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Why is it that Christians believe these forwarded emails that have been circulating for years but they refuse to believe in global warming even when you can go to Google Earth and see where the ice caps are almost gone?

I have plenty of Christians in my family but I really don't want a fight. I have a relative who just forwarded an email that the info has been around since 1985 and it's false. I thought you guys could give me an answer without getting in each other's face. Also I realize that all Christians can't be lumped together. It seems to happen more with the far right.

I'm puzzled.

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Beats the heck out of me. I've wondered that myself. I'd consider myself a strong Christian - born and raised Southern Baptist - but, I don't think Global Warming's a farce. Seems pretty obvious to me. Boy, my mother-in-law lets me know all about it, though. A lot of my friends and family believe Global Warming's non-existant, the Earth/Universe was made in 7 24 hour days, Darwin was a moron headed straight for hell, etc etc etc. They believe if a non-Christian told them something "questionable" well it's probably unBiblical. I don't know why some folks are so hard headed and closed minded like that. Pretty silly, really. A lot of far right and even middle of the road Christians believe "Well it happened because God said so." Well, yeah, basically... but then they are afraid to wonder *how* He did things. Like maybe they'll be blaspheming or something if they wonder about something that's not written as a literal sentence in the Bible. Silly. There are a lot of scientific explanations left out of the Bible. Probably because they're not important in the grand scheme of things anyway(Christianity-wise) and a lot of people wouldn't understand them anyway.
....The Bible also doesn't say I had eggs for breakfast, but that doesn't mean I didn't have eggs for breakfast....

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uuuuuuh, yeah I rambled slightly, but guess you get my drift

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Yes, thanks.

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You admit then to having eggs. Which came first, the chicken or global warming?

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They just announced that the chicken came first, because the chicken produces the protein that is required for the egg.

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I think that between the two of you, Marcia, you and Emily have answered your question. I don't believe that such thinking (or non-thinking, as the case may be) is a christian trait but a conservative one.

By its definition (the one I am familiar with) conservativism implies aversion to change, adherence to the status quo. Therefore, conservatives tend to resist information that runs counter to their view of the world, the cosmos.

It is certainly not just christians. And it is certainly not all christians. Consider funamentalist muslims (arch-conservative muslims) who want to undo basically 1,000 years of progress. They are little different than the Texas Board of Education fellow who believes that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, in my humble opinion.

Take care,

Joe

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Now that I have accidentally invented it, I want to be a 'funamentalist'.

Take care,

Joe

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Yes, I know you can't lump all groups together by one statement. I can see that just in the people we know.

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Hi Marcia,

I hope you are not basing your opinions about Christians on the e-mail spam you are getting in your inbox! Ouch! Please... say it ain't so! You are right in realizing that Christians can't be lumped together any more than Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, or Atheists can. Generalizations are seldom fair when judging others.

So I offer this as "a Christian Response" as opposed to "The Christian response". Our collective views, and resultant lifestyles, are probably about as diverse as any other group.

The PEW Forum has some information on the views on Global Warming by American religious groups. You'll find the results of a recent survey here...
Global Warming

In terms of "belief" about global warming "Evangelical Christians" indicate the lowest level of belief in "global warming due to human activity" (34% vs 47% National Average). Even so, only 31% of Evangelicals believe there is "No Global Warming" compared to 21% of the National Total. They are just not as certain as to cause as other groups. Mainline Christians are more or less in line with the general population (as usual!)

I expect there would be a significant age differential amongst Evangelicals with those under 40 being much more concerned about environmental issues in general and climate change in particular.

Here is the website for the Evangelical Climate Initiative.
Christians and Climate
This is a significant evangelical initiative and clearly calls Christians to move beyond belief and to join with others in taking action on climate change.

"Now is the time for followers of Christ to help solve the global warming crisis. There is overwhelming evidence that human activity is a major cause, and we know that the impacts of climate change would be hardest on the poor and vulnerable, and on future generations. We need to act, and everyone has a role. Christian leaders can join more than 280 other senior evangelical leaders who have signed the Evangelical Call to Action on Climate Change. As Christian citizens we can learn more, make personal changes, and rally action. For policymakers, it’s time to make wise and moral choices to protect God’s world and its people. Join us. Take the next step."

Here is an example of a more "mainline Christian" response from my own church here in Canada, where climate change IS ALREADY A REALITY...
Climate Change
Our National leader was a delegate at the recent meetings in Copenhagen.

Perhaps the greater question here is...
"WHY, when there are so many who profess their BELIEF in climate change, are there so few, Christian or otherwise, who are actually DOING anything about it?"

