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Nana b
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http://www.naturalroute.com/content/cancer/fruitseeds_cancer.html

An Apple a day- and be sure and eat the seeds.

Most of us have heard the term "an apple a day will keep the doctor away". There is an amount of truth to this old saying. If you also eat the seeds from some fruits you may achieve some protection from cancer. I usually eat the seeds from the apples that I eat because they contain cyanogen. A cyanogen generates cyanide. Cyanide is lethal in large quantities, but tiny amounts are normal to normal cells- but in some scientific studies is has been shown to kill cancer cells.

Scientific studies have shown that over 30 native herbs found from around the world with cyanogens in them are noted for having anti-cancer properties.

The cell's of our body has the enzyme rhodanese that will detoxify cyanides that form naturally in a cell. A tiny level of the enzyme rhodanese is normal in our bodies. It seems that cancer cells lack this enzyme, so if you eat a small quantity of bitter almonds or apple seeds, or apricot seeds or other fruit seeds with cyanogens, the cancer cells may be affected when they come in contact with this enzyme, rhodanese. Your normal cells are are fine because they are protected by the enzyme rhodanese.

I would not trust in apple seeds or the seeds from any fruit alone to cure me from cancer, but I do believe that there are many things that protect our bodies in the early stages of many diseases. So I'm going to continue to eat my apple seeds. I would love to find a bitter almond tree to add to my orchard.  I keep a container of almonds by me to snack on all day.  They are not the bitter almonds, but it's a much better snack than chips or junk food.

There is much controversy over the substance Laetrile also know as Vitamin B 17 being found in apricot seeds and having the ability to cure cancer. I prefer to believe that it does have this ability, but it has been outlawed to be sold. Too bad that people don't have the ability to make their own choices in regards to their cancer treatment.

As I consider my eating fruit seeds I think about the fact that I want to stop cancer growth at it's beginning stages and not let it get a foothold in my body. I think that this may be one way of stopping cancer at it's early stages. There are also antioxidants that are useful in having good health and amino acids that build up the immune system. You can learn more about these substances by following the links.

More can be found on laetrile and vitamin B 17

 

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Buckwirth
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Refrencing to someone most of us knew, and who had a much greater depth of knowledge on this subject than I do.

The Late John Nimmons (snommintj) on Apricot Seeds

"...Amygdalin is a glucoside that when mixed with your stomach contents converts directly to hydrogen cyanide. An average fatal dose of hydrogen cyanide is less than 50 mg. If you throw in a little vitamin c then the fatal dose drops by 15-20%. That means an average 4 oz bag of apricot seeds could kill 3 adults if consumed in one sitting. That could be as little as 30 seeds. Throw into the mix the varying levels within seeds and that could go up or down...."

Miss you John, and thanks again for all you brought to this board.

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dear raquel and blake and all,

I hesitated about sharing my recent experience for a few days, but i figured to live a little. this is shared with purpose I and may i suggest each of us, think and research carefully what treatments are best for us individually. I trust my instincts, I trust my trusted advisers. I do and did and will continue to do so.

so a few weeks back just before my retreat i had lunch with a passionate alternative girl,
with minimum conventional treatment for advanced breast cancer and having very good results so far with iv vitamin c and she also uses laetrile over the last year, as well as meditation , diet that I am aware of.

we discussed life and the universe over our steamed vegetables and green tea. then i got
the personal push from her that i had to try laetrile. well of course i had had this suggested to me at the very beginning of my own healing journey. i mentioned this to my onc and she almost fell off her chair and told me its poison. her words not mine. I certainly did not consider it until recently.

roll forward after the lunch, I thought to myself lets fly this up the flag pole and see where it ends. well as chance had it I was seeing my main naturopath the next day, tracey said give laetrile a definite miss, that I am on enough supplements, which we are reducing slowly. I also had a phone consult about live blood analysis with naturopath number 2 theresa who has had bowel cancer herself. she also said to give laetrile a miss. Between them these naturopath deal with lots of cancer patients, theresa lots of bowel cancer. so I simply accepted there independent advice and view my friends strong recommendations as well intended but not for me.

I felt uncomfortable being told what I should be doing. I hope I come across here and elsewhere as suggesting therapies and encouraging research. So I think is right for me, this is why and leave it up to the individual to make their own minds up based on their on health and circumstances. I kind of chuckled to myself as mind friend was giving me the heart felt sales push on her favoured alternative. It reminded me of an amway presentation I went to many many years ago. I did follow that pressure sell either. maybe I owe amway and the timeshare sellers and all the indian telephone salesmen that call me a huge debt. I have a healthy immune system when it comes to pressure selling.

