This may be a stupid question, but

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DianeBC
DianeBC Member Posts: 3,881 Member
edited March 2014 in Breast Cancer #1
Does the larger your tumor is, possibly mean that your cancer is more aggressive than the

smaller tumors? It just seems that many of you that had large tumors had to have chemo and

the ones with small ones didn't. I may be wrong, but, I just started noticing this.

Thanks! Diane

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  • Moopy23
    Moopy23 Member Posts: 1,751 Member
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    Well....
    Not necessarily. A small tumor can also be a very aggressive cancer that was caught early.

    Hope this helps some, Diane.

    p.s. Just wanting you to know there are no stupid questions here.
  • Kylez
    Kylez Member Posts: 3,761 Member
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    Moopy23 said:

    Well....
    Not necessarily. A small tumor can also be a very aggressive cancer that was caught early.

    Hope this helps some, Diane.

    p.s. Just wanting you to know there are no stupid questions here.

    I agree with Moopy, there is
    I agree with Moopy, there is no such thing as a dumb question. I was thinking along the same lines though as you, that the larger tumors seemed to be the most aggressive because they seemed to always take chemo. Like any tumor over 2cm is always given chemo. I do think that is the norm, isn't it?
  • Christmas Girl
    Christmas Girl Member Posts: 3,682 Member
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    My tumor was very small...
    And qualified as "early detection" (by its size)... Yet, is was extremely aggressive. Pre-surgery, only rads were recommended. Post-surgery, chemotherapy was added.
  • fauxma
    fauxma Member Posts: 3,577 Member
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    Kylez said:

    I agree with Moopy, there is
    I agree with Moopy, there is no such thing as a dumb question. I was thinking along the same lines though as you, that the larger tumors seemed to be the most aggressive because they seemed to always take chemo. Like any tumor over 2cm is always given chemo. I do think that is the norm, isn't it?

    Perhaps it is not that they
    Perhaps it is not that they are more agressive but that they have spread more and there is more of a chance that small cells have escaped into outlying tissue or into the vessels. These are small cells and I am thinking that the larger the tumor the less contained it might be. And Moopy is right a small tumor could be a grade 3 (poorly defined) and therefore more agressive. So much goes into deciding treatment. I think that based on past studies and recurrences they have 2cm as a cutoff for definitely doing chemo and for tumors less than that they look at everything in the diagnosis. Again, just my thoughts.
    Stef
  • Jeanne D
    Jeanne D Member Posts: 1,867
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    My tumor was very small...
    And qualified as "early detection" (by its size)... Yet, is was extremely aggressive. Pre-surgery, only rads were recommended. Post-surgery, chemotherapy was added.

    It is interesting, isn't it,
    It is interesting, isn't it, to read how everyone's bc is so different.

    The main thing I knew for sure, was that any tumor over 2cm was treated with chemo. I remember just praying, please let mine be under that. And, thank goodness it was a lot less.

    You really don't know a lot until after surgery, like Susan wrote.
  • Kristin N
    Kristin N Member Posts: 1,968 Member
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    Jeanne D said:

    It is interesting, isn't it,
    It is interesting, isn't it, to read how everyone's bc is so different.

    The main thing I knew for sure, was that any tumor over 2cm was treated with chemo. I remember just praying, please let mine be under that. And, thank goodness it was a lot less.

    You really don't know a lot until after surgery, like Susan wrote.

    No question is ever stupid!
    No question is ever stupid! So ask anything, anytime!

    Hugs, Kristin
  • tommaseena
    tommaseena Member Posts: 1,769
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    Kristin N said:

    No question is ever stupid!
    No question is ever stupid! So ask anything, anytime!

    Hugs, Kristin

    My tumor
    My tumor was under 2 cm but was DCIS with invasion. Turned out to be aggressive type brc HER2 neu+ so chemo was the option for me.

    Margo
  • aurora2009
    aurora2009 Member Posts: 544 Member
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    My tumor
    My tumor was under 2 cm but was DCIS with invasion. Turned out to be aggressive type brc HER2 neu+ so chemo was the option for me.

    Margo

    my tumor was small
    IDC and DCIS, only 1.4cm with 5 out of 5 nodes clean, stage 1 grade 2 intermediate, ER/pr+ HER2-, all good signs but besause of my age (45) my surgeon thinks the onco will recommened chemo.

    Guess I'll find out soon now :)

    But I agree with Jeanne, it just goes to show that we are all different and so are our Drs.

