice a week, mostly chicken and fish other days and big fruit and veggie eater, my big weakness is ice cream and dark chocolate.
I live in the south and get plently of sunshine, so i don't think that has much effect,

And lastly, I to have problems believeing Gods motives for letting cancer and other tragic events happen to good people, I have a real struggle keeping faith, but i know god sends angles to help us and prayers do work, and we all have a purpose. Finding meaning in our cancer canbe hard but we have to put a meaning on it so that it does not seem senseless and we give up.

I write on these discussion boards because it helps put thoughts of dispear, a side and help to clarify my mind, I aslo hope i help some ohters too.

(special commet to debbie, please don't loose faith, we sometimes have to live through difficult and horrific times to find the true meaning of Christ and God Love).

Hugs and Prayers
Winney

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Winney,

I respect your belief in God and any other faith, but I lost mine 10 years ago, 10 years before I had cancer. I won't go into everything, but I was raised in church, had my kids in church before they were two weeks old, taught youth, worked in VBS, sang in the choir, etc. I always believed that God wouldn't test my faith any further than He knew I could take. Then 10 years ago my daughter was in the hospital twice, my husband twice and me twice. I realized then that God just doesn't care that much. What happens happens and nothing or nobody can change it. So my belief in a loving, caring God ended and getting cancer just strengthens my understanding of how things are.

I know I have a lot of people praying for me. The rest of my family and my husband's family, my friends at work and my neighbors. If they believe their prayers are helping me, my power to them. I really appreciate this board and the fact I can write (type) what I want to and nobody will judge me for my views.

Debbie

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Hi Debbie

I hear the PAIN in your post and I was moved to talk to you a minute, if that's Ok?

I just wanted to give you another slant on your last post to Winnie. (Winnie, I'm sorry to break in here and hope you don't mind.)

Believe me, I understand how you could feel as though you've been "abandoned" and "forsaken" given all that you have gone through. Sometimes we get so angry and frustrated and God sometimes makes for an easy target for us to take it out on Him.

I've been down this path myself so in reading your post, it triggered me to think about it from your perspective and now I am hoping that you will listen to my story from your perspective.

You talk of losing faith - well back in 1986, I lost mine for awhile as well.

My sister, Suzanne, was tragically murdered by a 4x serial rapist. He kidnapped her at gunpoint, raped and sodomized her, pistol whipped her, strangled her with her own panties, and then threw her over the side of a cliff.

They found her clinging to a branch on the side of a hill face down - she was only recognizable by her class ring. My aunt and uncle had to identify the body and that was all that was recognizable...I think about that often. She was only 18 years old - 2 weeks from her graduation and her prom. A beautiful young woman with her whole life ahead of her. She believed in marriage and was saving herself for her husband - she was a virgin and I so respected her for her beliefs. For this to happen to somebody so good, just shook my faith and confidence in everything.

Shortly thereafter, one of my uncles committed suicide. He was like my big brother and we spent alot of time together as I grew up. Losing both my sister and my uncle in a short period of time forced me away from family and I tried to make my own way, thinking I would be ok alone.

In 2000, an F-3 tornado landed in our neighborhood and wiped us all out and could have killed us all, but luckily all of us survived. With wind speeds up to 200mph, it attacked without notice and within a couple of minutes, everything that I owned and worked for was gone, just like that.

From the years 2004-2009, I have had Cancer now 3x and was just re-diagnosed for the 3rd time last week. Just recently, my wife was getting tests done because it looked like she had Cancer too. We're running more tests right now to determine that.

So believe me when I tell you that I UNDERSTAND completely when you tell me that God would not continue to test your faith and give you more than you can handle. I've been asking myself the same thing just this week alone while waiting for some of my wife's test results.

The IRONY in all of this, is that I still maintain a good and positive attitude despite the events that have happened in my life.

I think it would be easy for me to "Put a stamp on it and MAIL IT IN." I might even be justified if I did that. But I've come to a point in my life, where I've had to accept the bad things that have happened to me and move on with Life with whatever I can carve out, before it's my time to check out of here.

Cancer was the final piece of the puzzle for me - I was either going to give up or keep going...to me there was no option but to keep going. My whole life has been a struggle and I've never quit at anything, so I just keep moving forward and keep my chin up and my head held high, and my dignity intact.

I've tried to use my life as an example to others on what Life can throw at you - and more importantly WHAT YOU DO as a person to learn from those experiences and HOW TO HANDLE them with as much grace and dignity as you can. It's not easy, but I figured I have lived through some TRIALS in my life - I ask myself how can I take my experiences and use them for the betterment of Mankind and possibly influence and inspire someone else who is having tragedy in their lives. This is what helps me COPE with what Life has thrown at me.

I'm still standing and I'm still GROWING. I don't know how much time I've got and what's still in front of me, but what helps me now is trying to help people with their pains and struggles - to listen to them and try to help and support them. I feel it has given my life purpose.

