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I'm tired of the at risk warning, enough!

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Yes, everyone who has an illness and is being treated by doctors have been told this, and cancer patients are extremely vulnerable, but my state is really pushing the stay home if you are elderly or at risk.  To the point, that they are hinting that they would open up the economy, but still mandate (or at least insist) that those of us (you know the rest) stay home.  To me, enough with the warning, I know what risk is, and I know what I'm willing to take.  I'm cabin fevered out enough, and as long as I don't pass anything along, why should I be shut in my home, watching the world go by from my windows?  I have stage 3 UPSC, celebrated (well no one could be around me) 4 yrs without symptoms April 16th.  I am so ready to live just a little bit longer,   Thanks for letting me rant, my world is getting smaller each day that I'm staying at home, I'm sure yours are as well.

 

Oh how I wish I had bought a vacation home in Galveston Tx, or Panama City Beach 2 yrs ago when my sister suggested.

 

Hope all of you are doing OK, or doing great.  Hugs

 

 

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I've just had my second reoccurrence and although things still look positive, I'm not silly enough to think of I've got a lot of years ahead of me. I hate to think I have to spend my last years cooped up in my home afraid I'm going to get this damned virus but here we are. I'm trying to stay in good enough shape to attend my son's wedding in the fall of 2021 in Italy, but I'd sure like to continue to do some traveling before I die. I hate this. Nobody else would understand this but for those of us that know our lifespan is limited. 

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Northern Wisconsin has almost NO cases and the few they had did not require hospitalization.  One was an employee of McDonald's and another was in a nursing home so you'd think more people would have it, but NONE! Our county has had NO one test positive yet they're all shut down. We have been getting together, 10 of us, 6' apart in someone's driveway for happy hour. We also have been having card club once a week using new cards with the same group of four. The more I read, the less I worry. Being born is the #1 cause of death. Here in Florida a 91 year old man with terminal lung cancer supposedly died of Covid 19; heck, if somebody jumped out and said "BOO" he probably would have died. 

 

I believe the deaths are inflated and 10 to 15 times more people are infected than what they're saying based on studies of raw sewage. That would bring the percentage of death in the population way down!!!

 

Love,

Eldri 

ConnieSW
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My neighbor is an ICU nurse who leaves her young children everyday to go out and care for virus victims.  If you become infected, someone like her will have to risk his or her life to care for you. She lives with the fear of infecting her loved ones. .  When the isolation gets hard, think of Maria and her sacrifice. 

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I have already decided if I were to get sick, I will stay at home, which is what they recommend anyway.  I will not ask people to risk their life to care for me.  I will think of Maria, but she doesn't need to fear for her safety to care for me.  I hope you understand.  Hugs

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I love the being born rule!  I have stayed home, because I usually do as I'm told, but after weeks of isolation, I shouldn't be a risk to anyone.  I went to the grocery store today and wondered what happened to the price of groceries, then I remembered it had been weeks since I had been there.  Thanks Eldri for always being there for all of us.  Hugs

 

Maxster
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I also live in Wisconsin and have witnessed how quickly the virus has infected Brown County.  We do not test at a good rate so we do not know really how many have the disease.  However, what we do know is how vulnerable we are to it. What is the death rate for over 65 cancer survivors or patients?  That's the number that affects us.  I am very lucky to have a research physician oncologist for a son-in-law at the best place in the USA.  He is adamant that I exercise the utmost caution when leaving my home, which is rare.  However, he has seen cancer patients with the virus and it is not pretty.  None of us might survive a bout with this virus. Be careful that what you read is not confirmation bias--picking and choosing what we want to believe.   My daughter lives in Stockholm and says older and vulnerable populations are told to isolate and they do. Overall they have a very high death rate there and are beginning to question their policies which have NOT saved their economy.  I don't have a crystal ball to decide when and how a person might die but I do know I will do what I can to make sure I do not contribute to anyone's death by selfish behavior.

