chemo induced diarrhea and nutrient deficencies

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  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    #22
    Betsydoglover said:

    Minerals for Joint Pain
    Hi Lisa - I'm so glad this has worked for you.

    I also have osteoarthritis, so not sure it would. I do take calcium and magnesium.

    I would caution people to look at their blood work (comprehensive metabolic panel) and check their potassium levels before going gung ho with potassium supplements. Low potassium is bad, but high potassium can result in heart attacks. My CMP (every 3 weeks) shows normal potassium (but high normal). Supplementing potassium could easily send me into an elevated range which can be serious. So, please have a look at blood work before supplementing potassium.

    P.S. If you google calcium orotate, there are several internet sources.

    Magnesium
    Should also be monitored. Too much can be as bad as too little.

    From the NIH website:

    What is the health risk of too much magnesium?
    Dietary magnesium does not pose a health risk, however pharmacologic doses of magnesium in supplements can promote adverse effects such as diarrhea and abdominal cramping. Risk of magnesium toxicity increases with kidney failure, when the kidney loses the ability to remove excess magnesium. Very large doses of magnesium-containing laxatives and antacids also have been associated with magnesium toxicity [25]. For example, a case of hypermagnesemia after unsupervised intake of aluminum magnesia oral suspension occurred after a 16 year old girl decided to take the antacid every two hours rather than four times per day, as prescribed. Three days later, she became unresponsive and demonstrated loss of deep tendon reflex [57]. Doctors were unable to determine her exact magnesium intake, but the young lady presented with blood levels of magnesium five times higher than normal [25]. Therefore, it is important for medical professionals to be aware of the use of any magnesium-containing laxatives or antacids. Signs of excess magnesium can be similar to magnesium deficiency and include changes in mental status, nausea, diarrhea, appetite loss, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat [5,57-60].
  • Scambuster
    Scambuster Member Posts: 973
    #23
    Buckwirth said:

    Magnesium
    Should also be monitored. Too much can be as bad as too little.

    From the NIH website:

    What is the health risk of too much magnesium?
    Dietary magnesium does not pose a health risk, however pharmacologic doses of magnesium in supplements can promote adverse effects such as diarrhea and abdominal cramping. Risk of magnesium toxicity increases with kidney failure, when the kidney loses the ability to remove excess magnesium. Very large doses of magnesium-containing laxatives and antacids also have been associated with magnesium toxicity [25]. For example, a case of hypermagnesemia after unsupervised intake of aluminum magnesia oral suspension occurred after a 16 year old girl decided to take the antacid every two hours rather than four times per day, as prescribed. Three days later, she became unresponsive and demonstrated loss of deep tendon reflex [57]. Doctors were unable to determine her exact magnesium intake, but the young lady presented with blood levels of magnesium five times higher than normal [25]. Therefore, it is important for medical professionals to be aware of the use of any magnesium-containing laxatives or antacids. Signs of excess magnesium can be similar to magnesium deficiency and include changes in mental status, nausea, diarrhea, appetite loss, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat [5,57-60].

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    ERBITUX
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    ERBITUX - 2

    Note in Site 2 that they do not mention side effects that occur in less than 10% of patients. Whew !

    ERBITUX - 3


    Note the list 'rare warning's 'Complete stoppage of the heart'. I AM TYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER WORD THEY COULD HAVE USED HERE ??

    Now just watch those vitamins.
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642
    #24
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    thanks mike
    i'll checkout the zone diet.
    the pain is pretty extreme at times.
    i am hooked on the wipes AS WELL.

    hugs,
    pete

    Hooked on Cottonelle Wipes
    Me, too!
    Cheryl
  • Unknown
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    #25
    westie66 said:

    Hooked on Cottonelle Wipes
    Me, too!
    Cheryl

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  • SisterSledge
    SisterSledge Member Posts: 332 Member
    #26
    unknown said:

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    probiotics, kefir and such
    When I was suffering with five years of diarrhea that was misdiagnosed as Irritable Bowel Syndrome, I used probiotics a lot, trying many different kinds on the market. What I found to work the best for me was a liquid, tangy, yogurty sort of thing they kept in a special refrigerator near the supplements at the health food store...for me it worked better than the pills.

