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How to live a long life
is a link to a wonderful article about author/physician, Shigeaki Hinohara who is 97 years old and still working. I think we all could learn something from his outlook on life. Now, all the more reason I MUST MUST MUST lose weight :)

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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Hi Cheryl, I took a quick glance at the site, it looks very informative. I will get bookmark it for later.
I need to shed a few too.
Peace out...
-p

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Me too, when angel was ok weighing about 185 and me up and down . but when angel got sick he started losing weight and i was gaining. now he is 145 and i am 185 And this was since nov 07. I really feel big next to him But hey if i need to pick him up i think i could. I think mine is stress. This picture here of you i think you have lost some weight. Well anyway have a good day

michelle

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You are soooo right!! Any weight gain on your part, I would put 100% down to stress and now is not the time for you to be thinking, "Gee, I think I'll juggle a diet or a complete change in my way of eating". You just continue doing what you are doing and spending every free minute loving Angel and the weight loss can be thought of later :)

Phil, unless that is a super old picture of you, you don't look like you need to lose a pound... you look like you are at the ideal weight for your height!

Hahaha Michelle... it's all to do with camera angles . As anyone who has weight issues can attest to, we HATE getting our picture taken and if we do, we have to have hundreds taken before we will agree to one LOL! My current avatar, although of poorer quality (taken with the built-in computer camera), it is at a good angle so it actually looks like I have a thinner face and neck... so I scooped it up. I have a better one as far as quality goes, with me holding my adorable grand-niece (ok, I guess she is really a great-niece, but my sister LOVES being a grandma, so I keep telling everyone that little Kennedy is my grand-niece ) and you can definitely see that my face is not as thin as I'd like everyone to believe! LOL!!

Ok, I'll put it up, just because Kennedy is so darn adorable :) I know it takes about 24 hours for it to change to the new one, but stay tuned tomorrow ;)

When it comes down to it... I KNOW being overweight is not healthy whether you have cancer or not and no one who is overweight has ever lived a long, healthy life... but when I hear stories about others and how they can't keep food down during treatment and oncologists don't want ANYONE to lose weight while on chemo... I'm thinking that maybe my excess weight actually helped me get through the worst of chemo ;) Not sure if I'm just justifying being overweight or not, but I definitely didn't have the loss of weight issues and vomiting/weakness that others have had to suffer through.

Oh, I'll jump at anything to justify the excess poundage!! LOL!!

Huggggggggs,

Cheryl

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remember, Firefox requires you to hit CTRL and the Refresh button to update the pic. You don't have to wait 24 hours. I like this pic, you have it on your facebook!
mary

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Darn! I always forget you mentioned the CTRL/Refresh thingie. I know that's on the PC... not sure which keys those would be on the Mac. I have a Control and a Command.. but no Refresh :)

But hey, maybe I just have to click on the browser's refresh icon... I'll try that when I get home

Chery

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here's a link that might help mac hard refresh
mary

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Hot Diggety-Dog!! That Command/Shift/R worked like a hot darn! :) Now, will I remember it? I'm going to put a post-it note on my monitor... and hope I don't lose the post-it! I have given up relying on my memory! LOL!

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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It sits next to my at my desk so I can add new people/concerns as they come up while I'm roaming the internet. I even have code snippets written in the margins so I can remember how to insert different stuff on different forums I go to since they can be so different (some attempt to pre-process some of your code so you have to truncate the html code).
mary

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... since I'm sure you realize there is no prayer journal on my desk , in my purse or anywhere else I may be ;) Also, I would be in one heck of a mess if I had one book where I kept everything from my grocery lists to my html coding to the idiocyncracies between computer platforms ;)

