HOW TO MAKE TUMERIC/CURCUMIN MORE EFFECTIVE

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  • Kate L
    Kate L Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2016 #42
    Powdered curcumin

    Today I was looking up some information on curcumin and turmeric and I found this  website .  I am not a cancer survivor  rather I have another very debilitating chronic illness  due to a long-term  bout with Lyme disease .  I was a healthy bike rider reduced to bed and not being able to stand or hold down food. I also required 27 hours of surgery due to a complication.  I have post treatment Lyme disease, adrenal fatigue and  an immune system and  nervous system that has gone haywire .  With that said, I thought I might share with you  what I have found about curcumin and diet.   Both have multiple benefits and are bringing me back to living.  Hope this is helpful... prayers to you all...... 

    I  found a powdered curcumin ( drink mix) that comes in a plastic jar.  I use it in soups and smoothies and tea, also sprinkle it in salad etc. I add pepper.  It dissolves well with a little fat .  I use healthy oils high in omega 3 fatty acids such as walnut, avocado, and coconut oil mostly.  I find it dissolves best in soup without adding more oil. 

    I also have eliminated sugar, dairy, beef , shellfish, soy, wheat, gluten, and unhealthy fats from my diet. I eat chicken, turkey, fish, eggs, lamb, duck,...  other game meats i can eat but don't like them.....I have three servings of a cleansing vegetable like Kale and artichokes, two cruciferous, one serving of another vegetable like tomato, etc., one serving of beans, nuts especially walnuts, one to two servings of berries, and coconut almond or cashew milk, and three tsps of a healthy fat each day.  ...  olive, walnut, avocado oil, high oleic sunflower, coconut, sesame, e g.

     I have also found many vitamins , especially B12, may not be absorbed. Methcobalamin is the most effective form to take. Calcium citrate is also the best absorbed form.  

    I went to a nutritionist at the Center for Integrative Medicine at university of Maryland . I also worked with a doctor of osteopathy as well as my traditional Dr.   They helped me find the right vitamins and nutrients, as well as what to eat during the day.  They found that I had multiple vitamin deficiencies. The right food really made a difference in terms of how I feel. I can walk a little now and I'm doing much better with ADLs.   I can do this type of diet for the rest of my life. And if I want something sweet I had a little Stevia to some fruit or a fruit cobbler. My family doesn't seem to mind either and my husband is a picky eater.....or was... These people that think that diet doesn't matter are just crazy. I guess in some ways we are what we eat. 

    Here's to Good Health. Best wishes

     

  • Blue_Lee
    Blue_Lee Member Posts: 1
    Hi! I have been taking

    Hi! I have been taking turmeric to further treat cervical cancer as well as because I suffered a traumatic brain injury a year and a half ago and am still fighting many symptoms from it. I have been mixing the tumeric into whole fat yogurt or oatmeal with coconut milk. Does any fat help the body absorb tumeric or is it solely oil? Additionally I'm very thankful that I found this post bc I had never heard that hearing the tumeric helps in absorption. Does anyone know if it is ONLY absorbed when heated (in which case I'll stop putting it in all of my smoothies) or just absorbed better when heated (Will start cooking it and add it to smoothies :])

  • PeterinPittsburgh
    PeterinPittsburgh Member Posts: 3
    Dosage of Turmeric

    Hi,
    I came across this discussion board while doing some research on turmeric on the net.  I've been using it for several years in cooking, as I am a survivor of Hodgkin's Lymphoma and wished to improve my odds of not getting secondary cancer from the treatments that I received many years ago.   Several users raised the question of dosage, and I thought the following information might be helpful.  First, let me say that I believe use of the actual spice is better than using supplements in all cases.  The supplements may or may contain the advertised dosage of key ingredient, they may or may not contain undesirable chemicals in the filler or binding, and the actual spice may contain additional helpful, perhaps even crucial components, yet to be discovered.  Second, the correlation between turmeric intake and differential cancer incidence rates between the US and India listed below might not be due solely to turmeric, but to other dietary differences, differences in physical activity level and other factors between the two nations.  However, I offer them because I thought they were interesting data when I read about them.

    First, there was an excellent article published in 2010 in the Asian Pacific Journal of Cancer Prevention entitled "Measurement of Spices and Seasonings in India: Opportunties for Cancer Epidemiology and Prevention" which is available on the net, for free and in English.  Table 1, labeled "per capital spice consumption" compares three different cities in different regions of India.  The mean monthly consumption of turmeric varied from 21.8 to 28.6 grams.  There are 5 grams in a teaspoon, so mean monthly consumption per person in this study was between 4.4 and 5.7 level teaspoons per month, approximately. 

    The second set of data that might be of interest to you is from a 2015 article by Dr. Michael Greger, also available free and in English on the net, entitled "Why are Cancer Rates so Low in India?".  That article cites other research which indicates that, compared to India, rates of cancer in the United States are 23 times higher for prostate cancer, at least 8 times higher for melanoma, at least 10 times higher for colorectal, 9 times higher for endometrial, 7 times higher for lung and bladder, and 5 times higher for breast cancers.  Once again, turmeric may only be a part of the reason, but even if it accounts for only a portion of that advantage, Indians accomplish this result with a median of less than 6 teaspoons a month.  For those of you interested in the upper end of Indian turmeric consumption, the 90th percentile ranged from 50 to 59.4 grams a month, or 10 to 12 teaspoonfuls.  If you consume turmeric every other day, that's well less than teaspoon.

