ileostomy or not?

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Jaime4
Jaime4 Member Posts: 20 Member
edited August 2022 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I had surgery 4 wks ago, half of my rectum removed and part of my colon. I had no ileostomy. A friend who will be having the same surgery in 2 wks told me their doctor said they have never heard of anyone having this type of surgery without a ileostomy. Is there anyone who has been in my similar situation without having a ileostomy? Thank you!
Christine

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  • Starleen
    Starleen Member Posts: 40 Member
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    I have! I think lots of folks here have. It's weird that your friend's doctor would say that. My doctor told me an ileostomy might be a possibility, but I woke up bag-free. He fashioned a new rectum. Things feel way different, and almost ten months later I'm still getting used to it. You'll have to go to the bathroom a lot more often, and if you are doing chemo that might be rough, so make sure you ask for something to stem the frequency a bit to give your bottom a rest. My oncologist prescribed Lomotil and it really helped.

    I'm a little worried for your friend. Perhaps she has a tumor really low and the rectum can't be saved?

    It's hard either way, I think. It also gets better each day. I promise.
  • JoanMar
    JoanMar Member Posts: 19 Member
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    Each case can be different, but each Dr has a different point of view also, the ileostomy is a protective measure and perhaps that physician is just not comfortable with taking that chance. I am 3 weeks post op, was able to lobby for a laparoscopic procedure, with no ileostomy, was very happy when I woke up to say the least. Am doing well to say the least!

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    Hi! I’m in the same boat as the friend. Im stage 3 and my tumor is 9cm from the rectum, and the tumor is just over 2cm in size and my surgeon wants a temporary ileostomy. Should I get a 2nd opinion? I still have time as he wants me to go through chemo 1st and I haven’t even met with an oncologist yet.

  • JoanMar
    JoanMar Member Posts: 19 Member
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    Hi there, My tumor was stage T3bN1M0, and 13.3cm from the anal verge. Tumor was measured as 1.8cm on post treatment MRI, was 3.5 pre radiation and chemo. As far as the Lap and no ileostomy,  a lot depends on the experience and training of your surgeon. I was treated at a major university hospital with a great cancer center. My team, colorectal surgeon, chemo oncologist, and radiation oncologist met regularly to discuss my case at the tumor board meetings. Initially my surgeon was planning to do the open LAR with an ileostomy, after chemo. After much research on my part, I approached him with the Lap and initially he was opposed, but by the time I was done with chemo/radiation and ready for surgery he had a change of mind. He did caution me that if conditions were not perfect, he would need to change over to the open. Also agreed to omit the ileostomy, same caveat, things needed to look really good.  The Laparoscopy requires experience, skill and training and I was lucky my surgeon was very technically skilled. I am 73 and still working, I was able to work through chemo and radiation, 5 months, and am taking 8 weeks off to recover from the surgery. The Lap is a walk on the beach compared to the “big open surgery.” I feel great, TINY scars, no stoma. I am fit, 120 pounds, with no history of any other abdominal surgery.

    It would be beneficial to your peace of mind regarding your decision to move forward with your surgeons’ plans, to get a second opinion. That should not bother your surgeon at all. Also ask him if he has ever done this surgery with the Laparoscopic approach. It is gaining popularity in the US, and common in Europe, we seem to be a bit behind with some things. There may be good reasons why you do not meet the criteria that he would need to hook you up with no ileostomy, and/or do the Lap. Like you I had time during chemo to think about the surgery. Remember, you have to advocate for yourself.

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    JoanMar, Thank you for such a detailed and helpful response!! Im happy to hear this for you. It gives me hope. And thank you for the reminder to advocate for myself. So far, I feel like I’m being shuffled through a one size fits all process. Hopefully the oncologists appts will help set my mind at ease. 💗

  • JoanMar
    JoanMar Member Posts: 19 Member
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    Hi There, Hope you are doing well! I wanted to check in with you since it sounds like you are getting ready to start chemotherapy, and then have surgery. I wanted to offer any support I can to you during chemo. I learned a lot of lessons, but in hindsight when it came to the chemo drugs. The aftereffects can be difficult, what chemo regimen are you having? Take care and best of luck!

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    Thank you! That is so kind! They want me to start chemo and radiation at the same time 5 days a week for 6 weeks chemo drug is xeloda. I’m terrified of the side effects and pushed my start date off a week already. I’m 40 yrs old but all of sudden feel like a young child through all this tbh. Any knowledge you can share is appreciated. The drs just told me to practice my kegles and eat healthy. I’m vegan, and an aerial dance instructor so I already do that lol.