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Is good and I have read articles saying it kills the Corona virus.  Then someone says UV C rays kill and they are filtered out by the atmosphere.  But as a general rule, sun sanitizes.  I think they are going to say that it is safe to go for walks and other activities outside with social distancing.  I would go for a walk outside on a nice day.  

zsazsa1
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This is real, and even if it hasn't gotten to your area, believe me, it will.  I live in Central CT, and have friends and family in the NYC and Boston areas.  My NYC niece's mentor in culinary arts who was in his 50s died of it.  My parents' old friends, who were living in their own home but had aides coming in and out to help, died of it.  The obituary pages in the NYT and Boston Globe have never, ever been anywhere as long as they are now - pages upon pages of obits.  A friend who is an anesthesiologist who is volunteering in a nearby hospital's ICU says that of the hundred or so patients requiring the ventilator, only TWO have lived to leave the hospital so far.

You can go out for walks.  Stay over 27 feet away from others - 6 feet is total BS.  If you go to the store, go with mask, glasses, gloves, santize gloves frequently, keep mask and glasses on until you get home so that you don't touch your face, throw all clothing into the wash, and go straight to the shower.

Getting together with other people to play cards is risking your life.  Getting together for driveway happy hour is not - but stay much farther away from each other than you have been, and better for you to sit up wind of others, rather than down wind of them.

Go ahead and rent a beach house for a month on airbnb, and go!  As long as it had been vacant for at least 3 days beforehand, you should be fine.  Sure, I'd wipe down doorknobs and faucet handles aand counters with a weak bleach solution, but should be okay.   Driving to a long-stay air bnb is a perfectly fine way to travel now, as long as you take stringent precautions (don't forget to pump gas wearing a disposable glove, or put your hand into an inverted plastic bag to do so, and discard.)

Just realize that taking an attitude of "I'm not going to let coronavirus change my life", might end your life.  Do NOT be cavalier about it.  It is present and circulating sub-clinically in a community in a widespread manner for several weeks before deaths begin to be seen - can be very widespread by then.

MoeKay
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I'm over 70 and while I know I'm going to die, I do not want to die from coronavirus if I can help it.  Of course, I live in NJ where as of this morning we have 111,188 reported cases and 6,044 reported deaths.  In 2009-10, I had a serious lung condition that took months to properly diagnose and treat.  It was not pretty.  If I could pick the way I'm going to die, it would be a quick, fatal heart attack.  Since I can't choose, I'm going to try to avoid an illness that could potentially leave me gasping for air.  And while I don't want to die in the hospital, I don't want to hang out at home and subject my husband to having to watch me die struggling to breathe, among other things. 

So I'll sit at home and watch my grey roots grow.  I like my house and continue to find things that amaze me in this place--my sewing machine still works after 15 or 20 years of non-use!  I made two face masks out of an old flannel shirt and they came out pretty good, if I do say so myself.  And if there isn't a next year to travel, I can say that I've taken many nice trips throughout my life.  There will always be new places to see and new things to do, and if I were able to live to 200, I would never be able to see and do them all, but I can say that the things I have done and seen I have enjoyed, and I have no regrets.

Everyone please stay safe and healthy!!

MoeKay

MAbound
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I've never been a fan of bucket lists. I think they only serve to make you feel like you've failed if you don't check the boxes. And there is always going to be more that you want to do.

I prefer to measure my life by what I have done, knowing that there are so many that haven't and never will have the blessings I've enjoyed during my life. It hasn't always been a bed a roses; the downs have been really, really big downs, but even those can be blessings if you have the right perspective about them. I feel stronger for the hardships that I've had to adjust to. My life, as it has been, has mattered even if it should end today, so I am at peace and not fighting with how life has changed to other than I would have it be for the moment. 

So, even though time is precious and it sucks to waste a moment of it, I'm ok doing my part by not adding to others troubles. I'll have to go out from time-to-time for food and tests, but I intend to do all that I can to protect myself and others when I have to. I know I can adapt to this and will feel good about myself for doing so. This will eventually pass, but not before there is a lot of suffering and loss. Please, everyone, hang in there because I would mourn the loss of any of you when it would be so unnessecary and such a waste after what you've already been put through by the beast we all battle.

