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dapiek
dapiek Member Posts: 6
edited March 2014 in Breast Cancer #1
It has been awile since I have been here. What I have to say has been weighing heavily on my heart for several weeks. This is definately not making excuses for husbands leaving their wives in their time of need. It was said to me that women marry men thinking they will change and men marry women thinking they won't change. When a woman gets cancer she definately changes who she is. This cannot be helped, that is who they become, a survivor. My wife is now into groups of survivors and fighting cancers of all kinds at fund raisers. Her friends have basically become different because her old friends don't understand what it is like to have their womanhood taken from them and come close with death. So with her old friends gone so are my friends who were their husbands. I had to be nice and make new friends with her new friend's husbands. My wife who had a double mastectomy and her ovaries, uterus, and cervix removed is very aware of her appearance eventhough I am still attracted her and wants to continue to love and cherish her. Some women my wife talked to have shunned their husbands to the point all they get is a peck on the check when leaving or greeting because they will not allow themselves to be romantic or treated in a loving manor some of this is due to their self body image. They are afraid to have sex or it is painful, nor do they ever desire it due to the anti-estrogen pills or the removal of the ovaries. It is difficult for a man use to having sex with his wife and bamm she doesn't want it ever, leaving him with a need and a desire. Yes sex is part of a psychological need. A man needs to feel wanted not tolerated. The feeling of being manly (or ego) suffers greatly when he cannot turn on his own wife. Not because he is bad at it but because she doesn't even want him to try and rebuffs him not just sexually but lovingly like cuddling at bedtime. Then he questions his manhood. He sees his wife having a crush for the doctor who saved her when her husband could do nothing but really watch on the side lines. She avoids passionate kisses and long hugs to avoid possibly of giving the wrong impression to her husband that they might have sex later on. A man can only take so much rejection before he quits trying and becomes just a roommate. This is when if there is a possibility that another woman can give him what he needs acceptance, attention, affirmation of his being a man, and even love that the affairs start. Sometimes I think men will use cancer as an excuse to get out of an already troubled marriage. Maybe he can't handle the thought of losing his soul mate, so he leaves on his terms to make the loss easier to deal with. Women change big time when they get cancer and the husband just wants his wife back which may never happen so he ends up leaving. I just want my wife back.
Yes I am still with my wife of 9 years and 2years as a survivor. We have hade more surgeries and complications for the reconstruction than the actual cancer plus cysts on ovaries and uterus. Basically 12 surgeris plus the numerous doctor's visits and finding someone to watch the kids, well you know. I just needed to vent. Thanks.

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  • inkblot
    inkblot Member Posts: 698 Member
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    You certainly had a lot to say and apparently have feelings and thoughts which you haven't expressed. Neither here nor to your wife.

    Your wife has been through a lot. No question about that. Clearly you felt helpless through some of it and that's perfectly normal I think. Loved ones and caregivers often feel that way because their role is supportive, when what they'd like to do is "something more" or to be able to "make it all go away" for their loved one. That's one tough spot to have to navigate.

    Regarding the theory of husbands leaving wives during cancer because they can't bear to "lose their soulmate" and leave on their own terms, etc., that just doesn't hold water for my thinking. It appears to me to be something more akin to selfishness and would also appear, as you noted, that maybe there were problems in the relationship prior to cancer being diagnosed.
    If the latter is the case, then cancer or any other major crisis would naturally amplify
    those problems I believe. Still, any guy,
    or gal for that matter, who would abandon ship at such a critical time is difficult to respect in my opinion. I mean, what could someone who does such a thing be thinking??? Sort of like: "Guess I'll mosey on now, since you've got cancer and all and go find myself or better yet, go find someone who doesn't have cancer!" Many say that the "runner" is just afraid. I tend to agree. It would appear that he/she is definitely afraid for themselves and what hardship they may be called upon to endure and the fear is obviously stronger than the love in such cases. I'm no expert. Just opinionated.

    Sexual issues can and do loom large for cancer survivors and their spouses. The only advice I could offer in addressing this would be to talk
    to your wife. Openly and honestly and often. Let her share how she's feeling. Reassure her of your continued love and support. Help her to understand how important she is to you and that although her breasts are gone, she's still an amazing, beautiful and dynamic woman without them.
    A woman you love and with whom you want to share your life. A counselor could be very helpful to both of you and help each of you in identifying and sharing your thoughts and feelings and to begin working through them.