I must have practiced my dipolmatic response "ITS NOT FOR ME, BUT THANKS FOR CARING AND SHARING". I do enjoy saying empathetically "SORRY" as I slam the phone down on all unsolicited telephone salesmen.

I am acutely aware of the human trait to seek others to adopt our treatment strategies. As if to lend credibility to what we ourselves are trying to do to save our lives, or extend them. I am not saying this is such a terrible trait, as humans we have far worse. but I suggest the protocol of simply sharing what we believe is best for ourselves and our treatments works well enough here and in the rest of our lives.

hugs,
Pete

PS Blake thanks for referencing the earlier thread, a fascinating read from the past. A most educational and enlightening thread if ever their was, with wit, science and a little disagreement. A great debate if ever their was one here, one of our better discussions. I also checked out pubmed, the study below seemed pretty comprehensive and was pretty negative. I just wanted to show that my perspective is a mix of advice, science research and of course debate here. Some could call it a mass debate, and thats ok.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17106659

John23
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Pete -

(This is an open letter to all, Pete.... Please do not think I am
singling you out!)

You're absolutely right of course! Not every "treatment" meets
every requirement, and not all treatments work for all people.

I never experimented with the many hundreds of "alternatives"
to conventional western medicine, but then..... I have had absolutely
nothing but fantastic results using basic Traditional Chinese Medicine.

I have personally either used or met those that have used TCM for
ridding rheumatoid arthritis, dissolving kidney stones, dissolving blood
clots, curing diabetes (1 and 2), halting Alzheimer, curing anger/depression
and anxiety attacks, atrial fibrillation.... Egads, the list is near endless!

When you help the body do what it should be doing, things can manage
to "fix themselves". My spots in the lungs and liver are gone, and I'm
still alive (so far) since my diagnosis in 2006 without taking one drop
of the carcinogenic chemicals used for "chemo", or any dreaded radiation.

Sure, they attributed it to "luck".... But if I took the standard 5fu, oxy, etc
as they directed and insisted, "they" would be attributing my extended
life to that! People should try to understand the hypocrisy involved.

If one can get past the hype and hyperbole; the rhetoric of the cancer industry,
they might see that the dollar signs are bigger than the actual truth of what
"western medicine" can and cannot do.

We all must do what our instincts and intuition tell us; that is the basic
survival instinct that keeps all living things alive! But when we fear
"not doing', we succumb to the perils of the times; we do what "they"
tell us is best, not what -our own- basic instincts tell us is best for -us-.

For many of us (too, too many of us), the treatments that are suggested can
weaken us so much, that our bodies end up relying on the treatments alone;
our body is made too weak to survive on it's own. Stopping the "chemo" can
mean the more rapid advancement of cancer cells that can no longer be
slowed or stopped by our own body. That debacle is an admitted failure
of present technology!

TCM has been around for nearly four thousand years and has been used
by billions upon billions of people (and for animals). It has served more
individuals than "western medicine", and has done so without all the harms
of chemically manufactured "treatments".

Yet..... it's overlooked and treated like some sort of voodoo snake-oil
scam that is perpetrated by money-hungry scam artists looking to get rich on the
backs of those suffering.

In reality, it's the pharmaceutical industry that is perpetrating the scam,
not those that promote the use of TCM or many alternative. The marketing
of inexpensive herbs and treatments only produces "pennies to the billions"
made by the cancer industry.

If you really want to know why there's no "cure", just follow the money trail.

As far as some of the "alternatives"?

Cyanide kills cells. Period. It's not limited to cancer cells; it kills cells.

And it kills cells by damaging them beyond repair. If you are prone to cancer;
if your body is allowing a badly damaged cell to continue living inside you
using the fermentation process (cancer), then cyanide is as much of a carcinogenic
as all other carcinogens are -to you-.

People seem to get taken into the hype from the scammers, believing that
what kills something in a test-tube will do the same when ingested. It isn't so,
and pouring money into the false claims and scams only perpetuates the overall
mistrust in alternatives that actually do have merit.

I say it too often, perhaps..... But no-one should allow fear to drive them
into any direction.

The fear of "doing something" can be rationalized and proven for a reason
to fear doing that thing.

But the fear of "not doing" is strictly a psychological one, and it is what
is used by the cancer industry to continue promoting treatments that do
not work as claimed.

