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Mar 18, 2013 - 4:57 am
Yep, another one has left the forum. I hope this bully realizes who she is. Everyone should be able to comment and share treatments. We are adults. Something that works for me might work for someone else. This bully has put down many things, juicing, my "purple juice" as she calls it, and other things. A couple of other people have mentioned leaving the forum. And it is because of a bully who is not content until she pulls up eons of back posts. It's pretty sad that someone seems to be happy by making others feel uncomfortable. I have not been here long, but I am smart enough to read and recognize bullying when I see it. Maybe she will read this and figure out who she is. I wish she would take the old saying...if you have nothing good to say, then don't say it. I guess the only way someone like this can feel good is by making others feel bad. I don't like to single out a person, but I have seen her do this to people in here over and over. We are all suffering, or we are here for someone we know who is suffering. I wish she'd stop making it worse by scaring people off. This is not meant to continue this bickering. I'm hoping someone, maybe the monitor?, would let her know how what she is doing is hurtful to the forum and to specific people. Judy |
Joined: Jan 2010
and...
Why did you post this again?
Is it your intent to keep this "war" going?
Please take your issues with the person you reference to Private Message.
Marie who loves kitties
Joined: Oct 2011
Agreed!!!!!
Agreed!!!!!
Joined: Apr 2009
Th-th-th
That's All Folks!
Wolfen
Joined: Dec 2012
It got posted again because I
It got posted again because I didn't post it as a discussion topic. It was buried under someone else's. Do I want to keep this going? No, but I also don't like watching people get bullied away. It's not right. I have sat here watching this go on, and yep, I'm stating my 2, 3, maybe even 5 cents worth. Perhaps that person will figure out she's a bully. I don't understand why the moderator has not stopped her. Perhaps all will be quiet until someone else mentions a treatment she doesn't agree with.
Joined: Jan 2010
I don't think this is going to get the attention that you want
because folks are rather tired out perhaps from the recent discussions and have tried to move on to more positive topics.
May I suggest that you write to the individual in a private message and try to work this out directly? You may find that works better in a situation like this.
Thank you for considering this suggestion,
Cynthia
Joined: Dec 2012
I'm not looking for
I'm not looking for attention. I'm not the only one feeling like this. I've suggested this forum to some people going what we all are going thru. Personally, I wish I hadn't and hope they don't join. Perhaps you don't mind sitting back watching people decide to leave because of personal attacks. I've sat here biting my tongue not to say anything. But when people decide they need to leave because of one, I'm speaking up. I have said my piece. Consider it said. I can now sit back, at least feel I've said what I have felt, and others have felt. And yes, if the bullying continues, I'll speak up again. Let's move on to more positive discussions. And let's let people feel free to put their options out there without feeling that they are going to come under attack.
Now, on to more positive "stuff,"
Judy
Joined: Jan 2010
Oh no ... my apology ... I was not meaning to imply that
you were purely seeking attention ... bad choice of words on my part.
I just meant that it seems you would like some resolve with the situation you were describing and I was suggesting that perhaps the best way for you to achieve that is to address the individual directly instead of the public forum.
I hope that you do stay here as I see you have just recently joined. As in any family, sometimes we go through rough patches.
Sincerely,
Cynthia
Joined: May 2005
Let's go for Three weeks of this nonsense
This has got legs as the saying goes... I can't believe how much the proverbial Dead Horse is being beaten in this forum about this topic.
If someone wants to leave, then leave.
If someone has a bone to pick on another member, please do it through PM's.
Joined: Aug 2011
If you guys are beating horses...
I'm out of here!
Seriously, it's time to let it go until the next time. If the cons of being a member is out weighing the pros then maybe it's not the group for you. I have been quiet latley but I am still here because this group has made a difference for me.
The good news is that if we are bickering that must mean that we are still kicking!
Joined: Aug 2012
Hehe...looks like you are
Hehe...looks like you are guilty of not letting it go either phil...just sayin :)
Joined: May 2009
Phil
Does this remind you of the post where the same topic gets argued about and then fades away just to come back again and start all over? I remember you posting that reference before maybe 1 year ago. I'll try to find it.
Lori
Joined: May 2005
I Remember...
That hit the nail on the head didn't it...
I have seen this stuff play out countless times and usually it runs that course. This time it seems to have taken on a life of it's own. Unless you're an insomniac Lori I wouldn't waste much time with trying to find it.
There seems to be stronger personalities here now that are like pit bulls (no offense to pit bulls) and won't loosen their grip!