  • SandiaBuddy
    SandiaBuddy Member Posts: 1,381 Member
    edited May 2022 #9
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    You might want to take a look at whether taking cimetidine is appropriate at this point in time (old posts, or take a look at pubmed). Eating can be weird on Xeloda. Some people say not to eat your favorite foods on it, because you may never enjoy them again. . . For some, to keep your weight up, it makes sense to eat what you can tolerate (even if it is ice cream), but hopefully you will sail through without issues. Good luck.


    Cimetidine? — Cancer Survivors Network

  • Still_Here
    Still_Here Member Posts: 3 Member
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    I also took Xeloda during radiation- 5 days a week for 28 sessions (as well as with my IV chemo, oxaliplatin). I tolerated the Xeloda very well and had no trouble eating. I didn't lose weight, darn it. Your mileage may vary, but Xeloda was a no big deal for me.

  • Still_Here
    Still_Here Member Posts: 3 Member
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    I also took Xeloda during radiation- 5 days a week for 28 sessions (as well as with my IV chemo, oxaliplatin). I tolerated the Xeloda very well and had no trouble eating. I didn't lose weight, darn it. Your mileage may vary, but Xeloda was a no big deal for me.

  • fordmicah
    fordmicah Member Posts: 14 Member
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    I had a similar surgery in early July. They said there was a very slim chance that I would need an ileostomy, but I woke up with one.

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    Oh no. How are you doing? Any complications? How long are you supposed to have the ileostomy? I’m already traumatized from radiation. I literally have no butt cheek where they zapped me on the daily anymore. It’s like a weird depression there now.

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    i finished the 6 weeks. Xeloda killed my appetite and the cramping from radiation was so painful. It was awful. Lost 15 lbs. I was only 105 to begin with. I’m back up to 92 now.

  • fordmicah
    fordmicah Member Posts: 14 Member
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    Hello BP, I am used to the ileostomy now. Not gonna lie, it's not fun, but it's doable. I had a lot of issues after surgery with it. I got an ileus the day after surgery. That took about 4-5 days to resolve and then I had swelling in the small intestine that caused a blockage that sent me to the emergency room and I was readmitted the same day that I got out.

    The biggest long term issues for me are:

    1. Staying hydrated.
    2. I have to get up at night to dump it. I have very high out put, but that is getting better. Hopefully I can sleep through the night soon.

    When they put it in, they believed I was stage 1 and they told me that it would come out in 8 weeks. Once they biopsied the lymph nodes, they realized I was actually 3b and that I would need chemo and radiation after my initial surgery heals up and there would not be time to do a reversal surgery. So now I need the ileostomy for 6 weeks while my surgery heals, 6 months of chemo/radiation and 1-2 months after that while my body recovers. I'm looking at 9.5 months in total.

    Not exactly the news that I wanted, but it is my reality.

    I hope you are feeling better and I hope the depressions go away. I also hope your friend is ok. I not looking forward to radiation and I was surprised they wanted to do that since the tumor and the lymph nodes are all gone in that area.

  • JoanMar
    JoanMar Member Posts: 19 Member
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    never hearing of the surgery without an ileostomy is worrisome, is the surgeon a highly qualified colorectal surgeon or a GP surgeon.

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    Are you going to do the chemo/radiation? I guess they want to be sure to get it all? There could b one cancer cell floating around the MRI doesn’t see I suppose. I get a new Ct scan Tuesday. Hoping for a miracle as we all are. Regardless of the results, I booked a vacation for September lol.

  • fordmicah
    fordmicah Member Posts: 14 Member
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    Hello BP,

    They are going to do the chemo/radiation and that is exactly why. The oncologist says they just want to make sure.

    I asked him how they would judge the effectiveness of the Chemo/radiation, since my tumor is gone and my CEA levels are so low (0.6) already. He told me that after discussing that exact topic with other oncologists, they decided that I would be a good candidate for the circulating DNA test. He said that may be a good way to see if there is anything in my blood and if it is, that can be used to judge the effectiveness of the treatment.

  • brownpelican
    brownpelican Member Posts: 7 Member
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    Hope they get it all. Keep me posted please if you remember since I will likely have a similar path. Let me know if you have any questions about the radiationchemo combo side effects you might get. Wish you the best.