For the most part, when it comes to online stuff, the "majority" of websites tend to operate the same way with basic HTML coding... there are only those few where you have to use proprietary software applications. Now, software/hardware idiocyncracies between the different computer platforms/Operating Systems... that's a whole other issue and one that, in all fairness, I haven't had to worry about too often... at least, not for the kinds of things I do online. If anything, usually my online work activities is behind the scenes, maintaining an existing website where I am either using open source code or if I'm really stumped, can fall back on the old school of manually applying HTML code. I don't think I've actually ever come across another website where I have had to use a Hard Refresh in Firefox.... a simple browser refresh or clearing of the cache has always worked in the past. CSN is the only site that I have had to use a Hard Refresh... and the only time at that is to refresh when changing the avatar picture. Other sites that I use an avatar picture, it changes without having to do a refresh of any sort... so obviously, your mileage may vary :)

But for the occasional blip like this, a post-it note works just fine... I now have two such post-it notes on my monitor... everything else falls in the scope of basic HTML or an understanding of the software app I'm using to update various webpages I do maintenance on :)

But it is interesting to hear how others, who also are in the biz of web maintenance do their personal reminders :)

Cheryl

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I know you don't have a prayer journal, but surely you have SOMETHING sitting near your computer that you use to record, say, passwords, or such?! I also have MUCH other stuff on my desk

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adorable picture of you and the baby! What a cutie. Have a good day.

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When you find the magic formula for losing weight, I want to hear about it! I've been walking like a fool all over town, and the scales are still being mean to me!

*hugs*
Gail

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I've found the secret. I'm on the chemo diet and have a viral mess crud that won't let up. I've lost 17 lbs in 3 wks. I now weigh less than I did in high school, go figure.

Kimby

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Gail... if I could only walk all over town like I used to, I know that would help big time with getting rid of the weight I have gained through the chemo, etc. That's part of my problem... not being able to walk like I used to.

The only "diet" that has ever worked for me has been the low carb/high protein. All the other diets (counting calories, counting points, weighing portions, etc) have not worked for me... I swear I'm one of the few people who have gained on them. Grrrrr! Different strokes for different folks/different metabolisms.

I am just going to have to buckle down and get back on the low carb diet that worked for me... as well, once the warmer weather gets here then that always helps too :)

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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Cheryl, Great picture and great smiles, both of you. I have gotten too busy and not been online lately. I finished round nine last week and there aint no stopping me now. Good to see you and will check that site.

MIke

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Thanks, Mike! My little Kennedy looks like a miniature adult... yet, she's only 7 months old in that shot. She is going to be a heart-breaker when she gets older... and something tells me she is going to be one mischievious little girl (which I will be egging her on, much to her mother's dismay)!! :D

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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love your pic cheryl. I seem to be a weirdo that puts weight on with chemo...anybody else ever do that ? so far I have put on about 12 pounds on the oxy/xeloda diet. I think because I feel nauseous so much of the time I just eat thinking maybe I'll feel better. Actually it works...I do feel less sick if my tum is jammed and of course because i hold the chemo card I think I should be be aboe to have the occasional treat like potato chips or or or:)
I need new pants....off to the thrift store I guess

mags

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Mags,
In my first bout with chemo last winter, I gained 8 pounds - irritating! It was a combo of fluids (I kept getting dehydrated and the would pump me up often) and eating to combat the nausea I think. I lost it after surgery. I am now down 20 pounds, and wouldn't mind at least 20 more!

BTW my doc was happy I gained weight. Go figure...LOL

Vicki

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Mags... I'm another weight-gaining-weirdo when it comes to chemo!! Seriously, I was one of those who just assumed that anyone who 1) has cancer and 2) has to have chemo, they are going to lose weight and it's one of those "fast" weight losses. I remember, prior to starting my chemo and being more than a little anxious about it (aren't we all when doing it for the first time?), I told my GP, "Oh well, let's look at the bright side. I have tried every diet known to mankind since I was a child and I KNOW over the years you have had your doubts that I wasn't following the plans correctly because I never lost more than a handful of pounds. NOW, for the first time in my life I'm going to lose all that weight I've tried so hard to lose all my life... so there is a silver lining to all of this." In hindsight, I realize that is not necessarily a good way to look at weigh-loss caused by chemo, but for me, it did seem like a viable solution.