    I had lumpectomy but have several very good friends who had mastectomy and it takes time, effort and loving spouse/mate support, to become comfortable with the scars, the changed body image, to get the fears under control and begin to feel whole again. Inside is equally as important as the outside. The issues are broad and women are not only dealing with a changed body image, but also the dreadful emotional hurdles, which can take years to overcome. Perspective and healing will come but not without conscious effort, support, time and patience. Often, our first step
    is in realizing that we do have the power to help ourselves to heal from our wounds. No one can do this for us but we can greatly benefit from the love and support of those closest to us and it can make our journey toward healing easier.

    Seek counseling and I'm betting that your wife will agree that it's a good move. She, like yourself, is likely missing the closeness , the sharing, the giving and taking which combine to make our intimate relationships so special, unique and such an important part of who we are together.

    It's tough enough to go through cancer and treatment. Something I believe is even tougher though, is to give the rest of ones life over to the emotional blitz, getting into the rut of making everything around ones self of, about and relating to cancer. It's a big hole to dig out of but dig we must if we're ever going to have peace and fulfillment in our lives again. Cancer is one of life's big punches, but scars and all, we must rise from the pain of the attempted knock out and get back up and start swinging. You can help your wife to do this. Just be there, in her corner, when she needs a hug, a smile or just someone to listen. You aren't expected to understand every feeling she has but just being there, caring and listening will make such a difference.

    Some men have the ability to hold a woman and listen and be concerned, while comforting, without things heading toward the bedroom...other's may need to work on that ability. Keep in mind that your wife may not be comfortable talking with you if she feels she'll be pushed in a direction she's nowhere near ready for yet. In other words, maybe you'll have to put your sexual needs, thoughts, feelings and ideas about sex on hold for a while yet and make sure she knows you're doing that. But for the sake of your wife's recovery, the sake of your relationship and your ability to maintain fidelity, you CAN do it. No one would expect a good sexual relationship when everything else in a relationship is out of kilter.

    Hope that may be helpful. I don't know what else to offer. This board represents a group of amazing and diverse ladies and I'm sure you will benefit from their honest and caring thoughts/ideas.

    Love, light and laughter,
    Ink
  • lindatn
    lindatn Member Posts: 229
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    A dozen red roses, a lovely card with both yours and Inkblot letters inside might just open up the door that needs to be opened. You both need to talk, laugh and cry this problem out. My husband had prostate cancer right after I finished bc needless to say we found our sex life much lacking. With 40 plus years we had a lot to look back on and remember. We have discovered others way of loving, hugs kisses and touching goes a long way to keep a relationship alive and both parties happy. Also time to reconnect with old friends, life is not just about cancer, in fact we never joined any cancer group, don't plan to, we do the same things we did before cancer only with a bit more joy, life is precious. God Bless Linda
  • Idalia
    Idalia Member Posts: 76
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    Dear Dapiek, everyone reacts differently to life changing experiences. Your wife has really identified with being a cancer survivor and has chosen friends and activities that reflect that. Initially, I divided my life into Before Cancer and After Cancer and looked at people who hadn't experienced cancer as the 'uninformed'. Then, I realized how many people I knew who had experienced cancer, either their own or a loved one's. I never joined a support group or changed the people I hung out with I can relate to what you and your wife have been through. Every marriage is a series of relationships, the dating relationship, the living together relationship, the young parents relationship, etc. No one anticipates the patient/caregiver relationship, but most long term marriages will go through it. I hope your wife continues to heal and feel better. You will never regret acting honorably in your marriage and she will never forget that you did. Good luck.
  • Future
    Future Member Posts: 133 Member
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    I've been reading the postings. I'm blessed. This is my second marriage and God brought a man into my life who has been there for me. God may have given me challenges that I didn't ask for, but he also gave me someone to give me emmotional and physical support. We were married 10 years when I was diagnosed. We found that communication and honesty is key. He finds me desirable no matter what "architecture distortion" I may have, one breast, no breasts, partially reconstructed breasts, but he communicates that to me. He has gone through two mastectomies with me. Medication and fatigue has impacted my sex drive to a point where I don't have one, so I have to plan for sex, but didn't we do that when our kids were small? We were sensitive to what gave each other pleasure prior to BC and we're still that way. I read that "a man needs to feel wanted not tolerated" - my challenge to husbands, have you made your wife feel desirable? To say "I just want my wife back" -- are you the exactly the same husband she married? Can't blame the wife for losing your male friends because your wife's circle of friends change. My husband is still friends with men even those I may have become distant with the wives. I don't think breast cancer destroys marriages -- if it's a strong marriage it will survive; if it's a weak marriage it probably won't but it also wouldn't have survived other financial and physical challenges.
  • karinlee
    karinlee Member Posts: 15
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    dapiek,