The choice of the debate is amusing (to me) because it's like fighting over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Obviously it depends on the type of dance the angels are doing and whether the pin is head up or head down. Jeesh! Now into it's third week it's still going strong. It's harder to kill than cancer is it seems!
You got me Jen2012, I'm busted!!! Yes, I asked that people just do whatever they're going to do without fanfare and to keep conversations that probably are better off in private, private. It's like announcing to everyone that they have to take a dump. Just take the dump! Don't call a press conference for
Pete's sakecrying out loud... Arguing over something that has no one answer, if there's even any answer at all, seems pointless to me. But that's me. Some people make a living doing that!:-)
Joined: Apr 2011
Phillieg, Winter doesn't do
Phillieg,
Winter doesn't do PM's unless she likes you, or hates you......I'm not sure which one, I am so confused. (SEE BELOW SOMEWHERE)
If cancer weren't so da*n horrible, this would be funnier than "Whose on First".
Joined: Apr 2010
Janie
As I stated , I don't PM anyone that I a disagree with, why aggravate them? If you wish to PM me I would respond as I did with manwithnoname. If one wants to make the effort toPM me, I would respond, but none that I've ever disagreed with has, with the exception of manwithnoname, who received a response.
Also quit the lies please, you just lied saying I hate people, I can't name one person I hate. Hate is a strong word and emotion, not one I have room for in my life. And never on this board have I ever said "I hate ________."(insert anyones name). Never happened. I do hate cancer though!
Winter Marie
Joined: Oct 2009
Judy:
As you can see I am a very long time poster and member of this community. I have stayed out of the recent bad vibrations on this board. Kind of a been there, done that kind of thing. It happens every now and again.
Unfortunately, I found your post extremely upsetting. You don't like to single someone out but that is exactly what you have done. There is a lot of knowledge on the board. You do not mean to scare people off but that is exactly what your post intends. Shame on you.
Whether I agree or not with with Pete, Marie, Manwithnoname or anyone else it really doesn't matter, but I am respectful of their input. When someone new comes to the board to ask about potential side effects of a certain treatment, only those with knowledge can answer. Drive them away and you lose that knowledge and there will be no one to answer. The same is true if someone comes asking about certain supplements, those that have used them can answer if they haven't been driven away.
If you don't like someone, that is your choice but please, stop adding fuel to the fire and acting like a bully yourself.
I have not flagged your post, someone beat me to it, but if it had not been flagged, I most certainly would have flagged it as inappropriate.
Tina
Joined: Apr 2010
Amen.
Amen.
Joined: Jul 2012
Please
please, everyone stay. all of you who have been on this board for awhile have a lot of great info & support for those of us who have not been here long. we need you. if someone has a problem with someone else, please take it to a pm. if someone chooses to leave i think we can figure it out without an announcement from another person. we are here to support each other & not to cause division. just like in the world outside our cancer world, there are alot of opinions that we might not agree with but we should listen to that persons' choice. after all, we all are doing what we believe to be the best tx to save our life.
judy
Joined: Mar 2013
Thoughts of a board rookie
Look down to the left here.....(I'll wait).......
As you can see I haven't been here very long.....so the total tonnage of what I don't know about my cancer and my future treatment(s) could stun a team of oxen in its tracks. Shoot most of what I have read about alternative treatments.....well, I don't even understand. That doesn't mean I won't understand/need them in the future. If people are chased away we lose the cumulative knowledge of the board. We seriously don't think someone will be coerced into a treatment they don't agree with, do we? I think some people are more interested in being right, rather than being happy.
But what do I know, I am just the rookie here...
Joined: Dec 2012
Well, Tina, I would think if
Well, Tina, I would think if my post was gonna be flagged, then there certainly should have been some flagging a few days ago. But I'm not going there, people saw her in action. If you wish to keep this going, then keep commenting. I said my piece, yes I am new here, but it doesn't take long to figure out who "runs" this. No, I will not pm this person; I have heard from people who do, and she's just as bullyish. I hope she's the flagger. Perhaps she'll think before posting. Enough...And yep, me too, Dixon, I'm a newby. That was what I saw, and many others say, the other day ("gotta be right"). I too want to see the different possibilities out there, and I hope people still put the alternatives out there. And they should do so without being attacked.
Judy
Joined: Jan 2010
Clarification only
I am the person who flagged your post here.
Marie who loves kitties
Joined: Jan 2007
Hi Judy!
I should really stay out of this, but I’ve always tried to understand the position that an “underdog” is taking, when they post something that sounds harsh.....