    Aurora
  • TraciInLA
    TraciInLA Member Posts: 1,994 Member
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    My tumor
    My tumor was under 2 cm but was DCIS with invasion. Turned out to be aggressive type brc HER2 neu+ so chemo was the option for me.

    Margo

    Chemo or no chemo
    Once my surgery was over, and my oncologist had the pathology report in his hand, the reason he gave for why chemo was optional for me was the combination of size + lymph node involvement. I had 3 tumors all less than 2 mm, and no lymph node involvement. His view was that it was those two factors *in combination* that made chemo optional for me. (But I'm doing it anyway.)

    He was also taking into account that my tumors are ER+/PR+, so I should respond well to Tamoxifen. It was clear to me that he was taking everything into consideration, not just size...even though size does matter....;-)

    And Diane, *please* don't call your questions stupid, because then how does that make MY questions look?!? And I'm an only child, so it's all about me, me, me, you know! :-)

    Traci
  • Eil4186
    Eil4186 Member Posts: 949
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    It is not only large tumors
    It is not only large tumors that necessitate chemo. Generally most invasive tumors over 1 and a half cm usually get chemo even with negative nodes. Mine was 1 and a half cm and my nodes were negative and I had 8 rounds of chemo. I think the pathology of each tumor also comes into play.
  • jnl
    jnl Member Posts: 3,869 Member
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    my tumor was small
    IDC and DCIS, only 1.4cm with 5 out of 5 nodes clean, stage 1 grade 2 intermediate, ER/pr+ HER2-, all good signs but besause of my age (45) my surgeon thinks the onco will recommened chemo.

    Guess I'll find out soon now :)

    But I agree with Jeanne, it just goes to show that we are all different and so are our Drs.

    Aurora

    Aurora, I wouldn't think you
    Aurora, I wouldn't think you would have to take chemo. Does age really have something to do with it? There are others here older, with bigger tumors and they aren't taking chemo. This is confusing.
  • aurora2009
    aurora2009 Member Posts: 544 Member
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    jnl said:

    Aurora, I wouldn't think you
    Aurora, I wouldn't think you would have to take chemo. Does age really have something to do with it? There are others here older, with bigger tumors and they aren't taking chemo. This is confusing.

    I know it is for me too
    Maybe the re-incission they did yesterday has something to with it, I still don't know if the margins came back clean or not yet. Probably won't til Monday.

    If they do, then when I see the Onco, I'm going to request the Oncotype Dx test, just to see what my scores are. I think that should probably be included in the dicision making process for me and the Oncologist. My surgeon says that because I'm still young (45 LOL) and pre-menopausal that I have more time for a reaccurance, and that's what leads her to think that the Onco will recommend chemo.

    From everything that I've read here I would think chemo may be questionable too. But I guess we'll see, if they tell me that I should do chemo, then I will, I want to conquer this beast, by whatever means I have to use.

    Aurora

    Kinda wondering what I'll look like bald too :0 (sorry that's just the pain meds still working) LOL
  • survivorbc09
    survivorbc09 Member Posts: 4,374 Member
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    Eil4186 said:

    It is not only large tumors
    It is not only large tumors that necessitate chemo. Generally most invasive tumors over 1 and a half cm usually get chemo even with negative nodes. Mine was 1 and a half cm and my nodes were negative and I had 8 rounds of chemo. I think the pathology of each tumor also comes into play.

    The others are right, there
    The others are right, there is NO dumb question. And, I admit that I thought the same thing. I thought that the larger the tumor the more aggressive it is.

    May I ask why you had chemo Eli? Your tumor was under 2cm and your nodes were negative.
  • Crystlesmom
    Crystlesmom Member Posts: 20
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    The others are right, there
    The others are right, there is NO dumb question. And, I admit that I thought the same thing. I thought that the larger the tumor the more aggressive it is.

    May I ask why you had chemo Eli? Your tumor was under 2cm and your nodes were negative.

    My tumor was .4 mm and in
    My tumor was .4 mm and in two nodes......chemo for me!! Everyone kept telling me it was nothing!! LOL
  • Kristin N
    Kristin N Member Posts: 1,968 Member
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    My tumor was .4 mm and in
    My tumor was .4 mm and in two nodes......chemo for me!! Everyone kept telling me it was nothing!! LOL

    I understand if your nodes
    I understand if your nodes aren't clean that you have to have chemo. But, some had chemo and their nodes were clean. I think that is where some of the confusion is coming from, besides the size of the tumor.

    Kristin
  • faithandprayer
    faithandprayer Member Posts: 177
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    Diane - I have not responded to your post simply because I had no clue but I think it's an excellent question with interesting information. I always learn so much in here!
    KC