I don't belive that God gives us Cancer - I've been down that road too. If that were the case, then why are the childrens's wards full of young cancer patients? I talk to a guy at work who has a 4-year old daughter with leukemia - she has a port and is getting chemo. Why is that? I don't know.

I don't have all the answers to alot of Life's questions and to what I see in the world going on. There are over 5-billion of us on the planet and I know many people have it far worse than I ever could imagine. So, that keeps me centered. It could be that God is just very busy with everything...or it could all be one big crap shoot...I just don't know sometimes.

I believe that we all have our TRIALS in Life - it's how we HANDLE those trials that truly DEFINE who we are and what we are made of. As for me, I know Loss and Tragedy, but I also know I'm way ahead of the game too and I must find a way to use my life to help others and be a joy and blessing to whomever I can touch with the days that I have left. If there is something for me at the end of the rainbow, well, we are all going to find out the answer to that $64,000 question aren't we? I hope there is something on the other side...I've heard no more pain and no more sorrow....and my sister could be on the other side too...what a happy reunion that would be!

I could read you were hurting and it made my heart hurt too and so I'm sorry to have butted in but just felt the need to talk to you this afternoon. I am sorry that things have not worked out for you just yet, but maybe there are more good things coming your way that you can't even see yet out there on the horizon. You may be able to use your tragedy and your experiences to help someone else one day who is hurting as you are today - as I was hurting once upon a time - and I still hurt when I think of those things. But, here I am talking to you today, hoping that I can help ease some of your pain, if only for a minute or two.

Just know that me personally and we on the board do care about you - I care about you and that is why I have written you today. You are not alone in your struggles...please don't let the bad times interfere with the rest of your life.

You are right that what happens...happens. But how can I turn a lemon into lemonade? God may indeed bless us all one day - but He is testing us now to see how we handle things on Earth and what we do with our lives to help each other get through it first.

I am not judging you at all - I am glad that there is a place like this that you can speak your feelings too...that's what makes Our World here so great - the freedom of expression.
I respect your right to feel the way that you do. I'm hoping that my story gives you another perspective on things...I've been there too. But, I decided to not let those events ruin my life and that there is much left for me to do. I have found this board and am channeling all of my energies into helping and supporting everyone, because it makes me feel so good when I have connected with someone.

I want to THANK YOU for your post today - and THANK YOU for allowing me to tell mine and get some of this off my chest as well. We all learn from each other and that's what I find beautiful about all of the people here on the board. That's what makes Life go 'round - learning and helping each other. None of us are alone in what we've been through. I hope some of what I said has helped you some. If not, that's OK too...I just felt the need to try and wanted to talk with you, because I can't stand to see people in pain and suffering.

You are an incredibly strong woman...much stronger than you give yourself credit for. I have no doubt with this type of tenacity, that you will give your cancer fight all that it can handle. Redirect your anguish and suffering towards the Cancer - what an amazing story will you be able to share with everybody some day - look what happened to me and I overcame it!

I want you to take care...if it's OK, I will also pray for you that things will get better for you and your family - just keep pluggin'.

Sincerely
-Craig

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Now this is coming from someone who is mostly an agnostic but raised catholic and went through 8 years of catholic school so keep that in mind. I don't think that God would test someone who believes in Him/Her with disease. I don't think it works that way, if he does exist I think there are other things going to occupy God other than giving or curing people from disease. There are countless people who do not believe and still are cured, just as there are many who are cured who do believe and many who die and believe in God.

If someone is very strong in their faith, I would hope they would not use cancer as being something that God gave as "test" or can take away. I think the idea of God is to be kind to your fellow...person and to try to live your life in a way that respects yourself, others, nature, basically everything around us. I think it's great to have people praying for me (or anyone). I just see it as them putting out positive healing energy (which I don't think the very religious like to hear it put that way, but that is how I feel about it).
To each their own as no one KNOWS for certain the answer.
That's my 2 cents on it.

I hope you feel better Debbie, life's rough at times.
-phil

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....Beautiful post my friend. I do believe in God, and like you, don't believe God gives diseases or is out to hurt people, and what you ask for is something he's supposed to, like some slave or something, we all have free will and free reign over our bodies, I believe he's there so that he can provide the life we always wanted after our life here ends, and that we will be reunited with our loved ones, you will see your sister again, and you will see your uncle again.

I lost my mother when I was 16 to leukemia, and my dad 4 years later. My grandmother and 2 favorite aunts all died within a few months of each other, I don't have much family, as most have gone from cancer. I have a feeling though that maybe I can break the cycle and live longer with cancer then my family ever had...they never had a chance, back in the '80's there wasn't much you can do, and once someone in my family got cancer, they were gone within a month...my lovely mother was gone just 19 days after her diagnosis. Strong one day, gone the next, life's too quick, and I like to think we weren't made here just to die. Something else has to happen, and what happens, is what I believe God's surprise, his afterlife, if we follow him, and how joyous it will be.

I don't think I got cancer from eating meat, I know it does run in my family, but precious life isn't made for nothing, our lives have to go somewhere, our souls are saved for somewhere, and I believe God will be there for us when it's our time.

