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daisy366
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Since this seems to be a hot topic, Does anyone know if there's any research that compares results of alternative versus western medicine for treatment of aggressive cancers?

california_artist
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Well, here's something from MD Anderson site this morning. I know they have been investigation the effects of alternative vs western medicine. They also look at the using the two synergitically.

You know how I love the Anti Cancer, A New Way of life book, well, look at who their main speaker is:

Using Natural Defense in Cancer Prevention and Care
David Servan-Schreiber, M.D., Ph.D., renowned psychiatrist and researcher in neurocognitive function, cofounder of Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders), spoke at an Integrative Medicine Program Lecture Series special program on July 12, 2009. Dr. Servan-Schreiber is the author of the acclaimed book, "Anticancer: A New Way of Life", a New York Times bestseller translated into more than 33 languages.

What health behaviors can help to stimulate our natural mechanisms against developing cancer? What has been happening since World War II in societies of developed nations that has promoted a dramatic rise in the occurrence of cancer?

Using Natural Defense in Cancer Prevention and Care (58:24)

Read more about Dr. Servan-Schreiber's visit to M. D. Anderson in Focused on Health.
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As a case in point, he is a prime example. He was told he was going to die soon and there wasn't much western medicine could do. He did some thinking, but mostly he thought that since someone had to be at the long end of the median curve, why not him. So, he went on a research search and found things that have kept him alive and well for many years. His book talks about the alternative approaches he has taken.

Also, the other huge mamma jamma I've spoken of before, by Dr. Boik, is all about what responses different herbs have caused cancer cells to have.

This morning, I was reading how positive the effect of exercise was on the longevity of those theoretically doomed by their doctors. It ain't over til its over. I suggest that all of you who have sorta given up, not you Mary Ann, I know you're a fighter like me, but for those of you who are feeling helpless, which is totally understandabale given the circumstances, and I do mean this in rather, but not really, tongue in cheek manner, what if while you're lying there waiting to die, you get one of these stupid books, start reading, and see if maybe you don't just change your mind about the death thing. Just the act of fighting, the act of not accepting that it's over has life lengthening curative powers, which you would read about if read the book mentioned above.

As I said before, I'm going more or less off line soon. I'll be checking back periodically and sure as hell don't want to find out any of you wonderful people just gave up and died. Think about something you feel passionately about. Now feel that passion in your gut. It's an actual strong visceral feeling. It makes you want to do something. That's what you need to feel with power to start doing everything you can, not just what your doctors say. If you have children, think about someone threatening your children, feel that power, that will to do anything to save them. Harness that power to care enough to save your lives. Just writing this has gotten me fired up again. I have never given up on you. sometimes you make me want to throw my hands up in the air and just walk away. I can't. I have to keep at it, even when some of you have asked me to quit nagging, I WON'T! Your life may depend on my getting through to you. Read my prior posts. Look for information that applies to your situation. You may be in the fight of your life. Get mad as hell and refuse to take it anymore.

Like I said, Good Morning, Mary Ann, and good long life to you all.

Love and kisses, your best friend, as only your best friend would risk losing your friendship to save your life,

Claudia

Well, okay, your mom and dad would too.

No spell check this time. figure out the words

bonniesue
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Hi starfish, Who do you see at Northwestern (gyne onc, alternative, etc. I cannot remember what stage and grade or type of endometrial cancer was your diagnosis) but would appreciate any info you have re: your txs. Thanks, I appreciate any info you could give.

bonniesue
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thanks for the info. will email with heading of cancer survivor's network alt. western. med. thanks again

bonniesue
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Tried to email? is that correct?

california_artist
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These mostly address how the two in combination, used synergisticlly, have a much greater success rate than when used alone, or when taxol is used alone. Turmeric does very well on its own. I needs to be heated and should most likely be used in conjunction with oil to be best absorbed. Look up articles on turmeric to find out that stuff. I mentioned this yesterday I think but, we have mostly UPSC and it for the most part both ER AND PR NEGATIVE. Taxol does have a modest response rate to those hormone factors. In conjunction with turmeric it's even better. Sometimes, honestly, I do feel like giving up here. I'm going to go get coffee and see if I can't buck my spirits some. I hope some of you do something...claudia

Early Study Shows Spice Stunts Deadly Spread To LungsOct 15, 2005 ... Curcumin, the main ingredient of turmeric and the compound that gives curry its ... In fact, researchers found that adding curcumin to Taxol ...
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051015091008.htm - Cached - Similar

Breast Cancer Choices - CurcuminRecent studies have revealed that cucumin, extracted from turmeric ... lungs than mice fed no curcumin or on taxol alone.(6) ...
www.breastcancerchoices.org/curcumin.html - Similar

Turmeric fights breast cancerTurmeric is a yellow spice used widely in Indian cooking. ... But 75 per cent of animals that got Taxol alone and 95 per cent of those that got no treatment ...
medicineworld.org/.../6.../turmeric-fights-breast-cancer.html - Cached - Similar