Someone has to be the devil’s advocate, otherwise only one side is represented!
The one that you’re finding so offensive isn’t really that bad at all. What she was attempting to do, was tell those that post their comments here, that unless they’ve tried the “remedy” and had success with it, they shouldn’t be trying to convince others to try it.
Even if an individual knows personally of someone that’s had success with the remedy, it is better than simply reciting advertising rhetoric.
We’re all here to learn of new developments, but we should be careful of what we are recommending to others! There are some pretty expensive purported “solutions” out there, that do little if anything for our fight to stay alive!
I would not be an advocate for Traditional Chinese Medicine, if it hadn’t worked so well for me. Those that have used “Folfox”, etc, and have had success with the more conventional remedies, do so without being “flamed” or harassed. Likewise those that have used an alternative and found great success with it, should not be harassed, either!
But simply reciting “forward looking statements” generated by an industry looking for investors, or a new “remedy” seeking users for it, should be discarded as “junk science”. Unless of course, one feels that “magnetic therapy” is the solution to cancer’s ravages..... and in that case, it should be discussed in it’s own live setting, where one can pass out tinfoil hats freely!
The poster you found offending, was only “telling it like it is”. Harsh and cold, perhaps, but within the guidelines of the usual forum dialog.
I find it more offending when a poster attempts to tell me that I have just been very lucky using useless herbs......
Knowing “right from wrong” when it comes to fighting cancer is difficult enough, without having to deal with misinformation and the reciting of some corporation’s wishful thinking.
Advertising schemes worth noting:
“Where’s the beef”, and “Show me the money”.
Caveat Emptor at it’s best!
Healthy wishes at you!
John
Joined: Jun 2012
Let me be clear John
Your saying no treatment should be posted here unless it's worked for them personally?, but if we know someone who's treatment worked that is allowed ...(just)
anecdotal evidence is fine, but peer reviewed puplications with double blind randomized trials can't be disscussed because...it hasn't worked for anyone here personally?
Well that's really nice of you.
Joined: Oct 2011
I thought John was saying,
that if it was not information that came from the type of studies you mention, that it should at least be based upon one's personal experience. This would be as opposed to saying "a friend's cousin" or what have you. I could be wrong, but that's how I took what he said. AA
Joined: Jun 2012
I dont get what
John's saying except it seems he wants to stifle debate and information unless it conforms to some 'rule' of his, it's quite clear what we can discuss here, it's in the TOS we don't need anything more.
It's also mentions how to behave towards other members.
Joined: Apr 2010
What John is saying
From my prospective is that chemo can do sometimes more harm than good. For instance my latest two chemo's are killing my liver, not a good thing and perhaps some good old Chinese medicine would have given me a longer time upon this earth then the chemo's that shortened it. Please note the chemo's also lengthened it by three years, so I'm still pro chemo for a longer life with colon cancer, just be more watchful as to your test results, when they start going bad, that's the time to question it.
And I believe he is also pointing out that when someone come on and says my green, pink or even purple juice works, or scorpion venom or pee or eat your cat's coughed up hairballs and you'll be on the way to a cure, are going to get poo pahed by quite a few of us.
Funny thing that, there are tons of bogus cures out there, and some people really believe the advertisements, or are so desperate that they will try them. The old timers, (I've only been here three years) tend to help by pointing these things out, especially when someone new comes on and believes the pusher of the hairball cure.
That's how it comes across to me.
Winter Marie
Joined: Jun 2012
Well I don't
believe anyone has the right to 'police' the board about whats effective or not, you hear 'scorpion venom' and immediatley dismiss it without checking to see what the status of scorpion venom is , in fact there is quite a bit of research about it. No one is saying 'here try scorpion venom it cured me of stage IV cancer and buy it HERE'
If I saw a post like that I would flag it, how naive do you think people are that they need someone else to tell them?
And when it comes to low cost or free methods like diet or herbs with some kind of evidence behind them who are you or anyone to say it wont work on them, even taking away someones last hope!
Scorpion venom must have helped ONE person at least before they ended up distributing it.
And you keep mentioning 'cure' I have yet to see ONE post about anything alternative or conventional where someone has used that word for a treatment they are talking about or reading about.
Joined: Apr 2010
A lot
When people are desperate there is a lot of naivety, a lot. We've seen a lot of that.
When diagnosed with colon cancer believe me, I was very, very naive about it, thanks to the good people here I have a lot more knowledge, for which I am eternally grateful.
