Red Meat! In the news again..... Are YOU still not convinced?

Re:
"Those who ate the most red meat, processed meat, and cured meat "

The "processed" and "cured" meat might be the problem, but as
carnivorous animals, we need a full and complete diet, and that
includes red meat.

The real problem with cancer, isn't "how we get it", it is why our
immune system isn't doing what it should to eliminate it.

Normally, our immune system destroys dead cells as it usually does,
but a cancer cell is a cell that didn't die; instead it survived and
continues to survive by the fermentation process. And for some
reason, our immune system has failed to recognize that the cell
doesn't belong within us.

-That- is the problem, not "red meat".

Each year they add thousands of "causes" to the list of things
that may or may not cause cancer. At one time, they claimed
coffee was, then came cranberries... what's next?

A healthy immune system is the best way for us to fight cancer,
and more often than not, it can do what no chemotherapy chemical
can ever do.... keep us alive.

And a healthy diet is the best way to have a healthy immune system,
since the immune system depends on 80% of what we're digesting.

But when we go in directions that are against the basic biological
requirements of our mere existence, we can suffer more than if
we just lived how we were designed to.

Eat foods that are not contaminated with chemicals and/or irradiated.

Eat a full diet consisting of all the foodstuff that normal carnivorous
animals need to survive.

It really doesn't take much more than that to be healthy.....

However.... the reason that some of us have an immune system
that doesn't always recognize a cancer cell being different than
a normal cell, should be discovered.

We should be insisting that our donations go towards solving that,
instead of more wasteful study of chemicals and treatment that
leave us stranded and dependent, rather than healthy and self-reliant.

Eat red meat; it's good for you.

dianetavegia said:

I can only take care of myself....
and you are free to eat as you like.

"I can only take care of myself"

Well.... I gotta' admit, you look a helluvalot better than me!
</wolf-whistle>


John

coloCan said:

I think its how well done you cook the meat that makes it toxic
I recall reading (somewhere) that its chemical changes done to red meat,like hamburger and steak-my favorites once-during its cooking that can contribute to colorectal cancer....In any event, currently consuming alot more fruit and vegetables and less meat as a result of how my appetite came back to me...(Don't bite if I'm wrong)....Steve

Never could stand the stuff. I still got colon cancer. I eat better/healthier than anyone in my family.I still got colon cancer.I give up.

Tonight I went to a wedding and washed my Xeloda down with a glass of champagne. Cheers!

Baaad Pat!

Jaylo969 said:

Never could stand the stuff. I still got colon cancer. I eat better/healthier than anyone in my family.I still got colon cancer.I give up.

Tonight I went to a wedding and washed my Xeloda down with a glass of champagne. Cheers!

Baaad Pat!

As they say
As is true in so many aspects of life, there's more than one way to skin a cat, or to get cancer, or to reach __________.

Cheers, bottoms up!
-p

What Causes Cancer - The Million Dollar Question
I realize what I'm saying may be VERY obvious to many of you, but there are always exceptions so I feel it's worth posting.

I think the thing with cancer and why it's such a tough nut to crack is that it's not caused by just one thing. There are people who smoke like chimneys and never get lung cancer, there are people who never smoke (not live with smokers) and get lung cancer. There are people who treat their bodies like temples and still get cancer then there are those who treat it like a garbage dump and live to be 100.

Numerous factors determine who winds up getting what. Of course, it's always a good idea to limit foods or environments that can be harmful, it's (mostly) common sense. A diet of all red meat is probably not the best thing for you but to cut it out of your diet is certainly no guarantee of being cancer-free. Some vegetarians do get colon cancer, some others are cavemen carnivores and don't. Personally, I would not live underneath high voltage electrical wires and I always use a headset when on my cellphone (which I limit anyway).

If cancer were only like a broken bone then it would be easier to fix...but it's not. That's why this subject, along with many others, will always have debate as to what causes it and how to prevent it.

On a side(dish) note I love deer too Kerry, especially as a ragout stew.
(smack!)

-p

dianetavegia said:

Djuric—a member of the U-M

Djuric—a member of the U-M Comprehensive Cancer Center—is also leading a study called Healthy Eating for Colon Cancer Prevention, in which she and colleagues are examining whether a Mediterranean diet can have preventive effects in the colon in persons at increased colon cancer risk. The diet used in the newly published study also should be applicable to prevention of many cancers, such as , breast cancer, Djuric says. More information on the current study, and how to participate in it, can be found at the University of Mcihigan Engage Web site.

