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LivinginNH
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Hi All,

I usually post to the Colorectal board, but I've been stopping by here for the past week or so to read the posts from fellow caregivers. However, as I was reading the posts just now, I realized that a few of the newbies have been posting to posts that are over a year old. When this happens on the other board it can bring up strong emotions when you see the face of an old friend who has passed. So, just a friendly reminder to check the posting dates before replying.

I hope to get to know all of you better over time. Best wishes to all, Cynthia

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LilChemoSmoker
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I sure was emotionally charged there and didn't notice the date on the posting. Sorry if I caused any undue pain as that is the last thing I would want to do. Hope to know you more as well.

Regards,
Michelle

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KLScoville
Posts: 161
Joined: Mar 2011

That definitely makes sense Cynthia. I also should of read the date on the first post prior to replying. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone.

From now on I will make sure I reply on a recent post. Thanks for the eye opener!

Take care!
~Kelly

RAB73
Posts: 27
Joined: Oct 2011

So sorry if I offended anyone or opened old wounds. I just thought some of the new caregivers could relate. I will only reply to new posts from now on.

Best wishes,
Rachelle

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jimwins
Posts: 2038
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Thanks Cynthia. I have noticed this recently too.

Maybe a suggestion to "the powers that be" is to
create an archives site where these posts
are moved based on reasonable rules. Items
in the archives could be read/researched but
not allow a reply?

For example, if the post is X or more months old and
has not had a reply post in Y months, move the post to
archives. (Just an example of a rule - probably not
thorough enough).

I'm sure some of their systems people could analyze the
data and come up with something reasonable.
It would reduce some of the clutter that occurs in navigating
the site/posts. It might also speed things up if a lot of this
data that is still in the "active" state went to "archived"
and no longer has to be indexed for keywords, etc.

Just my 2 cents.

Jim

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LilChemoSmoker
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I wanna "like" button" too!

LOL

-Michelle

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palmyrafan
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a like button!

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catwink22
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I understand dealing with strong emotions of seeing an old friend that has passed, but some of this information is very helpful to our newbies and it shouldn't matter how old the post is. Not wanting to deal with the memory of a friend makes them forgotten, and that is sad. Seeing an old face is hard, but why not let it bring good memories of that someone and remember how they were here to help us when we needed it. I'm sure they would want to continue helping someone even though their journey has ended. I hope that my words live on and somewhere along the way they will help the many people that need it, a legacy of having been there.
Cat

Noellesmom
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I see the point about "opening wounds" but there is so much value to walking in the footsteps of others. Or, at least "seeing" their footsteps.

Some people post lengthy messages, others post just a few words, but all are invaluable.

I'm just saying...

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jimwins
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I agree with Cat and Noellsmom but the posts would not be lost
in an archived state. In fact they could just be flagged as archived
and still remain in the listing or something similar.

:)

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ddpekks
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Old posts have been invaluable to me and bringing them up should be a testament to those who plowed the fields before me. However, I think archiving them and makeing them unupdatable (is that a word?) would be a good thing. They would still be there, but we could take some of the info from them and make us a new, updated post, with their words of wisdom as guidance.

Just MHO!

D

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catwink22
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The fact that people are still responding to these posts means they are relevant and still needed. Also the posts are in by date order, so the older ones are at the bottom of the board. In my opinion, it kinda feels like it's putting them in a closet, they're there, but you have to open the door to see them. I would hate to think I would be "out of sight - out of mind" (although I'm sure there are a few people who would probably prefer me that way lol). A date is just a time stamp, does it really matter how old it is if the subject matter is what is important? Or if it's about dealing with the memories, if they remain in a listing you would still have to deal with that. There will always be reminders of the ones we lost, but they helped us along the way and I wouldn't want to take that from someone else. You know I Luv YA Jim! just have some strong feelings on this one.
Cat

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LilChemoSmoker
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Well put Cat and I couldn't agree more. Jim, the powers that be can simply get better servers. With all the people that get such support from these boards, I think they can keep the posts alive. I too would want to know that if something I have contributed helps others, then keep it in the 'active' files!

Hugs and Love!
-Michelle

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jimwins
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You know I love you guys :).
I didn't mean to open a can of worms either :).
I also have a little chemo brain going on so I'm not
explaining things very well I'm afraid.

PROBLEM:
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Following the point LivinginNH was making, sometimes newbies
respond to very old (technically not an active current discussion)
post and it floats toward the top on the Last Reply column.

I CREATED AN EXAMPLE:
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http://csn.cancer.org/node/135494

I took that discussion from 2000 and posted a
comment. It's now at or near the top of the list
based on last reply column. Nothing had been posted
to it since 2000 and the two members on the orginal
post haven't had activity since 2002.

Had I not posted to this it would have remained on the
"last page" which in a sense is kind of like being in the closet
or bottom of list. It's still there and available to be read
and posts can still be made to it.

POSSIBLE RESOLUTION:
----------------------------------
Maybe a better way to handle that is to "close" the discussion to posts.
Set up a tag that indicates "[CLOSED]". Items with "[CLOSED]"
would not allow new posts. This would prevent newbies/anyone from
posting to a discussion that is technically not currently active
(as in the example, no posts in 10+ years).