That fear of "not doing" is so intense, that even here on this web site you
will read about someone's oncologist suggesting a "wait and see" approach,
and other readers giving opinions against going that route. They will insist
that the oncologist is wrong, and chemo treatments should be demanded!

That's what the fear of "not doing" is...... It is the belief that some treatment
will be the only way to be saved, and it is to be demanded regardless of
costs, health-wise or otherwise, and at the total disregard of any professional
opinion that may take a bold stand against that procedure.

It is the fear of not doing.

There are other ways to fight cancer. Some work, and some do not.
Chemo can work for some, and not for others.

The big difference, is that many alternatives help the body and it's
immune system, while western medicine's toxic chemicals and radiation
do exactly the opposite.

Make the choice your choice, but please.... do not do it blindly, or
out of unfounded fear.

Best of health to all,

John

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i had a good thank you written a few days ago and my computer crashed.
i just wanted to share why i like my fear and choose to use it, harnessing its power.
of course this starts with awareness. my aware mind sees my fears as clearly as it can.
sometimes my friends and family point out what i am missing.

for myself i like my fear, its one the keys to my motivation.

i see my fears, when i am aware of my fears, i take actions that control them.

some of my fears initially were blind to some extent. as i think, research and grow
they change shape.

my fears have promoted action or paralysis. like when i could not decide which of 3 surgical teams to go with. then i took a blind leap of faith, trusted my intuition and chose against my wifes preferences even.

so i have pickedup a few cheap supplements that i nolonger use, as i have learned more
myself.

i generally agree with most of what you say and just wanted add that radio/chemo can be life saving. even on this gawler retreat they suggested radio/chemo/surgery can help remove, shrink the tumour. so that the immune system can handle the remnants. they in a sense give our t cells a chance. if the tumours growing exponentially debulking it makes sense to me.

tcm oncologist clearly explained tcm works slowly, if you don't have time for tcm to be effective then debulking seems reasonable to me. its actually what happended in my case.

anyway got to go sip my tea and have my juice.

the fear discuss is priceless and captures the problem i see with trying to decide what are the real risks and benefits of any health strategy.

for example see my broccoli sprouts post, so the risk is getting poisoned, possibly dieing. unreal fear says that will happen to me and stops people sprouting. unreal recklessness says that will not happen to me, that these sprouts will not make me sick, but will destroy my cancer naturally. for me being aware of the risks, taking steps to mitagate the downside while maximising the benefical potential is at the heart of my treatment strategy and healthstyle.

i have gone head to head against my oncologist and won against her professional opinion. her way is not the only way or the best way. even though she is very smart and caring. she is human and does not have all of the answers for me. we still have a great relationship. i have taught her a few things like not prescribing panadienne forte instead to use codienne only and that naturopathic solutions to diarrhea work better than western drugs. good old fashioned oxidised grated apple is grandmas cure for diarrhea and it works. i wish my dietician in the hospital told me that. our doctors first tool is to dish out drugs, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

good health to you.

hugs,
pete

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pete43lost_at_sea
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i had a good thank you written a few days ago and my computer crashed.
i just wanted to share why i like my fear and choose to use it, harnessing its power.
of course this starts with awareness. my aware mind sees my fears as clearly as it can.
sometimes my friends and family point out what i am missing.

for myself i like my fear, its one the keys to my motivation.

i see my fears, when i am aware of my fears, i take actions that control them.

some of my fears initially were blind to some extent. as i think, research and grow
they change shape.

my fears have promoted action or paralysis. like when i could not decide which of 3 surgical teams to go with. then i took a blind leap of faith, trusted my intuition and chose against my wifes preferences even.

so i have pickedup a few cheap supplements that i nolonger use, as i have learned more
myself.

i generally agree with most of what you say and just wanted add that radio/chemo can be life saving. even on this gawler retreat they suggested radio/chemo/surgery can help remove, shrink the tumour. so that the immune system can handle the remnants. they in a sense give our t cells a chance. if the tumours growing exponentially debulking it makes sense to me.

tcm oncologist clearly explained tcm works slowly, if you don't have time for tcm to be effective then debulking seems reasonable to me. its actually what happended in my case.

anyway got to go sip my tea and have my juice.

the fear discuss is priceless and captures the problem i see with trying to decide what are the real risks and benefits of any health strategy.

for example see my broccoli sprouts post, so the risk is getting poisoned, possibly dieing. unreal fear says that will happen to me and stops people sprouting. unreal recklessness says that will not happen to me, that these sprouts will not make me sick, but will destroy my cancer naturally. for me being aware of the risks, taking steps to mitagate the downside while maximising the benefical potential is at the heart of my treatment strategy and healthstyle.

