Help PROOF vegetable juicing safe with diarrhea and help cancer ONC SAID NO JUICING TODAY !!!! help,

PhillieG said:

I'm No Expert
but that's never stopped me from commenting before!
;-)
I would think that if you are having serious diarrhea that putting basically more liquid in there would cause it to just run through you and possibly worsen your situation. Dehydration can be VERY serious, even deadly. Possibly you can do some juicing along with the BRAT diet to plug things up. You may have to sacrifice "purity" for getting nutrition if all of the juice passes through you like grass through a goose.

Just my opinion...
Good luck
-p

plh4gail said:

It was my surgeon, his Pa,
It was my surgeon, his Pa, and my onc that told me. I know that the raw veges are definitly the way to go under normal conditions, just not sure that is true for you and I just yet. The raw veges are not as easy for us to digest with the roughage and with your ilio things can move ultra fast. But as I dont know much info on blending, maybe without the peel would be an option. I am actually wanting a juicer myself, but was planning on fruits. I will be interested in what we can find about veges in the blender for us.

Gail

p.s. I posted you a thank you about forgiveness on an older post. I want you to know it, but dont remember which post now. So thank's again for the reminder

lisa42 said:

Pete-maybe add digestive enzymes?
Hi Pete,

Just a thought here- in addition to peeling your veggies and combining the BRAT diet with the juicing, perhaps taking a digestive enzyme would help with the digestion and possibly not cause more diarrhea. I know more liquid in= more liquid output, but give a thought to the digestive enzymes. I have met with a naturpathic/holistic gal twice now & she explained alot of things to me about the help of taking digestive enzymes. Diarrhea can often be caused by lack of absorbtion in our intestines.
The enzyme I'm taking focuses on fats, carbs, and protein, so you'd have to google or ask at a health food store/vitamin store about digestive enzymes targeted at fiber and/or vegetables. I know there's something out there for that!
"Regular" doctors never seem to know anything about these kinds of things, unfortunately, and they're hesitant to advocate patients doing anything they aren't knowledgeable about or that they think isn't "proven". Actually, digestive enzymes are proven to help with digestion issues for many people. People who have certain digestive diseases and also who have cystic fibrosis rely on digestive enzymes to stay alive. As a former teacher, I once had a student who had cystic fibrosis & he had to go to the office before lunch every day to take his enzymes. His mom told me, if he didn't, he'd get terrible diarrhea and wouldn't absorb any of the nutrients in the food he ate.

Take care & maybe this will help!
Lisa

John23 said:

Pete -

Well, I had to go way back to: http://csn.cancer.org/node/207506
to learn that you have an Ileostomy.

An ileostomy output is -always- more liquid than mass; "Gravy"
consistency (at best) is to be expected.

Your Ileum will only absorb a specific amount of liquid at any
one time. If you drink a large amount of liquid all at once,
or during a too short period of time, it will go right through
and out into the pouch; It's that simple.

You would be best to take in about 4 oz of water per hour,
since more won't be of any serious benefit, and too much
will run through faster, and can actually cause you to end up
getting less water into your system. That is the nature of an
Ileostomy.

Many physicians are not aware of the nuances of an Ileostomy,
and prescribe anti-diarrhea medications. It's foolish to do so,
since it invariably causes more digestive problems.

Trying to treat dehydration by drinking a lot of water at once,
and too frequently, will cause you to dispel that water faster.

When you get an Ileostomy, the ileocecal valve is removed.
That valve is part of the colon. The valve serves two purposes:
1. It keeps waste and bacteria from flowing from the colon, back
into the ileum, and 2. It provides another way for your body to
hold back passage of waste from the Ileum into the colon.

Without that valve, the waste goes through at whatever speed
it desires. An Ileostomate (like me) will go through periods
of rapid and very frequent discharge. It's often called
"the Dumping Syndrome".

So drinking a lot of fruit juice, is no different than drinking a lot
of anything; It will go through faster and look like what you remember
as a diarrhea condition. It very rarely is, and medically treating it
as such, is counterproductive. You don't fix a problem by adding
another problem to the mix.

For an Ileostomate, drinking one glass of High Pulp Orange Juice
will usually slow down and thicken the output very rapidly.

With an intake of 4 oz of liquid per hour, you should be able to
remain hydrated, provided you are not already dehydrated.

And attempting to check for proper hydration using methods
geared for those with a complete digestive tract, is useless.

By the time an Ileostomate sees a darker urine, or notices
the skin remaining peaked when pinched, it is already too late;
dehydration has already set in, and it is then -very- difficult
to become rehydrated using only ingested liquids. An IV is
usually the best way for an Ileostomate to become rehydrated
if the condition has gone that far.

So the bottom line (in my opinion)?

It sounds like your taking in more liquid than your body can
deal with at any one time, so it's purging it. If you continue,
your body will go into a dumping syndrome, and can take
a week or more to resolve itself. (been there; done that)

Those that have not dealt with an Ileostomy, really do not
understand the nature of one. Using methods designed for
any individual that does not have an Ileostomy is not a
very good idea.

I hope I 'splained it ok?

Best of health!!

John