    it sounds like all your feelings and emotions are normal. my thought would be to share these feelings with your wife. just as her entire life has been turned upside down, so has yours. if you are both able to be mutually sensitive to eachother's needs, you can get get through this and have an even stronger love life and sex life than before. communication is the key.

    same thing with the fact that you have lost many friends. i understand why your wife needed to make new friends. . . because only cancer survivors can truly understand how cancer impacts your life. but it can also be important to maintain old friendships--especially the ones that have been very supportive of your situation. communicate with your wife. find a time when your stress levels are at their lowest and talk it out. don't react to eachother, just listen and absorb the thoughts of the other person. then, at a later date, regroup and discuss again.

    best of luck, karinlee
  • angelpie7me
    angelpie7me Member Posts: 11
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    karinlee said:

    dapiek,

    it sounds like all your feelings and emotions are normal. my thought would be to share these feelings with your wife. just as her entire life has been turned upside down, so has yours. if you are both able to be mutually sensitive to eachother's needs, you can get get through this and have an even stronger love life and sex life than before. communication is the key.

    same thing with the fact that you have lost many friends. i understand why your wife needed to make new friends. . . because only cancer survivors can truly understand how cancer impacts your life. but it can also be important to maintain old friendships--especially the ones that have been very supportive of your situation. communicate with your wife. find a time when your stress levels are at their lowest and talk it out. don't react to eachother, just listen and absorb the thoughts of the other person. then, at a later date, regroup and discuss again.

    best of luck, karinlee

    I have read these posts regarding husbands and wives who have dealt with the breast cancer and the many surgeries that follow. I must say that there are many issues that come up on a daily basis as far as a family is involved.

    I myself am going through it right now. My husband was disabled in 1998 at the age of 28, and in 2004 i was diagnosed with 3rd stage breast cancer. I have endured 5 surgeries so far, and even put one surgery off until a later date. Since we have 3 children, we are constantly begging for favors from family to watch the kids while we have procedures done. While it seems unbearable to lose friends that were once good friends, the lack of compassion that exists after a crisis hits, may show that the friendship wasn't as good as you first may have thought.
    Every relationship changes when a medical illness occurs. Either people pitch in and help when you need, or they don't. This includes family members, friends and even strangers. In my case, I had complete strangers helping us more than my own family at times.

    As far as the lack of romance, sex and whatnot, I believe that your issues are rather selfish to which you are entitled. However, perhaps your wife's own issues are making her react rather selfishly in not putting out. Such is the case in my own situation.

    To put it more bluntly, the issues and complaints that I have right now far outweigh anything sexual that my husband might be dealing with, and the way I look at it, is that this is his problem, not mine. Two results can happen, he can put up with it, or he can leave. Again, that's not my problem. My problem, as every one else who has to go through the process of having cancer and dealing with life on a day to day basis is fighting the disease to live another day.

    I also believe that your wife is at her wits end dealing with the many effects of breast cancer. Losing her hair, feeling the pain, looking at scars, not having a sexual desire, are just a part of that picture. She may just not have any fight left in her to make sure you are satisfied.

    Sometimes in life, love makes a change. Unconditional love is just what that is. Loving with no conditions or strings attached. It is through this kind of loving, that your wife may open up a little more.
  • modgling
    modgling Member Posts: 2
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    i have been reading this forum for a year and have not said anything. it has been i year since i heard what every woman is scared to hear . with the help of a wonderful dr and cancer center i am cancer free after a 7 cm tumor and surgery.. my husband made every dr appointment and chemo . we were married when i was 14 he was 19 i asked how he would feel about the surgery and he said you had none when we got married so what is the problem . he supported me every step of the way . i thank god for him everday he has been my rock. sex is great cause he loves me . to men who walk away when times get hard , would their wives walk away from them if the shoe was on the other foot ? remember men get breast cancer too . how sad their loss