Well, you can imagine how ripped off I felt when, not only did I not LOSE any weight... I GAINED weight!!! I asked my GP who I could sue for this "Guaranteed to lose" weight loss program and I didn't lose any? He tried so hard to keep a straight face but he ended up cracking up. He said, "Only you could find the humour in putting yourself on this extreme diet program and still not getting the results you wanted." I told him it was not funny... if I couldn't lose on the Chemo Diet, how the heck could he ever expect me to lose on a normal weight loss diet?? So he promised never to make losing a weight an issue with me again :)

Now, besides my resistence to losing while on chemo, I'm now considered "middle age", I've had a full hysterectomy (aka no estrogen production/menopause) AND I've had one of two adrenal glands surgically removed (aka as interferrence with the hormone producing machine)... so not only do I have a challenge to LOSE weight, I now have the ongoing battle of trying to stop the gaining of weight! Arrrrrgh!

I'm off to see my oncologist today... I think I will whine to her :)

Huggggggs,

Cheryl

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Mags,

I gained 20 lbs on folfox - I think it was the decadron. On folfori and now my current cocktail I continue to lose. It isn't going well all of a sudden and I don't recommend it! You are doing fine and I wouldn't worry about gaining until you are done with chemo. Eat whatever gets you through the day.

Kimby

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Yes... that decadron, although a rather wonderful anti-nausea med, it sure does play havoc with the appetite (just what I needed... more of an appetite ).

I'm sorry things aren't going well all of a sudden for you Kimby... you think it's the Folfiri that is causing you problems?

Huggggs,

Cheryl

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Hi Cheryl,

I just wanted to say, first of all, it's good to see you back here again & your picture with the baby is darling. My profile picture may not show it (I need to either delete or update my picture- I've said that before & still haven't done it)- but I have definitely gained weight & am at my heaviest ever (other than pregnancy weights). It doesn't show up as much in my face as it does everywhere else, but my face is fuller than my profile pic shows. I finally broke down and had to go buy a few new clothes at my "new" size. That's always a bummer, but I was down to just two pants that still fit- my others were all squeezing me to death!
I'm hoping the hand/foot syndrome will let up some in my feet & I'll feel less fatigued so I can exercise more. It's hard to walk much when going anything more than just around the block once gives me blisters on the soles of my feet. I get a bit of a break from the chemo now, so I'm planning on hitting the exercise routine (when I get over this horrible cold I have at the moment which, by the way, is just the first "regular" sickness I've had since my diagnosis in 8/07- kind of amazing). In my break from chemo (even if it's short), I'm starting today with the antioxidants and wheat grass juice to build my system up again and hopefully help me get my energy back.

An interesting sidenote, somewhat related- I saw an article yesterday that some professor is contesting past studies that had shown vitamin C was a hinderance to chemo working. He claims that the study involved giving lab mice a form of vitamin C that was not abscorbic acid, which is the form that people actually take. He claims that abscorbic acid vit C won't have the same negative effect on chemo's effectiveness. Nothing solid there yet- so I wouldn't assume he's right yet, without proof. It sure would be a shame to take chemo and then take something at the same time that would hinder its effectiveness. Anyhow, today's the day I'm going to start adding all the supplements high in antioxidants into my diet. I don't know how long my chemo break will be (still waiting for PET results to see about my "what's next" is), but I'm going to give myself some boosters in the meantime. I long for energy again!

Take care everyone,
Lisa

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Lisa Cheryl Vicki help
I can't believe it ....I am wearing overalls! denin overalls at 62 years of age. Good grief I feel silly but A) they go round the new-found girth B) they don't rub the 14 inch re-section scars

Maybe we should start a calendar like the Colon Club....yes sireee colon plus 2 resection plus appendix plus c-section////oh she's a pretty sight I want to tell you

:):):) mags

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Oh Mags... I just KNOW you would look absolutely ADORABLE in denim overalls!! Personally, I love thelook... its all about the shirt you wear underneath!! :) A cute gingham shirt, or a peasant type blouse with the scoop neck... absolutely adorable!! In the summer when it's hot and humid... then a tank top, solid colour or pattern... it all works!