    Hope this was of interest to at least a few of you folks on here.  Good luck to you!
    Pete

  • PeterinPittsburgh
    PeterinPittsburgh Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2017 #45
    In Response to Blue Lee's Question

    The piperin in black pepper is probably the most important item to add to turmeric for best absorption.  As to fats, from what I've read, any fat helps- from whole milk yogurt, from nuts, olive oil, fish oil, etc.  but absorption is aided by fat most effectively when cooked with the turmeric, so that obviously lets out some sources.  However, I would not get too hung up on this detail, as piperine is the most effective absorption aid, cooked or uncooked.  I hope you are also exercising daily, or almost daily, as recent studies have shown that regular exercise can have a material effect in reducing cancer recurrance rates across a broad range of malignancies.

     

    Best of luck to you!
    Pete in Pittsburgh

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    Thanks Pete for taking the

    Thanks Pete for taking the time to share this information with us. I hope all is well with you these days!

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

  • red2erni
    red2erni Member Posts: 1
    Preperation and use of curcumin

    I add a table spoon of Coconut oil to espresso before adding tamaric or curcumin, pepper and dark chocolate powder then hot foamed almond milk in the morning. Sometimes I also add a table spoon of butter for taste as I'm on 18 to 72 hr keto and autophagenic fasts. See A. Lodi st.  al. Combinatorial treatment with natural compounds in prostrate cancer inhibits prostrate tumor growth and leads to key modulation of cancer cell metabolism, mph Precision Oncology 1. Article 18, 2017 from Tiziani's group at UT. Curcumin, ursolic acid and resveratrol together were found to inhibit tumor growth and induce tumor cell apoptosis through modulation of glutamine uptake which is symbiotic with ketosis, anaerobic exercise and induced autophagy, which seems a parallel pathway to 5 alpha reductase inhibitor induced apoptosis and/oh sulphoraphane or boron loading.

    Check out the terrific graphic per metabolite modulation. Incredible.

    Cheers

    red

  • craig732
    craig732 Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2018 #48
    I have a question about

    I have a question about turmeric supplements...

    Why use supplements at all?  Why not just use fresh turmeric, fresh black pepper, and olive oil?  It seems a lot cheaper and easier that trying to figure out which siupplements are "good or bad" and which ones have the right mistures.  What is the benefit to the supplement?

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    Why

    Supplements are helpful when it's not possible to get a theraputic dose from a food source, otherwise you're right...it's always best and safest to get nutrients from food sources.

    Curcumen is in tumeric, yes, but you'd have to use an impossible amount of it to get the amount of curcumin that would do what you are taking it for. The best advice on supplements that I have found is Consumerlab.com. They are like Consumer Reports but focus on the supplement industry. It's worth the subscription price if you have concerns about which brands you can trust, dosages, uses, effectiveness, etc.

  • derMaus
    derMaus Member Posts: 558 Member
    craig732 said:

    I have a question about

    I have a question about turmeric supplements...

    Why use supplements at all?  Why not just use fresh turmeric, fresh black pepper, and olive oil?  It seems a lot cheaper and easier that trying to figure out which siupplements are "good or bad" and which ones have the right mistures.  What is the benefit to the supplement?

    Your body can't absorb enough

    Your body can't absorb enough curcumin quickly enough before it passes out of your system. Google articles on curcumin absorption rates and you'll see that you have to either (1) take your supplement with oil or, better, (2) buy a supplement which has been specifically processed, usually using Piperine, for proper absorbtion. Here's a big long article about it, #6 addresses that part

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3918523/

    It's definitely worth paying for a one-year subscription to ConsumerLab. I did after bumbling around and worrying that I was gagging on boatloads of pills that did no good. You can also check out the Memorial Slone Kettering supplements website. It doesn't speak to brands but I've found it very useful. 

    https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/diagnosis-treatment/symptom-management/integrative-medicine/herbs

  • Kindellano
    Kindellano Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2018 #51
    I've been reading plenty on

    I've been reading plenty on wholistic treatments, veg juicing, veg shakes, spices etc... we also have detox therapies in house. Far Infrared (FIR) and Near Infrared (NIR) heat to sweat out toxins and a hot tub. We use no chemicals in the hottub; no Chlorine or Bromine. We had to find something to rid the water of the bacteria brought on by sweating in the tub though.

    My research first came to Food grade 35% H202, where a couple of cups took care of it, BUT then I stumbled into Ozone; both are oxygen based solutions. Seems ozone kills bacteria and viruses quicker than chlorine, and on contact. Also, I read that 95% of most cancers have bacterial and viral origins.  I bought and installed a little ozone making device to draw the radical oxygen into the water,  and since this March, we have the cleanest water I've ever seen.  

    Further research on this wonderful O3 binder of oxygen,  I came across Dr. Rowen in California,  who's been doing immuno therapy with ozone since the 80's. Who would have thunk that the body can absorb this radical oxygen with very interesting imuno benefits. We can not breath it in, but we can drink it, use in steam sauna bags for skin absorbing benefits; those systems where your head is clear of the steam infused ozone.  Even some Dentists are using ozone as a bacterial mitigation for root canals.

    I have been looking for anything bad about ozone beyond breathing it in, and I can't find anything of concern vs. the information out there about the benifits. 

    So, we are jumping in, and bought our ozone machine yesterday. Waiting on delivery.  A couple links on this are following. 

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312702/

    And a google search on Dr. Rowen

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=360&bih=377&ei=VILMW-TEJ4uczwLNg7mADA&ins=false&q=dr+robert+rowen&oq=dr+robert+rowen&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..35i39l3j0i67j0.4207.5570..7129...0.0..0.227.751.3j2j1......0....1.........33i299j0i22i30.LJtRa1CWLqs#scso=_XYLMW4C3Ao_YzgLO_6foCg2:1014,_XYLMW4C3Ao_YzgLO_6foCg3:0