The topic title could look like this:

I need Tamoxifen and Prozac - [CLOSED]
-----------------------------------------------------

The [CLOSED} means the topic is no longer active for discussion
and replies can't be posted. The post is still in the list
as before and can be read, copied from, links to it made, etc.
It's not expired or removed from the site - just closed to discussion.

OTHER - NAVIGATION ON COLUMNS:
----------------------------------------------------

Topic Replies Created Last reply

We can sort topics on any of the columns above by clicking on the
header or the selected column (click the same header again to
switch from oldest to newest or newest to oldest order).

I hope this makes things clearer.

Jim

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catwink22
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Hey Jim!
That is so organized and user friendly! But my question is why are we closing it for discussion? I like the fact that it opens stuff up for discussion (like this thread lol!).
Cat

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jimwins
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Hey "Kitty" :)
I sent you an email by the way.

Well, on many discussion forums the items
do get closed to new posts at some point but the
entire discussion (thread) does remain intact.

Personally, I can work around things the way they are.
Similar to LinvinginNH, I just happened to have a similar
"annoyance" I guess to posting to something that really isn't
active - for example a topic that has had no activity on
it in a year or more.

To me a discussion in this setting is like a "conversation"
between two or more parties. The "conversation" is active
while parties are still participating within a reasonable
time frame. I mean most conversations (discussions) do
end at some point.

Maybe I'm just anal too :). I do tend to like things neat
and orderly. I'm the kind of person who can tolerate clutter
for a short while but if I'm around it too long, that's how
I begin to think. Of course that was before chemo. Who knows
what the "new me" is gonna be like ;).

Hugs

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catwink22
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Now I understand! Thank you! It's like hanging up the phone (which I have a hard time doing lol).
HELP! I'M TALKING AND I CAN'T SHUT UP!
I didn't think of it as "conversations", but that is what it is.
I'm a little OCD myself, I feel nervous if "things" get too chaotic, I just feel it's important to keep the information available.
Purrrr Purrrr
Cat

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jimwins
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Yes! I like the phone analogy.

Sending hugs and catnip your way,

Jim

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jimwins
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Joined: Aug 2011

This same discussion has been occurring on the Colorectal board.
I posted the paste below there.

Hugs,
Jim


=================================================
Hello everyone. I'm posting this as two discussions
about this have been occurring on two different boards (maybe more)
and oddly enough, roughly at the same time.

I'd just recently finished chemo and was bouncing on prednisone
so had difficulty in making my point.

Catwink22 and I went back and forth for awhile and she helped me
explain my point of view better. I've pasted that part of the
discussion below. I also pasted links to both of these discussions.
Forgive me Phil for not using your tips on how to make it show as a
link. I did read that during one of my chemo fogs and plan to return to it.
You have good information at your "expressions" and I appreciate that.

Personally, I'm in favor of closing discussions - meaning locked to posts.
If the topic comes up again, start a new discussion of the same topic.
Perhaps they could set up links to similar closed discussions?

I think of these discussions as "conversations" that are active while
their are people paricipating within a reasonable period of time.
Conversations do end. Another analogy would be a "conference call".
Would you dial into a conference call that was scheduled/occured on 2/1/2001
with no participation/activity since 4/15/2001 and attempt to participate?
That is kind of what's happening - especially with newbies.

I realize the information in some discussions is timeless and valuable - like
tips on being a caregiver, how to deal with grief, etc. Maybe a solution here
would be to "flag" those discussions for quick reference? Just a thought.

Sometimes this website is unusally slow - I don't know if resources being used
in indexing keywords and other things on active discussions is a factor or not.
My thought is on "closed" discussions, there would be no need to re-index them
as they would be completed (since no new posts).

Anyway, thanks for letting me share my 2 1/2 cents :)

Hugs and positive thoughts to all of you,

Jim


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Jimwins:
==========

Well, on many discussion forums the items
do get closed to new posts at some point but the
entire discussion (thread) does remain intact.

Personally, I can work around things the way they are.
Similar to LinvinginNH, I just happened to have a similar
"annoyance" I guess to posting to something that really isn't
active - for example a topic that has had no activity on
it in a year or more.

To me a discussion in this setting is like a "conversation"
between two or more parties. The "conversation" is active
while parties are still participating within a reasonable
time frame. I mean most conversations (discussions) do
end at some point.

Maybe I'm just anal too :). I do tend to like things neat
and orderly. I'm the kind of person who can tolerate clutter
for a short while but if I'm around it too long, that's how
I begin to think. Of course that was before chemo. Who knows
what the "new me" is gonna be like ;).

Catwink22 Response:
=======================

Now I understand! Thank you! It's like hanging up the phone
(which I have a hard time doing lol).
HELP! I'M TALKING AND I CAN'T SHUT UP!
I didn't think of it as "conversations", but that is what it is.
I'm a little OCD myself, I feel nervous if "things" get too chaotic, I just feel it's important to keep the information available.
Purrrr Purrrr
Cat

Jimwins response:
=========================

Yes! I like the phone analogy.

Sending hugs and catnip your way,

Jim


Colorectal Board discussion:
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http://csn.cancer.org/node/229191

Caregivers board discussion:
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http://csn.cancer.org/node/228762

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