Hugssss to all!
~Donna

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Hey, all what a great horrible day this has been,
I really like how these discussion allow us all to express our feelings in a safe non- judgeing forum, We all need that. Sometimes this is the only place we can.
You all each of you are very special people.
I enjoy reading and learning and it helps,

Hugs, Winney

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Phil, great post, Thank you...Bdee, your thoughts are certainly understandable, my mother lost a child (my sister)from polio in 1954. Yep, the year the vaccine came out. She also has her own belief and it is different from mine. I won't go into anything or try and sway any of your thoughts, for one thing I know how it feels to feel as if your whole world is crumbling in around you. We have certainly all been there, honestly thats when my faith got the bump that it had needed for a long time. I don't blame anyone or anything for my disease, never have never will, its just one of those life issues that we either deal with or we don't. I simply want the best for us all and however or whatever gets you through your journey is fine with me also, after a small discussion a while back I decided that its easier to console and try to help than it is trying to push religion to someone...I only mention it because it has brought me through this ordeal mentally and physically and has allowed me to deal with anything now that comes along.......Good Luck with your journey and if I can be of any help at all I will be first in line to help you........Bless ya....Clift

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I won't go into the God part, everyone did a great job here, but I honestly think that wine got me cancer. I loved having a glass or two of wine in the evening, and sometimes I would break out in a rash, it could be a mild and rash only on my face or it could be one drink and immedialty it would go to my face, chest, back, legs....I would take a benadryl and stop drinking it. One day my husband made a comment about the wine, that it couldn't be good for my body or my immune system. So I cut back to weekends only...well about a week later, I was diagnosed with cancer. There isn't an cancer in my family, my gradma is alive and 99 years old, she had 15 kids, no cancer, my mom had 9 kids and I got cancer. I was really a vegan, always had shied away from meat, fat, and sweets. I was happy with a plate of veggies and still am.

So, guess what.......no more wine, I miss a glass. The picture of the Margarita in my hand is wishful thinking and staged, it belonged to my friend or sister. I am allergic to all alchohol.

bdee
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and sorry Winnie for stealing your topic. I didn't mean to get it started on me. I really appreciate all the posts and expressions of faith and hope. Believe me I hear all this a lot from my family my parents, my parents-in-laws and my friends who haven't given up on God the way my husband and I have. I might have given a wrong impression about me, though. I am very upbeat regarding this cancer. I can have my doctor tell me he's not trying to cure me, just keep me comfortable for later and when he says I won't be around in three years. I don't believe him. I only believe that if I keep feeling this good, able to do what I can do and feel like I feel, the doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. I have had three days with about 6 hours of sleep yesterday, so I was kind of depressed. But usually I'm really upbeat about things and the one my kids and husband turns to for a laugh during this time.

Again, thanks again for all your caring,
Debbie

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I just think that's horrible that your "doctor" tells you that you won't be around in three years. Doe he have money riding on this???
Don't believe him because he is talking out of his you-know-what. No one knows how you will react to your treatments and YOU have the most control over how well you do. This is 90% attitude and the other half good medicine. If you don't care for your "doctor", find one who isn't betting on you being around in three years.

Wait, I have an idea, tell him you will pay your bills in 5 years and see what he says.
I bet he'll give you an extension!
:-)
hang in there
-phil

bdee
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The way my insurance is paying, it will be five years before he gets his first payment, anyway.
I've read the statistics on my particular kind of cancer and going for five years will be an outstanding achievement.
Believe me, though, when I say no matter what the doctor says, I won't give up. I have an eighteen month old granddaughter born at l lb. 10 oz. still alive, well, and strong today. The doctors, when she was born, didn't even give her two weeks. I know what fighting can do and I intend to fight with all my might and with the help of my family. With or without this doctor.

Thanks,
Debbie

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Debbie, your comment about the insurance is even funnier!

Statistics are so outdated. I should have been dead a while ago and I don't think I am (?). There's good information on the internet, and bad information on the internet. It's hard to sort it out but don't go by that 5% 5 year survival stuff.

That is GREAT about your granddaughter. You'll probably see her graduate college and have babies and all.
-phil

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Hi Debbie,

I'm one of the other Debbie's on the forum. I use gramma debbie to distinguish between us. I'm so sorry to hear all th at you have been going thru. I just wanted to tell you that I know how much those grandbabies can make us fight. I have 6 now and they are all as special as the first. They bring me such joy and their little smiles can brighten the worst of days. I know when I was in the hospital and they would come to visit and when chemo had me down they kept me hopeful of recovery.

I read your post about God and certainly understand it and am not judgemental at all. I am a Christian and will pray for you if thats ok. Life sure can throw us some curve balls. When you get down, you just think about that precious little grandbaby and it will strengthen you.

Peace and Strength to you,

Debbie (gramma)

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Winney,

I eat red meat so you can send it to me! Seriously, I think that was a thoughtful gift and I would be happy to accept it graciously.

Kimby

PS. My new neice is named Winney, born 7/29/09.

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