So no, you don't need no help from us... you already have made a fashion statement (which I may now have to give some serious thought to copying!) :)

Huuuuugggggs,

Cheryl

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I live in sweats now! When I knew I was going to have chemo the first time, i bought out Penney's sweats section! They are comfy and don't constrict, AND they are handy for the frequent bathroom runs! No zippers, buttons, etc.

I didn't think of overalls...as an ex-farmer, I think I have some around somewhere. I love the calendar idea! I have appendectomy, tubal ligation, hysterectomy, resection scars....hummmm. Looks like a railroad yard on my midsection!

Hang in there girlfriend. Vicki

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Hi Kimby: I think that it is probably the decadron too. I am not really worried....it does seem ironic somehow. Sorry you are having a rough go of it. What kind of virus do you think you have and do you think it's because of your lowered immune system.

Mags

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Ack! Sorry Mags... I wasn't making light of your situation and to tell you the truth, I had a momentary brainfart and forgot you were still on chemo (and the meds that go with that). I'm sure that once you finish your chemo treatments, the weight will fall back to normal... meanwhile, I still think you should keep up that overall fashion statement! I like that look :)

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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Hubby had the same crud and didn't really get to 90% for about a month but he didn't need to miss any work, just really rest evenings and weekends. I'm, of course, bedridden from it. Here is the real story:

I was on liver radiation daily for 5 weeks along with continuing chemo. My rad onc warned me that the first week AFTER I finished would be the worst. I, of course, ignored that as it didn't apply to me. :) I finished rads on Tues, started a new cycle of chemo on Thurs, left Fri to visit my son at college 3 hours away and came back to high school commitments for my youngest. I overdid it. I rested on that Tues and was just tired but by Wed I was sick with the crud. I've been pretty down since then even though my blood work isn't horrible. I lost 17 lbs in the last 2 1/2 weeks and you can't do that without losing muscle mass, so I'm sure that is taking it's toll, too.

I'm getting there and I'll be ok. Just sucks for now. I'm resting all I can and trying to push myself to do whatever I can to try to build back up.

Kimby

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I am so sorry you are sick on top of everything else. Yes, the week after my radiation ended was the worst ever. I couldn't even walk. Please, please take care of yourself. I know you want to push it, but be careful. It's a fine line.

Vicki

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ahhh Kimby that is rough tough going. Again...sorry you have been so sick....rest and build for sure.

Hugs and hugs,

Mags

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Thanks, Cheryl, for the link to the article. His attitude and outlook on life is amazing! I love how he has his calendar booked for many years in advance.

Hugs,

Kay

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Oooh, I do believe I owe you an email, Kay.... trust me, I will get to it, but this social butterfly is off to see my friends one last time in the production of "The Full Monty" (which closes this weekend).

I agree so much with you ... his attitude and outlook on life is what we all should be striving for. He happens to love his career as Doctor and Educator and that is a major key here, I think. So many of us may enjoy our jobs or just put up with them because they pay the bills... but we all look forward to when we can afford to retire. When, in reality, you should work at a job/career that you love doing so that retirement doesn't even become an issue because you would continue doing your career for fun after you retired ;)

I think where he has all kinds of things booked for the next 7 years relates very much to where a lot of us find ourselves today. We shouldn't put our lives on hold wondering what we can do a year from now, let alone 2, 3 and 4 years from now... we should go ahead and book our dates/years/events! I already know what I'm going to be doing for the next 10 summers... I just couldn't tell you what shows they will be because that hasn't been decided yet :)

Hugggggs,

Cheryl

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Hi Cheryl,
I love the article, "How to live a long life." I think my favorite line is "I think music and animal therapy can help more than most doctors imagine." Don't you know it... music and animals... what gifts. Little Kennedy is absolutely darling! Fabulous picture!
Aloha,
Kathleen

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Hey Kathleen!!

I loved that line too!! I could sooooo relate to it as I read it. It doesn't matter what kind of music you enjoy... if you surround yourself with music you love and have a pet(s) around who gives you unconditional love (or in my case, a pet who reminds me that the world revolves around her and her wants ), then you can't help but be less stressful. Bridget constantly cracks me up with her insistence that as far as she is concerned, my role in life is to cater to her. She is the only dog I know who, once she has curled up on the bed for the night and I come to bed... she will not budge! She will be awake and even look at me (without moving her position). When I tell her, "Ok, move over!", she actually closes her eyes and pretends she is asleep and hasn't heard me.