Curcumin halts spread of breast cancer in miceOct 15, 2005 ... Curcumin, the main ingredient of turmeric and the compound that gives ... Taxol activated the NF-kB in breast cancer cells, while curcumin ...
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/.../uotm-chs101305.php - Cached - Similar

Turmeric for Breast Cancer Prevention?Dec 2, 2005 ... Is it true that turmeric can prevent breast cancer? ... one got the cancer drug Taxol and the fourth group got curcumin plus Taxol. ...
www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA360804 - Cached - Similar

The Telegraph - Calcutta : KnowHOWTurmeric makes anti-cancer drugs more powerful. G.S. Mudur reports ... Curcumin and taxol, when used in combination, induces almost double the amount of ...

www.telegraphindia.com/1050131/asp/.../story_4281945.asp - Cached
Turmeric slows breast cancer spread in miceJun 10, 2005 ... Turmeric, a yellow spice often used in curries, stops the spread of ... But 75 per cent of animals that got Taxol alone and 95 per cent of ...

www.nutraingredients.com/.../Turmeric-slows-breast-cancer-spread-in-mice - Cached
Alternative Cancer Therapies - CANHELP|Alternative Cancer ...Studies are showing that turmeric may help fight breast cancer, colon cancer, ... which is sold under the brand name Taxol; or curcumin plus Taxol. ...
www.canhelp.com/turmeric.htm - Cached - Similar

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You are always so tenacious when on the hunt for something you are passionate about. Thank you. I wonder though how much research has been done on alternative vs. western. Like your decision to use nutrition vs. chemo etc. There needs to be read research on this!!! so that women have more hard facts that can help them with their decision-making.

What do you think about pushing for this with that new group????

Your friend, Mary Ann

california_artist
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My brain is taking a break. I got nothin' in the knowing what you're talking about realm.

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Claudia, Maureen posted this recently - this is what I referred to. Mary Ann

Hi All:

I recently received a copy of the latest Gynecologic Cancer Foundation's Newsletter in the mail. It includes information about the newly-formed Endometrial Cancer Advocacy Group, and states that this initiative marks the first time that there has been a national endometrial cancer (EC) group whose purpose is to create awareness about early warning signs of EC and prevention steps, as well as to create a dialogue among women diagnosed with EC.

For more information, or to join the group, the Newsletter instructs you to contact Marsha Wilson, GCF's Director of Communications and Advocacy Relations at mwilson@thegcf.org or by calling 301-332-0117.

I thought I would pass this information along in case some of you might be interested.

Happy New Year,

MoeKay (Maureen)

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I am studying Simonton now and just started. Thanks Mary Ann for turning me on to this. I do believe you can change your beliefs and stress level through meditation which affects your immune system. We all have cancer cells in our bodies; our immune system gobbles them up. My Gyn Onc's husband (they are both married and do Gyn Onc together) told me that 30% of the time serous is "just gone" and no one know what's going on. But isn't that interesting?

I also think it is fascinating that taxol is from the Pacific Yew tree and has been helpful. Tumeric may have some value too and I need to read those books too.

Claudia, I love your passion for new ideas for healthy living. If you need to take a break from "us" I understand. Sometimes that is healthy too.

Love and hugs,
Diane

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Your nagging is synonomous with CARING.

Thanks for the wonderful reminder about Boik and The Anti-Cancer book. These authors are reinformcing ALL of what my guru SIMONTON said in 1979. He researched "given up for dead" cancer patients and had great success with the guided imagery techniques he taught. And guess what!! He tells us we need to lose the extra fat - yes, even us with serious cancer. And he talks of ONE HOUR of exercise twice a week even if you are bed-ridden. Figure that. How do you exercise with a IV in you - he tells how.

So add this to your reading list. GETTING WELL AGAIN. But just don't get it and let it sit. This is a book you have to read and DO what is recommended.

Like Claudia says, never throw in the towel. The WORST thing we can do is give up the FIGHT. It sounds like Claudia and I could be co-presidents of the nagging and caring club - NCC.

Hope, Love and blessings to all, Mary Ann

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Marie made me remember this. In this month's CURE Magazine (free for all of us cancer patients and an excellent publication) there's an article about how each of us are unique in many ways including the environment that our bodies provide to our cancer.

I think this fact alone validates the relevance of paying attention to all the things we can control - our diet, exercise, attitude, stress management, etc.

You can access CURE online also. Check it out at CURE.com

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The website to subscribe to CURE Magazine is actually "curetoday.com". I love it, lots of valuable information!

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check this out

http://www.everydayhealth.com/cancer-photos/top-foods-to-fight-cancer.aspx?xid=nl_EverydayHealthCancerCareandPrevention_20100207

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Thank you for posting this link- super helpful and concise. Have you by chance found any research that shows what you should be eating before you start chemo and what to eat during treatment to help make them more effective?

Kind Regards,

Amanda

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Amanda....please refer to the postings above (Jan 2 and the one on Jan 8 from Claudia)...The Anticancer Book is very good. You do need to let your oncology team know if you are taking any supplements when you start chemo as there are some herbs/antioxidents that interfere with the effect of the chemo drug.....