So when you ask if people are really naive, yes we are, it's all new ground to us, everyone of us with colorectal cancer.
Do you really think that everything being touted as helpful or a cure by people selling the producare have helped someone, or perhaps their just out to make a buck off of naive people? If so, I've got some cat hair balls for sale.
Winter Marie
Joined: Jan 2013
Scorpion Venom
The scorpion venom was my post and you flamed me for it. So i don't usually post my research here anymore, which is probably a shame as not sure how many others can provide a perspective from a biochemist's point of view.
I did not promote it, just shared my experience and mentioned that it did not appear to work for me, but having a MDR mutation, not even chemo works for me, so that means little. Before you flame someone else's alternative posts, may be good to look at the research on I dono, chlorotoxins contained in many insect venoms including scorpions for example. Your post on my contributions to csn was just plain nasty. You also accused me of being too comfortable with everyone here and changing my username??? Well, you need not be concerned. I am not very comfortable here now.
Joined: Apr 2010
What in the world
Are you talking about? Channing user name and being too comfortable here? Please do find this supposed post I which I stated that dear. My goodness.
and saying scropian venom isn't going to work is hardly "flaming".
Joined: Jan 2013
"Also your blogs start in
"Also your blogs start in January and you seem quite comfortable with us, as LivinginNH wondered, who are you? I think as others do, that you are one who is familiar with us and have posted under another name before, I must say I don't trust much of what you post."
Your words exactly.
Also you did more than just say "scorpion venom isn't going to work". btw how do you know this? Is it some clinical research you did that I am not aware off, or just your own unfounded opinion?
Joined: Apr 2010
Yep
Got to say I do say them as I think them. Chemo... Glad you can search my 2914 posts to find it, (sorry just had to throw that in, since MWNN and I think it was Judy or Janie accused me of searching for hours for posts, as you can see, just put something in the search engine and it's easy to find) (I know you didn't go through 2914 posts to find it, it's pretty easy to look things up isn't it?) so I would have to eat my words and now I remember (sorry chemo truly does affect memory)
I do remember now many of us thinking about your timing and name and wondering who you were, if you were familiar to us from before and decided to ask you about it. I'm not shy that way.
Winter Marie
Joined: Jan 2013
actually it wasn't easy to
actually it wasn't easy to find as the site search seems broken. only reason i found it was because it was relatively recent and I remembered the post title. still had to go 5 pages back in history.
Joined: Dec 2012
LOL it was posted last
LOL it was posted last week...
Joined: Jan 2007
Grabbing at straws…
Re:
“…anecdotal evidence is fine, but peer reviewed puplications with double blind randomized trials can't be discussed….”
Let’s set it straight and go from there….. No-one said anything can’t be discussed here. The issue is regarding those that promote things that have not provided any historical proof of it working. The word to pay attention to is “promote”, and there’s been an awful lot of the promotion of expensive therapies that do little, if anything to extend one’s life. This forum was never like this before; it seems to have degraded lately, for whatever reason.
The “peer reviewed” comment can not be taken seriously. A “peer group” would be fellow members of the same industry. I’m fairly certain that the “peer group” will make very objective reviews, ehh? Sure they will.
And “double-blind randomized trials”? Of what? “Apricot seed extract”? “Scorpion venom”? “Grape seed extract”? “Coffee enemas”? (Maybe change the name to StarButt's?)
We had two individuals that stuck around on CSN long enough to tell about how they did nothing more than drink the juice of natural plants and fruits, and managed to prove their prognosis wrong. Did it kill cancer? Probably not, but it apparently kept their immune system strong enough to do that job in the manner it normally does for the majority of people.
If they did chemotherapy the entire time, their existence would be attributed to the chemo. But for their juicing efforts? It’s said to be nothing more than luck… I find the hypocrisy blinding.
I am just one among many, that used medicinal strength herbs to actually kill cancer cells. My last surgeon found remnants of dead cancer cells and the damage from what was once cancer that had riddled my small intestine. I suppose they just up and died all by themselves? Perhaps, but it amazed my physicians, and they have no other explanation for the occurrence. “Keep doing what you were doing”, was their collective comment.
It bothers me, that so much time and money is being spent on items that have no merit, while people that are alive thanks to inexpensive resolves get ignored or harassed.
I suppose that’s my pet peeve; wishing I could get people to listen to those that have had something actually work for them, instead of listening to wishful thinkers….
Life’s too short already, why waste it fighting? Is it really only all about “my way is better than your way”?
