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cleo
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This also may be of interest. I had heard of the supposed benfits of asparagus but had ot realised that pureed was the way to go. Sent to me via email.

----- An interesting article for you to ponder .... May or may not be true. I have read it before somewhere else (if you google asparagus it says something along these lines)Checked various sources and there is a lot to be said for this being a possiblity, but claims not substantiated. Asparagus -- Who knew ?
My Mom had been taking the full-stalk canned style Asparagus that she pureed and she took 4 tablespoons in The morning and 4 tablespoons later in the day. She did This for over a month. She is on chemo pills for Stage 3 lung cancer in the pleural area and her cancer cell Count went from 386 down to 125 as of this past week. Her oncologist said she does not need to see him for 3 Months.

THE ARTICLE:
Several years ago, I had a man seeking asparagus for a Friend who had cancer. He gave me a photocopied copy of an article, entitled, Asparagus for cancer 'printed in Cancer News Journal, December 1979. I will share it here, just as it was shared with me: I am a Biochemist, and have specialized in the relation of diet to health or over 50 years. Several years ago, I learned Of the discovery of Richard R. Vensal, D.D.S. That asparagus might cure cancer. Since then, I have worked with him on his project we have accumulated a number of favorable case histories. Here are a few examples:

Case No. 1, A man with an almost hopeless case of Hodgkin's disease (cancer of the lymph glands) who was completely incapacitated. Within 1 year of starting the asparagus therapy, his doctors were unable to detect any signs of cancer, and he was back on a schedule of strenuous exercise. Case No. 2, a successful businessman 68 years old who suffered from cancer of the bladder for 16 years. After years of medical treatments, including radiation without improvement, he went on asparagus. Within 3 months, examinations revealed that his bladder tumor had disappeared and that his kidneys were normal.

Case No. 3, a man who had lung cancer. On March 5th 1971, he was put on the operating table where they found lung cancer so widely spread that it was inoperable. The surgeon sewed him up and declared his case hopeless. On April 5th he heard about the Asparagus therapy and immediately started taking it. By August, x-ray pictures revealed that all signs of the cancer had disappeared.. He is back at his regular business routine.

Case No. 4, a woman who was troubled for a number of years with skin cancer. She finally developed different skin cancers which were diagnosed by the acting specialist as advanced. Within 3 months after starting on asparagus, her skin specialist said that her skin looked fine and no more skin lesions. This woman reported that the asparagus therapy also cured her kidney disease, which started in 1949. She had over 10 operations for kidney stones, and was receiving Government disability payments for an inoperable, terminal, kidney condition she attributes the cure of this kidney trouble entirely to the asparagus.

I was not surprised at this result, as `The elements of Materia medica', edited in1854 by a Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, stated that asparagus was used as a popular remedy for kidney stones. He even referred to experiments, in 1739, on the power of Asparagus in dissolving stones. Note the dates!
We would have other case histories but the medical establishment has interfered with our obtaining some of the records. I am therefore appealing to readers to spread this good news and help us to gather a large number of case histories that will overwhelm the medical skeptics about this unbelievably simple and natural remedy.

For the treatment, asparagus should be cooked before using, and therefore canned asparagus is just as good as fresh. I have corresponded with the two leading canners of asparagus, Giant and Stokely, and I am satisfied that these brands contain no pesticides or preservatives.
Place the cooked asparagus in a blender and liquefy to make a puree, and store in the refrigerator. Give the Patient 4 full tablespoons twice daily, morning and Evening. Patients usually show some improvement in 2-4 weeks. It can be diluted with water and used as a cold or hot drink. This suggested dosage is based on present experience, but certainly larger amounts can do no harm and may be needed in some cases. As a Biochemist I am convinced of the old saying that `what cures can prevent.' based on this theory, my wife and I have been using asparagus puree as a beverage with our meals. We take 2 tablespoons diluted in water to suit our taste with breakfast and with dinner. I take mine hot and my wife prefers hers cold. For years we have made it a practice to have blood surveys taken as part of our regular checkups. The last blood survey, taken by a medical doctor who specializes in the nutritional approach to health, showed substantial improvements in all categories over the last one, and we can attribute these improvements to nothing but the asparagus drink.
As a biochemist, I have made an extensive study of all aspects of cancer, and all of the proposed cures. As a result, I am convinced that asparagus fits in better with the latest theories about cancer.

Asparagus contains a good supply of protein called histones, which are believed to be active in controlling cell growth... For that reason, I believe asparagus can be said to contain a substance that I call cell growth normalizer That accounts for its action on cancer and in acting as a general body tonic. In any event, regardless of theory, asparagus used as we suggest, is a harmless substance. The FDA cannot prevent you from using it and it may do you much good. It has been reported by the US National Cancer Institute, that asparagus is the highest tested food containing
glutathione, which is considered one of the body's most potent ticarcinogens and antioxidants.

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jazzy1
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I've read this idea and many seen to think it's another hoax, per below info.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Jan

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Analysis: Exactly who Richard R. Vensal, D.D.S. is and what his qualifications as a cancer and nutrition expert are we do not know, for the simple reason that his name doesn't appear anywhere in print except in connection with this one online article.

The periodical in which it was allegedly published, the Cancer News Journal, no longer exists but apparently devoted itself to "alternative" cancer therapies. An article with the identical title ("Asparagus for Cancer") and similar if not identical content appeared under the byline "Karl Lutz" in the February 1974 edition of Prevention magazine.