    Graci, here's a link to a site showing how to make Kefir , and the MakingKefir site has a link there you can use to get to a site that sells the fermenting grains. I don't like the taste of kefir but I do have friends who have it regularly and swear by it. It seems to me that if you look at native/indigenous people's diets, you'll rarely find adults consuming sweet/fresh milk...but you will usually find that they use fermented dairy products regularly.
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    #27
    Betsydoglover said:

    Minerals for Joint Pain
    Hi Lisa - I'm so glad this has worked for you.

    I also have osteoarthritis, so not sure it would. I do take calcium and magnesium.

    I would caution people to look at their blood work (comprehensive metabolic panel) and check their potassium levels before going gung ho with potassium supplements. Low potassium is bad, but high potassium can result in heart attacks. My CMP (every 3 weeks) shows normal potassium (but high normal). Supplementing potassium could easily send me into an elevated range which can be serious. So, please have a look at blood work before supplementing potassium.

    P.S. If you google calcium orotate, there are several internet sources.

    Thanks, Betsy
    Thanks for the info, Betsy. Good to know there are internet sources for the calcium orotate. I didn't find any before, so I'll check again, as it may be less expensive there than I get from the nat. dr.
    Also- a good word on being cautious of the potassium reading. Since I've never dealt with high levels, I was not aware of the implications of having too much potassium.

    Take care!
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    #28
    Scambuster said:

    And More
    And more

    ERBITUX
    and

    ERBITUX - 2

    Note in Site 2 that they do not mention side effects that occur in less than 10% of patients. Whew !

    ERBITUX - 3


    Note the list 'rare warning's 'Complete stoppage of the heart'. I AM TYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER WORD THEY COULD HAVE USED HERE ??

    Now just watch those vitamins.

    And your point is...
    ?
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #29
    unknown said:

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    wow graci now this is an interesting study
    hugs and love,
    pete

    ps the probiotic iam on costs $100 per 60 capsules at 2 per is for a month. expensive but effective in my case.
  • Unknown
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    #30
    pete43lost_at_sea said:

    wow graci now this is an interesting study
    hugs and love,
    pete

    ps the probiotic iam on costs $100 per 60 capsules at 2 per is for a month. expensive but effective in my case.

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  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    #31
    unknown said:

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    thanks graci
    I always appreicate your comments.

    I to am hammering glutamine and ala

    hus
    pete
  • westie66
    westie66 Member Posts: 642
    #32
    unknown said:

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    VitB6
    Hi Graci: Oh yes, forgot to mention that - one day I take just Vit B6 (of the B's) then the next I take a B50 complex (always in addition to L-Glutamine, Alpha....., cal/mag). I think that it has really really helped with the neuropathy in addition to the reduced dose and infusion rate of the folfoxfiri. For example, today I had an ice cold coke with ice!!!!!!! and it was so so so good (it is very warm and humid here today). Nothing much seems to work with the diarrhea except that now the length of its occurrence is not weeks but rather days (if I'm very very good about eating the BRAT stuff). But the other day I just had to have a frosty milkshake and I risked it and paid for it so no more (but it too was delicious!). A bit of fatigue this time around - perhaps because my blood pressure has dropped (100/50 last week, 110/70 this week - I take pills for high blood pressure but doctor won't let me stop them).
    There was a news item here today about a cocktail that will be given here to cancer patients who are getting a lot of CT and other radiation-type scans during their treatments. It has been found that too many scans of course can in fact cause some kinds of cancers. Anyways, the researchers have developed an anti-oxidant cocktail that will be given when they have scans. I wish Iknew the content but of course they didn't give it out. My oncologist forbids me to have anti-oxidants during chemo. Comments?
    Cheryl

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