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pepebcn
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I eat tons of both in my life !
Take care !

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I love citrus fruits and live where they grow like weeds. (NW of Los Angeles) We also eat various citrus fruits all year long in abundance, and yet I still had cancer.

I could not stomach citrus fruits when I was on chemo at all. A small sweet variety tangerine I could stomach. (Cuties or Tangeolos) A half of a glass of citrus juice and I was running to the toilet. Now that Chemo is over I am eating oranges and even had a glass of Grapefruit juice. I have not dared to eat a lemon yet. (I love the miller lemons.)

Best Always, mike

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Miller Lemons have thick skins similar to a grapefruit and the are the size of an orange. They have a really bright yellow skin and are much sweeter and have larger pulp then normal lemons. Millers are a popular citrus tree in SoCal for a private yard. There are some commercially grown, but a small percentage of the overall commercial lemon crop.

Best Always, mike

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Hi Gracie,
I think they're Meyer Lemons, they grow out here in California. Really nice, not as bitter/sharp tasting as regular lemon.

http://meyerlemontree.com/

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One thing to keep in mind, since we all react to individually to things...the reaction one person has to a treatment may be entirely different than another will experience. To me, it makes sense to try things on your body that seem likely to be helpful and non-harmful even if there is not consensus on the efficacy...it might work for me :)

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Was a young Urological surgeon at University of Chicago in the late 1920's. Having no real experience with operating on bladders, kidneys, genitals or the prostate, he was having difficulty finding patients, so he set up a lab to study prostatic fluid, which he extracted from the prostates of dogs.

He noticed that if the dog was fixed, the prostrate was shriveled, but that if he injected the animal with testosterone it revived to its full glory.

Many of the dogs came to him with cancer of the prostate (something that only happens in humans, dogs and lions) and initially, since all he wanted was the fluid, he thought these useless. However, he tried castrating one of the animals he found that the cancer shriveled with the prostate!

In the 1890's George Beatson had noticed something similar with breast cancer (it was actually something he garnered listening to the local dairy farmers discussing their cattle, he just decided to see if his human patients reacted the same way). If the uterus is removed almost 2/3rds of the time the cancer dies. Of course at this time no one knew what estrogen was, and the experiment was quickly forgotten.

Turns out there are at least two kinds of breast cancer, ER positive and ER negative (ER stands for Estrogen Receptor) that is why it did not work for all the patients. In 1962 a patent was filed in England for what was supposed to have been a birth control pill, however, instead of the intended effect of enhancing Estrogen, it stopped it cold, and was considered of no use as a drug, until its creators remembered the bit about ER Positive tumors and wondered if it could be used in the fight against cancer... Thus was born Tamoxifen, the first drug to target a specific pathway in the tumor itself rather than a general cellular poison that destroyed indiscriminately.

So yes, you are correct that there are differences. Even those who seemingly have the same cancer, in the same location can have differences, and what works for one may not work for another.

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Re:
"the first drug to target a specific pathway in the tumor itself
rather than a general cellular poison that destroyed indiscriminately. "

More research would have indicated otherwise. Tamoxifen is apparently
unable to "target a specific pathway", but rather it "blocks the effects of
the estrogen hormone in the body."

Tamoxifen isn't without it's cautions and hazards, since it can't
isolate (target) cancer cells specifically. It can cause indiscriminate
damage to our body, just as any other toxic chemical can!

It should also be noted, that Tamoxifen is a known carcinogenic,
and is responsible for many "second cancers", or cancers that
are not related to the initial dx.

Here's some easy reading about Tamoxifen from the Mayonnaise Clinic

Be well; stay well.

John

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Did you know that the birth control pill may be carcinogenic? Of course it is not the pill itself, but the schedule of three weeks on one week off, something that was done to appease the church, not because it had any health benefit. (turns out women who have lots of children (and thus fewer menstrual cycles) have lower incidence of BC.

Hormones are tricky things, but they are not a "Toxic Chemical" of the class of 5FU.

What is the point? This was a change in the way researchers looked at cancer and ways of holding it back. Personally I find this kind of discovery interesting, mostly because it changes the game. We have some drugs that popped up in the last decade or so that are a direct result of this kind of change in thinking (Erbitux comes to mind).

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My mother was amazed that I loved lemons as a baby. All my life I have eaten a lot of lemons, limes, and grapefruit. Unfortunately I still got colon cancer. I stopped eating red meat at age 17. I had a huge organic garden and froze and canned most of what we ate out of season. Non-smoker. Never overweight. Moderate to heavy exercise all my life.

I don't think citrus can hurt at all. And I still have as much as I can tolerate. But I don't think it can be a cure for me. Might work for someone else though. We all react differently.

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"However, the best that can be said at this point is that citrus fruits may potentially harbor anti-cancer properties that could help ward off cancer. No reputable scientific or medical studies have reported that lemons have been found to be a "proven remedy against cancers of all types," nor has any of the (conveniently unnamed) "world's largest drug manufacturers" reported discovering that lemons are "10,000 times stronger than chemotherapy" and that their ingestion can "destroy malignant [cancer] cells." All of those claims are hyperbole and exaggeration not supported by facts. "

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The first part of the article (as far as I read) attributes anticancer activity to lemonene, which it says is in lemon zest. Unless you make lemonade in an unusual way, that doesn't imply that lemonade would be helpful in fighting cancer.