In any case, contrary to the impression given above there are no peer-reviewed medical studies proving that eating asparagus alone "prevents" or "cures" cancer. That's not to say asparagus offers no cancer-fighting benefits whatsoever — there's a good chance it does, given that it contains vitamin D, folic acid, and the antioxidant glutathione, all thought to play some role in lowering risk factors for certain cancers. By all means, eat your asparagus!

The thing is, lots of other foods provide the same nutritional benefits and more besides, so emphasizing one particular vegetable over all the other health-promoting foods available is surely counter-productive. Generally speaking, medical experts recommend a diet high in fiber, fruits and vegetables and low in fats and nitrates for optimal resistance to cancer.

At the risk of stating the obvious, it should also be noted that dietary measures ought never to be regarded as a substitute for proper medical diagnosis and treatment of any disease, especially cancer.

california_artist
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It's just asparagus for Pete's sake. If someone wants to take two or three tablespoons a day and it makes them feel in control and hopeful, who cares. Hoax? No where does it suggest that one only try a little asparagus and your cancer will be gone. I think I am very tired of the very word hoax. Cause you know what I'm thinking is a hoax? A medical establishment that makes people believe that all they have to do it take this chemo or that radiation and then do nothing else to change any prior behaviors and they will never see their cancer again. Chemo works swell for liquid based cancers but UPSC is a real bugger to get rid of and most of the medical things that are done to the women who have it, don't do so well in the end if that is all they do. Recent studies suggest taxol increases the liklihood of future cancer.

So I say take your chemo etc, if it makes you feel good. Eat your asparagus, drink your tea, and for all things reasonable please take your turmeric with your taxol to try to up your chances of surviving.

Hoax is an ugly word. Look around you and see if you can discern the real hoax.

and have a wonderful year but please encourage rather than discourage one another to try anything that seems even mildly reasonable.

What will save you in the end is the belief that you will be saved and the willingness to reach ever higher to that end. but don't be complacent in the belief that your doc has ALL the answers. There is no one who has a higher stake in your health than you.

added

I forgot my point, which was that things work synergistically. just keep ondoing things and the whole becomes extremely greater than any of the parts or even all of the parts.

cleo
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The first sentence of that article says it all

"An interesting article for you to ponder .... May or may not be true"

It's the pondering that's important. Every 'body' is different and I believe in throwing everything into the mix as if it works for just one it's well worth it.

Personally I believe in eating every vege etc regardless!!!

I Will Survive
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Not a nice response to Jan, Claudia.

Reasonable is subjective, isn't it?

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daisy366
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I just noticed 2 posts are flagged - AGAIN. Too bad we can't just leave some things here for people to see and make their own decisions.

For those that have been here awhile, think back.....Claudia has been a common thread in many, if not most, of the controversies here. And what's wrong with Hannah's comment about "not being nice"? - it's the TRUTH!!!

Perhaps it's time to review or decide on some GROUP RULES. We are all here for SUPPORT and we all have a right to speak and be heard with respect for all. No one needs lectures and diatribes and bashing and badgering.

Mary Ann

evertheoptimist
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I think we should be careful not to make it difficult for people to voicing opposing views as long as they are not inflammatory or a personal attack on other members.

I don't see any problem with Jan's post saying that the asparagus claim may be hoax. As she mentioned, there is essentially no halfway verifiable, not even remote, basis for that claim, and all the sources and everything else are suspicious. It does not matter whether it's so harmless: after all who is going to say something bad happened because one ate a lot of asparagus.

Nevertheless, when unsubstantiated claims with bogus credentials and untraceable origins are made, we need to on the alert. This time, its asparagus, but next time, what? I have seen a claim on lemon. The list goes on. On a more ominous scale, there are outrageous marketing claims from pharma companies with questionable statistical data (this I know: I have a Ph.D. level train in research science and statistics). Where would you draw the line?

We are all dealing with a disease that is difficult to treat, and we all desperately need REAL SCIENCE. I am all for harmless alternative treatment and methods 100% as A SUPPLEMENTARY or COMPLEMENTARY method. Same thing with the so called "attitude" angle. Hope, yes. Positive thinking. yes. Spirituality, yes. They ALL help. Yet, until penicillin was discovered, no amount of praying, spiritual convocation and what not rid the world of Tuberculosis, which used to be the #1 cause of death.

In the end, it was the hard science that saved millions of people. Not positive thinking and all other stuff, which people had in abundance of throughout the ages. The worst enemy of hard science and its advancement is the blurring boundary of crazy unsubstantiated claims and objective science. Science simply cannot flurish in the same environment where unsubstantiated claims are equally accepted and tolerated.

When start to squelch people for objecting to unscientific views because of "what's harm in it" or because of "it kills hopes" kind of censorship, we all lose, not gain.

I have been whacked on one site because I objected to the convoluted marketing claims of some miracle drugs by a pharma company: I was called "hope killer". On another site, someone essentially told me to shut up because I challenged the claims of somebody - this is someone who was considered a resident "guru" on that site.

Well, I don't voice my opinions on those site anymore much when I disagree with some crazy statements - I developed an attitude of "why bother. if people want to believe in crazy claims, that's their problem". I am dealing with life and death medical issue, I don't need all that vitriol and aggravation for actually trying to "HELP" some other women deal with crazy, unsubstantiated claims, and discern what's objective and verifiable from what's hoax and wildly unsubstantiated.

I think I have a lot to add to a lot of discussions. So, when people like me start to withdraw from healthy discussion, who is losing?

Any attempt to squelch people's objective and well stated opinions because it somehow removes hope or whatever from other people, we lower the quality of the discussion and actually robs the opportunity to learn from each other.

Jan, I hope you continue to post your objective opinions, even if, yes, it kills some people's hope. We are bettered saved by advancement of hard science.

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