i have gone head to head against my oncologist and won against her professional opinion. her way is not the only way or the best way. even though she is very smart and caring. she is human and does not have all of the answers for me. we still have a great relationship. i have taught her a few things like not prescribing panadienne forte instead to use codienne only and that naturopathic solutions to diarrhea work better than western drugs. good old fashioned oxidised grated apple is grandmas cure for diarrhea and it works. i wish my dietician in the hospital told me that. our doctors first tool is to dish out drugs, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

good health to you.

hugs,
pete

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Buckwirth
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one little clarification:

The "cancer" industry is not that much larger than alternative drugs:

Global Value of Prescription Drug Industry

"The global pharmaceutical market was $770 billion in 2008 (IMS data) and biotechnology drugs/biologics accounted for $120 billion and generics for $80 billion of the global market. The three top therapeutic categories were CNS drugs at $118 billion, cardiovascular drugs at $ 105 billion and Cancer drugs at $70 billion of sales. In biologics the top three categories were monoclonal antibodies at $33 billion, Vaccines at $24 billion and TNF inhibitors at $18 billion sales in 2008."

Global Value of Herbal Remedies Per Indian Government:

"Total global herbal market  is of size 62.0 billion dollars, in this India’s contribution is only one billion
dollars. The table in annexure 5 explains the position of India in the global
market. European union is the biggest market with the share 45% of total herbal
market. North America accounts for 11%, Japan 16%, ASEAN countries 19% and rest
of European Union 4.1%. Countries like Japan and China have successfully
marketed their traditional medicines abroad." 

This of course, is only the herbal market. It leaves out homeopathic remedies, and the HUGE supplement market.

The other thing it fails to account for, is that "Big Pharma" (all bastards IMHO) also play in "Big Supplement". Rather than seeing that market as sucking all of their profits, they recognize that there are huge profit margins in products that require no research, minimal quality control, and little advertising spend.

Let me give you an example: Perrigo

For about three years I represented Perrigo as a broker at the national account level. At the time I worked with them one of their biggest money makers was pseudoephedrine, and their big concern at the time was legislation that put that OTC behind the pharmacy counter. Why? Well it was/is a major component in the manufacture of methamphetamine. It is also very effective at controlling a runny nose, but that is not why it sold in such big numbers.

Currently Perrigo probably pulls in about $3b in revenue annually, with an operating margin of about 14%. They sell Over the Counter, generic RX, Vitamins and Supplements.

At the end of the day, they don't care if you go to a doctor, a naturopath or a homeopath, they will get their cut anyway.

My point is, the whole Pharma is Evil and is Afraid of Alternative is a canard. Pharma is Alternative, and you should distrust both equally.

laurettas
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I had no idea the two were so intertwined. I discovered the same thing with "organic" pesticides and things as well. Made by the same companies as the BAD sprays. That's why I question the healthiness of commercial "organic" foods sometimes. I almost never even use the organic solutions in my garden--we just eat a few more bugs. Good protein.

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tanstaafl
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Much too modest on the scope of "cancer industry" - hospitals, insurance, device manufacturers, infusion clinics, to name a few. Were those numbers wholesale or retail estimates? If you count the oncologists' bills for IV drugs minus a labor charge as retail pharmacy, the pharmacy numbers on $1-2 of 5FU become more like $1000, the drug totals would go way, way up. Also a lot of generics have hyperinflated since 2007-2008 - one US generic that I bought in 2009 for 4 - 5 cents per tab became unavailable and then $1 per tab with less performance, direct thanks to the #@$%^s at the FDA. We see this happening with generics in oncology too.

Likewise, I wonder how much of "herbal drugs" are really Herb, d'Chef missing in our modern junk fueled "diets"? Like when someone buys a pound of turmeric, food or "drug"? Herbs are massive because food is fundamentally BIG, and relatively low margin to patent medicines.

Pharma wants to *control* Alternative biochemistry, and charge 10x to 100x more. If pharma can't control alternative, then pharma "needs" to disorganize, destroy and discredit alternative nutrition and medicines, as it as been doing for the last 70 years. We should all know that corporate Marketing can be just as tough and duplicitous as Legal.
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Until I see 1st line treatments looking more like $75-100 per month, with substantially better results, instead of $7500, $15,000 or $25,000 per month, "come back and see us in 3 - 6 - 9 months" (recurrances), I know that the fox is in the henhouse.

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