--Greg

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The title is a play on words, nothing more.

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i'll add some lemon to my jiucing when i get home.
i was advised to have a lemon jiuce every morning by naturopath #3 but never rely got into it.
its tasty and does not hurt and my father in law has a lemon tree.

hugs,
pete

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Sorry, I should have written "limonene" for the agent in lemon zest said to be therapeutic.

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Given the day, I think you can consider yourself forgiven.

:)

Hopefully you are having a happy Easter. Though the weather is nice here in So Cal, it would be nice to be there in Hawaii!

Blake

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Doesn't that defeat the purpose. Cancer LOVES Sugar. Stevia is a better choice.

John23
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Re:
"Doesn't that defeat the purpose. Cancer LOVES Sugar. Stevia is a better choice."

*Stevia

If you attempt to "starve" cancer cells by withholding sugar/glucose,
you will starve your good cells first.

Cancer steals glucose from your body, you'll kill yourself quicker
doing what's not natural.

Good grief. The industry makes life so complicated and confusing.

Ask any 80+ year old if they got that old thanks to eliminating things
like sugar, salt, and the host of other items you're hearing about, that
are now called "bad".

Eat and drink whatever you are in the mood for, but do everything
in moderation.

High fructose corn syrup is now FDA approved to be called
"corn sugar"; the industry paid for that change! And HFCS is in
everything we eat and drink. It's cheaper to use than cane sugar,
so the industry paid for "studies" to show you how terribly bad
cane sugar is.

Following the money trail can often bring you to the truth faster
than following the "designated" path.

Moderation is the key.

(I thought momma taught that to us)

Better health wishes,

John

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John and I are on the same page here.

The sugar connection to cancer comes from a scientist named Otto Warburg, who won the Nobel Prize (not for cancer research, rather for discovering the respiratory enzyme, An enzyme, such as oxidase, that transfers electrons from its substrate to molecular oxygen during cellular respiration) in the first half of the twentieth century, at a time when NO CANCER WAS CONSIDERED CURABLE and less than a century after leukemia had been identified as a named disease, though not yet a cancer (1847). By the second half (1960's) all of his conclusions about cancer had been disproved and were dropped by reputable science, and our current understanding of Cancer was in a kind of golden age (something John and I probably disagree on).

On the Mayo Clinic page dealing with sugar and cancer it also lists two other myths:

Good people do not get cancer and Cancer is contagious

Mayo and Sugar on Toast

Kind of puts it in perspective.

This country's food policy, factory farming (something we used to make fun of when the Soviet Union did it), and dependence on a single food source (corn) is a huge subject, akin to global warming. Personally I have no desire to tackle it on this site.

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My dad has had stage 4 colon cancer for 4 years also. DX around June or July 2007. He eats Sugar. Mom buys a couple of pies and ice cream every week. So anytime we can avoid adding sugar we do. I have heard to keep the body's sugar level at 90 and below would be the most beneficial for the person with cancer. Yes I have seen several places that the cancer will still from the body and send to the liver to make a source of food to feed on. I have also heard that by keeping the body alkaline that this will help to prevent this.

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The "theory" you speak of says that cancer loves an acidic environment and dies in an alkaline environment (btw, all from the same Nobel prize winner mentioned before).

For a moment, let's assume this to be true. The most alkaline portion of the body should therefore be cancer free, and the most acidic should be, at the very least, a prime spot for cancer.

The most alkaline: courtesy of the pancreas it is the colon

The most acidic: the stomach

Colon cancer is the #3 killing cancer

Pancreatic is the #4 killing cancer

Stomach? Not sure, but it is not 1 or 2.

You cannot change the alkalinity of the body, it is a highly regulated function, if it did change, up or down, you would get ill and die. The alkalinity of urine can be changed, as that is the bodies way of disposing of its excess.

As John pointed out, nothing wrong with healthy diet: cutting back the sugar and getting off the SoFas certainly can't hurt.

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Yeah for common sense! I get so tired of hearing the ridiculous claims that you can make your body alkaline, or starve cancer by not eating any sugar. Our bodies are very complex machines that work very, very hard to maintain the alkaline/acid that they do. Each area of the body needs something different to function at its best and our bodies regulate that.

As for sugar, without sugar we would die. Simple as that. Now you can choose for your intake of sugars to be healthier options than others, but you need sugar to live. Carbohydrates are sugar. Fruit has sugar. Many foods have sugar. Sweeteners are not the only sugars.

MODERATION, and eating everything in as close to its natural state, with the fewest chemical or genetic alterations, is the best we can do. Extremism is not good any way you look at it.

There is no miracle cure for cancer. There are things we can do (including diet modification) that certainly won't hurt, and might help. But no miracle food solution.

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Are you saying I should put down my box of sugar cubes and just eat a banana?

:-0

AnneCan
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1 cup = 250 ml, so 4o ml is a very small amount. 1Tbsp = 15 ml and a tsp = 5 mL.

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"I want the real thing!"

And that is why we love you!

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Very interesting Blake! I printed out the article. I'm going to ask my onc what he knows. And I'm going to Target to look for a citrus supplement :)

Love and hugs, Gail

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I have also read this before and will order a lemonade. I have also read that tangerine skins are great anti cancer fruit, so I have juiced it in with my juices. I've tried blend it and whoa, it is too too bitter. Yikes!

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