Mediterranean diets have been associated with health benefits such as lower risks for cardiovascular disease and cancer, Djuric notes. Recent studies also have suggested that such a diet can increase longevity, but this data is from observational studies of Europeans who followed a traditional Mediterranean dietary pattern. The new research is the first time a method has been devised to achieve the major Mediterranean nutrient intakes using American foods, and American women were able to follow this diet.

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Colon cancer survivors who follow a Western diet are more likely to have a recurrence than survivors who follow a prudent diet, according to a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association. What's the difference between a Western diet and a "prudent" one, and how much impact can it have on colon cancer recurrence?

Western Diet versus Prudent Diet
According to the study, a Western diet contains a lot of meat, fat, refined grains, and sweets. A "prudent" diet, on the other hand, is centered around fruits, vegetables, poultry, and fish.

Impact of Diet on Colon Cancer Recurrence
Over a five-year period, the researchers tracked about 1,000 stage 3 colon cancer survivors who had been treated with surgery and chemotherapy. Those who followed a Western diet were more than three times as likely to have a recurrence than those who followed a prudent diet.

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The typical Western diet may be more than just hazardous to the health of patients treated for colon cancer. New research suggests it may be deadly.

Former patients in the study who ate the most red and processed meats, refined grains, fats, and sugars were about three times as likely to die or have their cancers recur as patients who ate these foods the least.

While there is no shortage of evidence linking the so-called Western diet to an increased risk for developing colon cancer, the study is among the first to examine the impact of such a diet on survival among patients treated for the disease.

The findings must be confirmed, but Dana-Farber Cancer Center oncologist Jeffrey Meyerhardt, MD, a researcher on the team, says they cannot be ignored by colon cancer patients or their physicians.

Based on these findings, Meyerhardt and colleagues identified two major dietary patterns: the “Western” diet, characterized by high intakes of red and processed meats, sweets, refined grains, and desserts, and a diet defined by the researchers as “prudent,” which was high in fruits, vegetables, poultry, and fish.

Patients were followed for roughly five years, during which time 324 experienced recurrences of their colon cancer and 223 deaths occurred among these relapsed patients. Just 28 deaths were recorded among patients with no evidence of cancer recurrence.

Colon cancer recurrences or death were nearly 3.5 times more common among patients who most closely followed a Western diet than among patients who followed it the least.

There's lots more........ just do a search.
U of Mich
I go to U of M for my treatment. I love the facility, the docs, and the wonderful studies that they do. This is a study in process. Previous studies have been very small...too small to be a good marker. My oncs all prefer that I eat WHATEVER sounds good. Including red meat.

I'm not saying diet isn't important. I'm saying that you need to stop blaming me for my cancer or my survival rate. I eat a balanced diet including chicken, fish, seafood, nuts, and yes, pork & beef. I eat veggies, I juice and I limit white carbs as much as possible.

The most compelling research I've found involves exercise. Moderate exercise 3 -4 times a week. You know...good old walking. I wonder if those researchers took into account that people who watch their diet that closely also exercise and get more rest. Taking 'total' care of oneself...Mind, Body, and Spirit.

Just cutting red meat from your diet seems overly simple in this complex disease we call cancer. Did they take into account stage, where the mets were, how advanced mets were...how large was the study stated in this article?

Food isn't the whole picture; I'm absolutely convinced of that! I get frustrated with these posts when they become argumentative (which you have made this Diane) because information is thrown back and forth like FACT. You have posted zero facts. Just unsubstantiated information.

Please stop blaming and pointing fingers. I'm here fighting for my LIFE. Not past tense. I've been in treatment for 2.5 yrs and have nearly died at least a dozen times, several of them very recently.

Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.

Kimby

ron50 said:

it was my lifestyle
When I was a little kid I was dx with a lung complaint called bronchiectasis. It was dx by a bubbling sound in my lungs which was supposed to be a build up of fluid in my lower lungs. In actual fact it wasn't and was a common old hiatus hernia which was allowing my stomache to intrude into my diaphram and rest on the lower lobes of my lungs. The treatment was two drops of creosote in a glass of milk every night for around seven or eight years. Creosote is now banned because of its carcinogenic nature. I also smoked for a while,ate quite a few large animals over the years plus a lot of fish,was never really that keen on the green stuff much preferred fruit(fresh or fermented). Loved cured foods ,adicted to salt. All in all it was amazing that I survived to 48 to develop cancer.
Now I don't smoke don't drink eat only low Gi food have been celibite for ten years have survived cancer for twelve years and am completely miserable.
My epitaph may well read on his last night he was seen eating a largr rare steak with fries washed down with gallons of red wine follwed by several liquers and a large cuban cigar. He was last seen alive entering a house of ill repute. Life is about the journey not the destination. Ron.

thanks for the laugh!
You go! My epitaph may read the same, minus the house of ill repute .
mary