Peace and Blessings... Rob; in Vancouver

"The time has come to lower our voices, to cease imposing our mechanistic patterns on the biological processes of the earth, to resist the impulse to control, to command, to force, to oppress, and to begin quite humbly to follow the guidance of the larger community on which all life depends." Thomas Berry

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Thanks Rob. I know all Christians aren't against it. I just have heard comments.

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Sheees, marcia....even Al Gore (self appointed guru of all things climate), has stopped referring to Global Warming every time the sun comes out....now they call it Climate change....perhaps you should spend more time reading and a little less time looking at pictures and bashing Christians.
The Bible doesn't refer to Climate Change in any way that would be pertinent to today's weather forecasts, it also doesn't mention Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or any of the other topics that non-Christians like to use to belittle Christian beliefs. Those are all man-made tools of merchandising in attempt to entice people to spend their money. So is Climate Change, and so is Global Warming....get a clue.

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I have a clue, Dennis. And I don't bash Christians. I can criticize or question as that is how we learn.

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Hey there my friend Marcia, I am simply chiming in to say as a Christian I did not feel bashed so no offense there for me anyways. I thought we covered the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa thing in Hondo's blog. I just encouraged my grandson in regards to the tooth fairy as he lost his first tooth and thankfully my good Lord did not strike me dead (just kidding of course). I too hate those e-mails that say if I send them God will bless me, I delete them if he plans to bless me it will not be due to an e-mail. In my opinion some people are just afraid (superstitious) to not send them forward. I totally agree with you Marcia if we do not ask the questions we shall never grow or learn so by all means ask away that's what this forum is for. By the way I have never told you but I love your upside down photo, it is charming much like you!

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Not to split hairs...but I will. It was I who had the Easter Bunny/Santa/Tooth Fairy post. You better watch out young lady or there will be no chocolate or marshmallow Peeps for you!
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-phil

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Oh Pardon Me Mr. Phil......Marcia and all who read this let it be known Phillieg was totally responsible and not Hondo for the Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy post.....whew glad that's over.

:-D

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OK, you're off the naughty list and back on the nice list!

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Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, I lurk here often but rarely write. I am a Christian with a strong faith. I belong to a church that is associated with a denomination that some consider progressive. I consider it one where we are trying to live Jesus message of love and inclusion. Our church sponsored a lecture called "Thank God for Evolution" given by Michael Dowd, the author of a book by the same name It was very well attended and well received. Those who deny climate change are also often the same people who deny evolution. I would agree that they deny and often fear change of any kind. They are entitled to their beliefs, but they are a faction of the Christian faith not the whole. We even have a sustainable culture committee in our church. They often bring us ideas for ways to live better with our environment and God's world. Hey, I just bought a hybrid. It may not save the world, but it does get very good gas mileage. Fay

P.S. I have received many emails that say I will receive good luck if I send them on to others within a certain time. I don't believe those either. Also, Michael Dowd was recently diagnosed and treated for cancer. He is currently without evidence of disease.

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I didn't mean to imply that ALL Christians are this way. I get forwarded emails from a relative which has been to lots of other inboxes first. This relative is very intelligent and I've pointed out before how most of these forwarded things aren't true. I still get them. I just got one the day before I posted this thread and was just discouraged. I might have worded my post wrong but did not mean to group everyone together.

I have a sister who belongs to a progressive church so I shouldn't have used the blanket term Christian. I was thinking of the other relative.

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Marcia, I know you didn't mean all Christians. I just think the more fundamentalist groups get so much press, that those of us who are in more progressive denominations need to speak up now and then. Speaking of denominations, I need to get dressed for church. I'm the liturgist (reader) this morning.Fay

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If I got a burning bush instead of an email, I'd take THAT seriously. I dislike those emails or anything resembling them. I delete them right away.
Fay, it does sound like you belong to a nice progressive church. I read about one church, I can't remember it's name, but they look at Earth as God's gift to us and we are it's keepers and therefore responsible for it's well-being. It was a very good article. It's alway refreshing to see groups take the earth seriously and not treat it like it's ours to abuse.
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Great post Marcia. Even tough you gave your disclaimer "Also I realize that all Christians can't be lumped together. It seems to happen more with the far right." I noticed you had to repeat it a few times.

I don't get the debate or why it's a considered a "belief". Is gravity a belief? If someone locked you into a phone booth (remember those?) and blew smoke and exhaust fumes into there do you think it would be good for you? Same with dumping in the oceans. How much crap can it stand? If anyone thinks that there is no effect on either the climate, the air, or the oceans from how people abuse the planet then they are very out of touch with reality.