If so, tell me about -your way- that worked…. And I’ll listen with more objectivity.
Try to be healthy, I can only wish for you to be healthy; I can't make it happen.
John
Joined: Jun 2012
grabbing at straws?
"The issue is regarding those that promote things that have not provided any historical proof of it working."
Apart from you John is there another member on CSN that has been 'cured' by TCM?
"The “peer reviewed” comment can not be taken seriously" are you serious???
"there’s been an awful lot of the promotion of expensive therapies that do little, if anything to extend one’s life"....which one's exactly.
"And “double-blind randomized trials”? Of what? “Apricot seed extract”? “Scorpion venom”? “Grape seed extract”? “Coffee enemas”?
Well lets look at a trial;
Xiyuan Hospital, China Academy of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Beijing, China
China Academy of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Xiyuan Hospital, Oncology Department, Beijing, China
"Assessment of the effects of herbal medicines in the treatment of advanced stage colorectal cancers requires more high quality and large sample size of clinical trials to validate it. Until now, we are unable to recommend any kind of Chinese herbal medicines for the routine treatment in advanced stage colorectal cancers before finding more reliable and sufficient evidence."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004653.pub2/abstract
Seems maybe you could add TCM to your list.
It's great it worked for you but not even the China Academy of Traditional Chinese Medicine will recommed it.
PERSONALLY I would say why not try it!
Joined: Oct 2009
Out of curiosity, have any of you looked at any "research"
on grape seed extract and colon cancer? I'm not saying its effective or not i only cite stuff i've read that sounds promising or potentially helpful. As anybody can read, i'll stop wasting my time typing stuff that's deemed worthless........
Joined: Aug 2012
Please continue to post info
Please continue to post info colocan....I don't always respond and don't read all of the posts, but I appreciate the time everyone takes to find things of interest and use the search function all the time - so even if I'm not interested in reading about grape seed extract today, I may well be looking for more info about it tomorrow! I really appreciate the ability to learn and read about things that I may not find in searching the internet on my own.
Joined: Dec 2012
Let's see, the doctor tells
Let's see, the doctor tells you you have stage 4 cc, spread to your liver. You ask if there is a cure. The doctor says no, you have a few months to maybe a couple of years, with standard treatment. Basically, you have a doctor telling you you have at the most a couple of years. My fiance was told 1.5 years at the most with chemo. He looked for an alternative and found one. We both use it. I am not promoting it. But I also should not be put down, nor anyone else be put down, for trying alternatives if they wish. It is working for both of us (we both feel better than we have in years; my fiance only feels sick when he increases one pill up from the half dose chemo pills he taking now in the a.m. and p.m.; he then goes back to half dose and he is fine). I have stated on my profile that my fiance didn't know, personally, a couple of people where he works that this worked on, I would not use it myself. I agree with manwithnoname, especially when your doctor tells you there is no cure, u are terminal, u have x amount of months left. We both have the same oncologist who just cannot believe how well we are both doing. He is especially amazed that I have tolerated the chemo tx so well. I will have my 8th folfox Friday, take the pump home over the weekend. I have had minimal side-effects, thank God. I am back at school, full of more energy than I had before I got this dx in November. My liver has shrunk to the point I now have to lift my head up so he can feel it. I will have my colostomy reversed in June. The surgeon who told me I had two years was shocked when I walked into his office last Thursday to discuss the reversal. Our oncologist says, "Keep doing what you are doing;" he knows about the alternative. I'm not going to to on about drug companies and such. I guess I don't understand why they do trials and such with the chemicals, but they won't do trials with the alternative stuff that is out there. That's a debate I don't want to get into, but if people are told, "This is going to kill you in 3 months" I think I'd be checking into some other things.
Judy
Joined: Jun 2012
Well Judy
glad to hear this supplement is working, just to let you (and everyone) know you are free to talk about anything you want here that doesn't break CSN T.O.S.
What you are not allowed to do is be "rude, demeaning, crass, insulting, indecent, pornographic, obscene, objectionable or offensive,"
In future if you believe someone is breaking any terms do NOT bother with a moderator or flag a post, write to the CSN webmaster; webmaster@acscsn.org.
Some examples of what is expected.
Don’t give medical advice or tell others what they should or shouldn’t think, feel, or do.
Don't bully.
Don’t ‘interrogate’ or harass anyone. It is not your place to ascertain whether someone is "really" a cancer survivor or cancer caregiver. If you have any suspicions about someone, report them.