Hahaha... how can one be stressed out when they have a four-legged critter who has no idea she is a critter?? :D

Hugggggggs,

Cheryl

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Hello Cheryl and Everyone:

When my husband was originally diagnosed with colon cancer in 2006 (Stage 3 at that time/Stage 4 later), he experienced heart problems after his surgery. The cardiologist we originally used wanted to do an angiogram on him (and anticipated an angioplasty) immediately. We weren't enthusiastic about an invasive procedure given the long and difficult colon cancer operation my husband had just had. So...I did some research and discovered Dr. Ornish's program. Ornish believes a VERY low-fat diet along with exercise and stress relief can actually reverse heart disease. That is the route we took. Three years later my husband's heart issues have improved considerably and the side effect is that the healthy eating/exercising/meditation program Ornish espouses has led to weight reduction for both of us. My husband had to have a second major surgery in 2007 for colon cancer and a very minor surgery in 2008. During both surgeries he experienced no heart difficulties. I believe my husband was stronger and able to tolerate the second and third operations in part because we were living a healthier life. My husband is 91 and is currently NED for colon cancer.

Perhaps Dr.Ornish's program might help you. There is nothing to buy, although you might want to check out his books at your local library.

Hatshepsut

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Hatshepsut, that is wonderful!! Dr. Ornish is well-known in North America (and I would think in other parts of the world) for his heart-health recommendations. His diet has been used for exactly as you explained above... for a healthy heart first and one of the side affects is a healthy weight loss.

I have not (knock on wood) had any heart issues so far in my life, although they were watching closely while I was on chemo because it is not uncommon for chemo to cause heart damage.

I thought Dr. Ornish's diet was a wonderful, well-balanced diet, whether you were thinking heart-healthy or not... but alas, I did feel like I was on a "diet" the whole time I was on it. That wouldn't have been bad and I could tolerate that if I were actually seeing results... but I either stayed the same or gained. Granted, that was before my cc diagnosis (don't know if untreated cancer has any role in weight fluctuation) but the diet, like many others (Weight Watchers, TOPS, Calorie-Counting, and various fad soup/fruit diets) they did not work for me.

The only diet I can honestly say I have gotten any positive results (both in weight loss and stabilizing blood pressure and blood sugars) is a low carb/high protein diet. Some people cringe at them because of the fat content but just like everyone's metabolisms are different, every body's resistance to various diets are different. You have to find the one that not only works for you and your metabolism, but it's one that you don't think of as "going on a diet" but rather, "this is now my WOE - way of eating" and you stick to it. Like any "diet", the minute you fall off the wagon, that's when the weight gain starts up.

I just have to get off my butt and seriously get back on the way of eating that I know has worked for me in the past. Today is one of those gorgeous, gorgeous Vancouver Spring mornings... and just the change in weather has given me more energy to be productive. So far I've stripped and changed the bed and am finishing two loads of laundry... all because the sun is out!! My neighbour has taken Bridget for her long morning walk, but I'm thinking once I have the laundry done, I'm going to take Bridget for a short walk... hahaha... more like get Bridget to take ME out for a short walk!! This will be the first baby step towards getting out and starting to reclaim my physical movement!!

Huggggggs,

Cheryl

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Hi Hatshepsut,
I too have read a lot of Dr. Ornish's books. It so happens a friend of mine knows him well and set us up for a phone call after Dick was diagnosed. Dr. Ornish was fantastic and he has been working on the diet - cancer link. He actually worked on a study that showed early stage prostate cancer being controlled with diet. He and I talked about colon cancer and diet and he feels there is a huge part diet can play in beating cancer. Dr. Ornish also talked about the necessity of meditation and community support. Soooo I agree with you Dr. Ornish has a lot of info to help.
Aloha,
Kathleen

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