We are strong women and we can get each other through this. Find and dwell on your positives.

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The beaches and pools in our Florida county can now open with restrictions. They are going to start opening the hospitals and clinics for elective procedures. The majority of the beds they had reserved for Covid-19 patients have been empty. I expect more places will begin to open by the end of this week. I've read how Sweden has coped with this virus. I just read an article a doctor wrote who practices about 10 miles south of where I live. It makes so much sense. I understand at first we had no idea what we were dealing with. There will be no vaccine for at least 12-15 months if not longer. The majority of us will get it and yes, it will kill people, but so does influenza. Take a look at what this doctor says:

http://jillrommel.com/2020/04/26/duane-rommel-m-d-s-pandemic-prescription/?fbclid=IwAR1N0T-SBewFK4YDNgXnrk4mze3wQ4d1TmKN0vSL-5b3tJ7RK0h_r1-cnCs 

Love,

Eldri

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MoeKay, I can relate to your post. My first recurrence was last summer and still trying to beat it. I have come to terms with knowing I won't have many years left. I have an advanced Directive, but I told my husband if I am ever conscious and look panicked trying to breathe it's okay to help me. I had asthma as a child and as a young adult accidentally inhaled chlorine gas. That is not the way I want to die, gasping for breath, but I refuse to worry and try to enjoy each day. It's so sad that so many are dying without loved ones near. We live in a rural area that has had very few sick with the virus in our county. We have been able to take our small fishing boat to local lakes. 

Please stay safe ladies! We need each other!

Donna D

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I realize the state we live in dictates our risk.  My state has a total of 3358 positive cases, with 55 deaths.  Some of our counties have no cases. So far we are still only testing those that have symptoms, but I expect that's a fair assessment of the number of people.  Many, at least 1/3 or more come from our meat packing plants. Many of the nationalities don't understand, or don't consider the virus to be a problem, so they go out into the community and spread.  I still think we're low on the scale of being infected, yet it appears that we will be under restrictions until at least June. Since we've been told to stay in since early March, that's why I'm sad, and a little bit angry.  I live alone, and the only way I can connect to people is through my computer - and It's dying also (must have the virus?).  So without my computer, which freezes hourly now, I'm relying on TV local news.  Unless I talk on the phone, It's hard to even connect to other people.  Hugs to all, 

MAbound
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Eldri, I really hope that what you are hearing and reading turns out to be the right direction to go. We'll see what happens in places like Georgia and Florida, but I'd hate to be in those states while the experiment is conducted. There is so much misinformation out there that it is impossible to know what the best thing to do is. Mix in the economic impact and all of the divisive politics and that's why things are so bad.

What I do know is that a mistaken comparison to flu is made repeatedly and this is a whole different animal from the flu. It's just like UPSC is a different animal from endometrial adenocarcinoma...they are both uterine cancer, but not the same at all. Flu and coronavirus are both viruses, but totally different from each other. Just as what works to treat one person's cancer doesn't necessarily work for everyone, so too will Sweden's approach not necessarily be the answer for the whole world.

It's a mistake and a waste of time and lives to pounce on each new suggestion like it's salvation as one talking head or another opines about it. Getting past this is going to take science testing the possiblities and that's going to take time. There will probably end up being multiple approaches to testing, prevention, and treatment. Health care workers and the scientists who are going to solve this for us need us to give them the time they need by not letting things get out of hand. That's the hard part and so caution with our interactions for the foreseeable future seems to be the prudent course to follow while it's so hard to know who is right in what they believe.

 

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And there's no vaccine and as yet no treatment. And people with diabetes have a significantly higher mortality risk. 80% of people that are on ventilators don't make it. And although people with comorbid conditions and over 65 are more at risk of dying, younger people and children have died, too. There are certain unexplainable side effects such as blot clots in younger people. that we don't understand as yet. We don't even know if antibodies make you immune. I'll be staying home basically until there's a vaccine. 