I think Joe was correct when he said that it is more of a "conservative one". I saw that when 2-3 weeks ago the BIG snowstorm hit DC and FOX News (I use the word "news" very loosely here) had commentator after commentator showing photos of the snow followed by some comment like "oh, so there's global warming? Well how come it's snowing out then?". I was watching the left-wing commie/socialist homosexual Daily Show and they put together a great montage of clips. Stewart then went on to talk about how it's getting dark out and therefore the sun is dying and there will never be light again!!!!! It was a perfect example of how knee-jerk the conservative viewpoint often is. Also, how they refuse to budge from their stance on things. Don't let FACTS get in the way.

A very frightening clip was on the other night showing the Texas School Board and how a group of 15 people dictate what is going to be in the textbooks that 80+% of ALL American children have in school. Yes, 15 Texans decide it. I work for a major textbook publisher and we cow-tow to Texas, it's very sad but they are a big market and the almighty dollar rules.

I know I strayed from your original question Marcia but there is a mentality out there that in my opinion, ties these topics together.
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I agree with you Phil. To deny climate change today is a little like denying gravity. The empirical evidence and science is solid. But it is done widely and for a variety of reasons, mostly economic and political.

First deny that there is any climate change... then deny that it is caused by human activity..., then deny that there is anything we can do about it! A network like FOX has the effect of amplifying the "climate change denial" message and contributing to the propaganda. There has been a lot of money thrown at this strategy over the past few decades. Regretably it has been effective in undermining public support for proactive public policy to address the issues.

It is ironic that the same corporations and governments that will officially deny climate change (or refuse to take action in response to it) will at the same time position themselves to exploit the new bonanza of resource extraction that is anticipated in the arctic as the northern ice cap melts.

Not to let ourselves off the hook... we play into a level of "climate change denial" as long as we maintain lifestyles that assume a perpetual supply of cheap oil and gas. With our levels of consumption it is hard not to feel somewhat complicit in the whole problem. We continue to leave a large carbon footprint! Mea culpa!!

I'm rambling, so will be quiet now... Great thread Marcia...

TTFN...Rob; in Vancouver

"We are upsetting the atmosphere upon which all life depends. In the late 80s when I began to take climate change seriously, we referred to global warming as a "slowmotion catastrophe" one we expected to kick in perhaps generations later. Instead, the signs of change have accelerated alarmingly." David Suzuki

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well the far left, very far left believe that global warming is not real either, that is it something created by the government to divert our attention away from what is real. Ummm .....what is real as you put it Marcia is that our ice-caps are melting!!

Some of these people I am talking about on the far, far left are well educated people with degrees and not one I know is a Christian.

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The conspiracy people. We took down the World Trade Center and that sort of stuff. I just read that there was an island in the Indian Ocean that India and Bangladesh(?) were fighting over for years. It was rather small, maybe 1.5 sq miles. Well, due to the oceans rising the island disappeared.
That settles that!

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and think the government has targeted them.

Apparently the island you are referring to only appeared when there was a low tide and was uninhabited. Global warming resolves a dispute. However some other nearby islands have also been submerged displacing the people living there as early as 1996.

Then there is Tuvalu ... slowly disappearing .... Wow!

Great, here in America we have the luxury of pretending nothing is happening or the government is out to get us.

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isn't it moronic, I mean ironic?
I'm surprised there are so many cases of colon cancer in the US. We sometimes have our heads so far up our _ _ _ _ _ that you'd think we'd spot the polyps early!
;-)

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Well...there does appear to be some evidence that the Earth is entering another mini Ice Age beginning several years ago, temperature recordings in the middle of growing urban centers not withstanding.
If the cooling trend does indeed continue, than the global warming issues re: whether it is indeed man caused will either be proven, if the temps continue to rise, and the Glaciers continue to melt, and the oceans continue to rise, or will be somewhat disproven when they don't.
Still, I am a believer in using sound technology to lessen our dependence upon fossil fuels, I do however wish those who are proponents of Solar, Nuclear, and Wind energy solutions would get their acts together and stop fighting amongst themselves by using pure fiction as fact and "their sky is falling" fear tactics to prove their points. If Global warming is as important and solveable through Green Energy techniques as we are led to believe, than it stands to reason that we shouldn't be blocking the construction of such facilities in the most ideal and effective locations on the continent. ie: Wyoming for the Wind generation (Prarie Chickens are scared of them), and the Mojave in California for Solar (Desert tortises might have to walk around them), and Nuclear Energy Plants wherever they are proposed (Who knows why?). There also seems to be a complete disinterest in improving any forms of public transportation that would enable people to commute to their ever dwindling job opportunities without driving. It also occurs to me that while driving does contribute to CO2 emissions, at least those emissions have some chance to be absorbed by plants which require them in order to survive, as opposed to Airplanes which deposit their considerable emissions right up there next to the ozone layer with no chance whatsoever of them doing anything but adding to the problem. I calculated that Nancy Polosi puts more pollution into the atmosphere in one trip hauling her "pretty little head" to California than I will contribute in my entire lifetime driving my truck...and that's without taking any carbon credits at all for growing my own garden.