Best wishes to you!!!

Karen

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Also herbs and antioxidents are processed through your liver and can cause liver problems while doing chemo. Please make sure you get a list of things you can and cannot eat/drink during chemo. I made the mistake of eating mushrooms and drinking tea during chemo and my liver function was low after my second chemo treatment. Take care of that liver!

Hugs, Marge

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I actually just bought my mom that book last week- glad to know it comes recommended! We saw it in the gift shop where she got her surgery- hopefully we get it soon. That question, along with about thirty others- haha, will be asked during her follow up appointment with the gyno/onc. They are probably going to start asking my mom to leave me at home- haha

Best wishes to you too!

Amanda

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Has anyone used this?? I am in surveillence and wondering if this is a good thing to take.

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I have the original recipe from a Native Am 'medicine woman' friend of mine, but it is very difficult to make. I can give you the recipe. The next best is the capsules. The name has recently changed to Ojibwa Herbal Extract if you are looking for it in a health food store. I take 4 capsules a day and have taken it all through my treatments. It will soon be 4 years!! UPSC 1C. Hope this helps. Hugs

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I really did not know much about it so I googled it and found an article by Dr. Weil... You might want to check it out! He said, bottom line...avoid it. http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA400157

It is hard to know WHAT makes sense to try these days. I am going to take a class at one of the local not for profit organizations which offer education classes for those with chronic illnesses in March on Therapeutic Uses of Supplements and the Immune System by a Naturopathic Physician. I will let you know if I find out anything "exciting"....and I will try to remember to ask her about Essiac tea!

Karen

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The Essiac I have is says "from Rene M. Caisse Herbal Supplement Extract Formula".

I will research it further and I appreciate any other feedback anyone can provide.

Thank you. Mary Ann

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My oncologist told me to stop the antioxidants and only take the minimal vitamins. I'm really into alternative types and love my vitamins and foods. So...I backed off during treatments and since treatments ended July of last year I'm going full strength with them all.

Never really found any alternatives which I could rely on for treatments beyond chemo and radiation. I figured I'd get the hysterectomy over, have the treatments and then help my worn out cells with all the vitamins and great foods to heal my body. Others on same thinking path?

Glad to be on this site...as this is first posting...
Jan

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what vitamins and foods are you taking??

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Sorry didn't get this early to reply.

I'm on a liquid/powder mainly regimine of vitamins called Isotonix. They've helped me as don't need to be broken down like pills to enter the body. Skip the tummie and enter our systems. Been on them for one year and can't say enough good things about them. If interested I'm happy to explain more in detail, etc.

Foods? Well you name it everything that's plant related and NO FAST FOODS... No flour, margarine, fried, etc....on and on. Do eat as much from organic side of things and have learned to watch milk products which include cheese and then no red meat. If get chicken must be organic as don't have the hormones in them. Will have to post a list of some of my books on how to eat after cancer treatments.

Basics -- eat foods in natural content and avoid hormone treated meats. MUST BE PLANT BASED!!

I did go to seminar with speaker who was a Nutritionist. One thing I learned was using Olive oil is great but when it's heated it changes form and not good for us. Therefore, use a product such as Coconut Oil when cooking. Stay away from acid type foods, such as coffee....big no no! Go with green tea!

I'd love to hear what others are doing with vitamins and foods....

Jan

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I am interested in what you are reading. The Anticancer Book is very good. It probably is a good general guide.

List your favorite books if you don't mind. Mary Ann

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Mary Ann,

You know I've heard so much about the Anticancer book, but just haven't purchased or looked up at library. I'm a big Amazon gal, so if find it there I buy as tend to pick and choose parts of books to read depending on what's of interest in my life at that point in time.

Have a good friend who's a chemist and recently let go from her job, then diagnosed with breast cancer. She's very into what's good and not and has done so much research on cancer. I value her opinions as her research-based thinking has always been good. Yep she also recommends the Anticancer book.

Her book suggestion: LIFE OVER CANCER, by Keith I. Block, MD. (Amazon hard cover)

. Dietary choices that make the biochemical environment hostile to cancer growth and recurrence, and strengthen the immune system's ability to attach remaining cancer cells.

. Precise supplemtn protocols to tame treatment side affects, relieve disease-related symptoms, and modify processes like inflammation and clycemia that can fuel cancer if left untreated.

. A new paradigm for exercise and stress reduction that restores strength, reduces anxiety anddepression, and supports the body's own ability to heal.

CANCER IS NOT A DISEASE IT'S A SURVIVAL MECHANISM by Andreas Moritz

. This is very interesting to think how we could get cancer. Makes us think outside of the box.

. Discover cancer's hidden purpose, heal its root causes, and be healthier than ever

These are the most recent ones I've started to read, as mentioned I tend to move around in different parts of the book depending on where my needs are today.

Anyone have ideas for books, especially what I think most of us are needing is living life after cancer. Always open to new ideas.

Jan

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