Don’t investigate other CSN members. If you have a concern about someone, report it
ACS reserves the right to inactivate your account for failure to adhere to the above guidelines or for any other behavior that is deemed to be detrimental to the welfare of the CSN community.
Joined: Oct 2009
Ummm lets see
I log on on 3/18, I see a discussion started on 3/18, I respond to it on 3/18, I just can't figure out how I should have responded a few days earlier.....
Tina
Joined: Jan 2010
Tina
Judy's starting post on this thread was on the following thread first: http://csn.cancer.org/node/256001
Joined: Apr 2010
Judy
Since I only PM those that I have a close relationship with, I can tell you that your statement about bully PM's are in fact a lie.
I was ignoring your post (someone PMed me and told me about your vicious mean spirited post and said you were referring to me) until this out outright lie was posted.
the only PM that ever went to someone I disagreed with was to manwithnoname and ONLY because he PMed me asking me why I hated him. My response was "why would you think I hate you? Hate infers I care about you, and since I do not, I cannot hate you". That has been the extent of any PM with anyone I never agreed with. There has been none other, ever. Please do not post lies, and if you want to say "others" told you that, why not ask them for those PMs?
Winter Marie
Joined: Dec 2012
Thank you, because if I got
Thank you, because if I got one from you , Winter, I'd copy and post it here. Someone mentioned gang mentallity. It seems if someone stands up to you, you have a small group that comes to your side. That's fine. But if I was saying things that were so hurtful that people started thinking I hated them, I'd feel very bad about myself. My hope for you is that you think before you post about how it comes across. I'm wondering why your friends figured out it was you I was referring to? I was hoping you would figure it out and maybe tone down a bit. Accusing someone about knowing someone before, making it sound like some kind of conspiracy, was something. Watching you do this to people is sad. Again, people should be able to post without attacks. I hope you find some peace within yourself so maybe you can stop this nonsense. I'm sure those ladies are probably going to have something to say to me, or flag me, or whatever. I'm reminded about "cliques." In my years of teaching I've seen this happen as young as first grade. It's really too bad to be watching it here...
Judy
Joined: Jan 2010
Judy: I bet you can help us here with the skills you have
learned working with children as it seems you may teach elementary-age school children.
If it is anything like being a parent ... I imagine that you have to have a great deal of patience and some ever-ready tricks up your sleeve to help de-escalate tense situations.
Think of the board as a big classroom full of often sensitive, sometimes ill-behaved and unruly children ... help us calm the tense situations with your personal skills.
And please, please, do not respond to this post with a negative one. I am reaching out to you as respectfully as I can. Please hear me. -- Cynthia
Joined: Jan 2010
Everybody please go to their respective corners ...
This is sort of turning into a gang-type mentality.
Tomorrow is a new day.
Get some good restorative sleep.
Go hug somebody you love.
Really you can just let this go?
Pretty please?
With sugar on top?
Joined: Nov 2012
first time posting
First time posting so not sure if I am doing it right..........Just read the entire thread and all I can say is WOW
Joined: Jan 2007
Mrsdw48 –
Did you know, that “wow” spelled backwards is “wow”? My friend Otto told me that…
Welcome to the board, by the way. You’ll find that being here is much safer than being an Italian in an Irish bar on Saint Patty’s day.
It’s not always this bad; it sort of morphs into a calm state and ebbs into the tides of hell periodically, but nothing that lasts more than a few weeks (at a time)… (maybe longer).. (mostly longer)..
You’ll have fun here! If you ever get bored, just tell someone that what they’re doing to fight cancer won’t work…. And that…. Will make things interesting again!
Best wishes,
John
Joined: May 2005
And...
Wow upside down is Mom (or Mom upside down is WOW)
Now that these posts are on my radar I'll follow this closer.
You're looking more normal to me lately John... I'm very concerned
Mrsdw48, if you haven't started a fracas you may be doing something wrong...
We have to remember that this site is only a medium for us.
Fights are not rare and they're seldom well-done.
Overall, it's a great site. We're family and like most families we have crazy relatives.
It puts the fun in dysfunctional
Joined: Oct 2011
Now I am going to go stand on my head to see if that's true...
hang on a sec. Amazing. It is 100% accurate. Transformed by a headstand from "mom" to "wow". But now I'm...stuck. Help? Anyone?
Joined: Aug 2012
Funny funny....the fighting
Funny funny....the fighting bothered me in the beginning...but now its kind of making me feel good about my kids. I just said to them at dinner last night that theyve been getting along so nicely lately. I guess relatively speaking....
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