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I don't think anyone can successfully argue that pollution is good for the planet or for us.

I think the main barrier to alternative energy sources are the big energy companies that use fossil fuels. They do not want us to get electricity from the sun or the wind. They can't control those and therefore they can't make us pay for something that is basically supplied for free. Of course it has to be converted from sun/wind power into electricity we can use but that's not something they can make billions off of. I think the reason nuclear is being opposed is obvious (to me at least) the stuff is dangerous and the effects of a disaster are, well, disastrous. The land is unusable for tens of thousands of years not to mention all of the cancers it would cause in people. I don't think it's a smart idea to put more money into that. Also, they still don't know what to do with the waste from the ones we have already. There is that NIMBY factor too Dennis, I agree. No one want wind turbines or solar farms in there back yard.

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Well...there does appear to be some evidence that the Earth is entering another mini Ice Age beginning several years ago, temperature recordings in the middle of growing urban centers not withstanding.
If the cooling trend does indeed continue, than the global warming issues re: whether it is indeed man caused will either be proven, if the temps continue to rise, and the Glaciers continue to melt, and the oceans continue to rise, or will be somewhat disproven when they don't.
Still, I am a believer in using sound technology to lessen our dependence upon fossil fuels, I do however wish those who are proponents of Solar, Nuclear, and Wind energy solutions would get their acts together and stop fighting amongst themselves by using pure fiction as fact and "their sky is falling" fear tactics to prove their points. If Global warming is as important and solveable through Green Energy techniques as we are led to believe, than it stands to reason that we shouldn't be blocking the construction of such facilities in the most ideal and effective locations on the continent. ie: Wyoming for the Wind generation (Prarie Chickens are scared of them), and the Mojave in California for Solar (Desert tortises might have to walk around them), and Nuclear Energy Plants wherever they are proposed (Who knows why?). There also seems to be a complete disinterest in improving any forms of public transportation that would enable people to commute to their ever dwindling job opportunities without driving. It also occurs to me that while driving does contribute to CO2 emissions, at least those emissions have some chance to be absorbed by plants which require them in order to survive, as opposed to Airplanes which deposit their considerable emissions right up there next to the ozone layer with no chance whatsoever of them doing anything but adding to the problem. I calculated that Nancy Polosi puts more pollution into the atmosphere in one trip hauling her "pretty little head" to California than I will contribute in my entire lifetime driving my truck...and that's without taking any carbon credits at all for growing my own garden.

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I don’t know about Global warming but I do believe that God is telling us that there is trouble ahead for this World. Like many we have the choice to keep our eyes closed and believe everything will be just fine, put your faith and trust in the Government, me I choose to put my Faith in God.

However it happens or starts I don’t know nor can I predict, all I can do is to believe what God word tells me. I read some of the Old Testament prophecies from Jeremiah 4: he says I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void. Another one is God is going to Rv:11 destroy them which destroy the earth. God said he is going to recreate the Earth once again this time there will be no more Sin. I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And this new heaven will be without sorcerers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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I think it's the planet's way of telling us that something is wrong. Many times throughout the billions of years of the existence of the earth, life has been destroyed over and over again by natural phenomena. It's going to happen again, that's just how nature works. Dinosaurs were wiped out which gave way for mammals to start their rise to prominence and the cycle will continue again and again with other forms of life being the "top dog" so to speak until our star, the sun, eventually burns itself out. That is unless we speed things up and destroy our rein of "ruling" the earth ahead of schedule.
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All it takes is for one mad man to push one button; it is incredible that we have the power to destroy the earth all with one touch; who is to say if it will not start something like that, it will be a Global warming then for sure.

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just wonder why you have to label the people that seem to have circualted these emails as "christians"? I'm quite sure all kinds of people get them! Why not just say people? You could make that argument about ANY group of people, religion, belief system, et. It just kinda of annoys me that you pick on people that happen to have faith in Christ. Don't want to start anything. I'm just sayin'....

One of those "Christian" People:)

Sally

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Because it was sent to me by a christian. I know a lot of christians. But you are right I shouldn't group them all together.

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qualified that statement in her first post.

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I know a lot of non Christians who believe in Global warming...

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