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I live in the Florida Panhandle where the cases are still very low. I went out for the first time about a week ago. Fully covered - hat, glasses, mask, gloves. I was amazed at how many people are not taking this seriously. Parents and children with zero protection.  I agree about comparing this to the flu. And, it concerns me when I hear that the flu kills 40K people a year. We have seen almost 60k deaths in less than 2 months. How can people still believe it is the same? 

I'm grateful to have a home and big yard that I love. It hasn't bothered me not leaving my place. I am able to stay busy and enjoy the weather. What I miss the most is seeing my grandchildren. However, I want to be around years down the road so staying safe now is what I plan to do.

We all have to make our own decisions. I sure hope everyone decides to stay protected as much as possible.

Love and Hugs,

Cindi

 

 

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People are dying around us. Yes, it sucks to be in lock down, but what some people lack to understand, is that your government is trying to avoid your health system

to collapse. In Italy it did... And how did it go for Italy? They ended up having to CHOOSE who to save...

I hate this too. I got fired from my job in November 2019, so Im here all day long. I would love to be able to do what I want but, 1: I didn't go throug hell and beat cancer hopefully twice, to get killed by a virus and 2: if I don't practice social distance, I could get really sick and take up a bed and perhaps a ventilator on the hospital. And what if there are no more beds? No more ventilators? Images from Italy are frightening. So are images from NYC.

Leta just hope that this lock down will do the trick (if people actually do it?) and we can go about our lives again <3

BluebirdOne
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and experiences. But facts are stubborn things. One big fact is that without this lockdown, millions would die. We will have more than 100k deaths in a few months, if not weeks. The real death toll is being underestimated as so many died at home or in nursing homes and were never tested for Covid. Sweden’s death toll is the one of the highest per capita in Europe, higher than the US! Sweden also is telling the vulnerable to stay home.

Florida’s Governor refused to allow the number of Covid deaths to be released to the public. Why? If the success story was so great in Florida, they would be using it as an even bigger excuse to open the state 100%. One persoon, feeling immortal, going into public places without PPE, can infect untold others. Asymptomatic carriers are infecting hundreds. Sure this is hard, but dying of Covid is horrible. My husband and I live in a rural resort community with mostly retired folks, but plenty of young family come and visit. We see the carelesness on our streets, stores, and take out food places. So we don’t trust anyone to be free of virus. A very good friend who is an attorney, whose husband has stage 4 sarcoma thinks that our book group should be starting up in a few weeks!!! Another woman in our group who is 80, has an invalid husband who is 80+ and has many health issues is willing to ”take a chance”, because she doesn’t want to miss the season and needs to get out of the house. She also thinks this is just the flu. Because these people are so careless I cannot be around them. 

 

 

MAbound
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For those having trouble wrapping your head around how different Covid is from the flu, maybe this article will help. (Caveat: since this article, a run has started on pulse oximeters. https://www.massdevice.com/is-coronavirus-causing-a-run-on-pulse-oximeters/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

 

 

BluebirdOne
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The NYT, WP, and other media have taken down their paywall so that everyone can read what the Doctors and scientists on the front line are finding. As this pandemic rages, the experts are developing treatments and sharing their knowledge with the world. I liken this to our cancer care. I would not follow the advice of a media personality, politician or a CEO for the latest cancer protocols, why would I do so for Covid-19? 2000 a day are still dying in the US. I have a Samsung phone that has a health app that measures pulse and pulse ox’s. Since I have a very low pulse I monitor them constantly. 

 

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An interesting article about how everybody thinks they're an expert and why everybody is arguing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/problem-thinking-know-experts

MAbound
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How I miss Walter Cronkite and Huntley and Brinkly these days! Infotainment, indeed!

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Thanks for all of the articles Ladies!

CQ, I deal with one just like that in my family. Sometimes, too smart for their own good.  ugh!

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