He wants to die

My husband is giving up, he has had 5 out of 6 chemo treatments, the first 3 were great, down hill after that he lost 20 lbs in 3 weeks,I think I should remove the scale, he told me he wants to die, he was diagnosed in May 2011 Dr gave him 9 to 24 months with treatment half with out... it is hard to watch someone give up.. I don,t know what to do...

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  • lizzydavis
    lizzydavis Member Posts: 893
    Hi Geri,
    Hi Geri,

    I am so sorry to hear the news about your husband. I hope you will contact your local Cancer Center and ask for their support group. You could also contact your religious counselor.

    I just learned yesterday that one of my best friends has terminal gastric (stomach) cancer. She had completed her treatment for lung cancer and was starting to have some other problems. Then they told her the new diagnosis. I desperately wanted her to fight it but she has chosen to live a quality life rather than quantity. Although she feels well, they will begin Hospice next week. I am devastated but I must respect her wishes. She has control of her body and her life and that is her decision.

    I hope this gives you another insight. I am very upset but know that I must maintain a positive and loving attitude to help her along this journey.

    Hugs to you,
    Lizzy
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    Geri1959 -

    Rather than "give up", it's time to help him find other options.

    There are many of us that have chosen paths less travelled.
    For those of us, those paths have not caused us harm, or taken
    away our will to survive.

    There are no guarantees with any path, and cancer may very
    well get worse, or return, but some paths cause what you
    are experiencing, and other paths make surviving something
    to look forward to.

    Search this board using the word "alternative", and look at
    some of our profiles, you can learn what's out here; what is
    available to you and your partner to use against cancer.

    You don't have to walk into a rain of bullets to fight a war.

    My best to you both!

    John
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    Geri,
    There are a lot of things that go into a prognosis, and I know almost nothing about your husbands diagnoses, but I can tell you that most reputable Oncologists will not tell a patient that there is a two year limit. The fact is, they just don't know.

    Here are some pertinent facts:


    • For those diagnosed (dx'd) with mCRC (metastatic Colorectal Cancer) after 2004 the five year survival rate has jumped close to 150%


    • Credit for the above is goes almost entirely to the new drug regimens
    • There are several new drugs coming on-line in the next two to three years that should raise the survival rate even further


    There are several people on this board whose doctors did give them a prognosis, and in almost every case the doctor was wrong, mostly because those doctors are not keeping up with the latest data.

    There are other factors at play here. Based on your user name I would guess that you are about 52, and your husband is probably near the same age. The median age at dx is 72, the average life expectancy in the US is 76. Given that, the average life expectancy for those diagnosed with CRC is only four years. If, of course, you are 72 years old.

    Your husband is probably much younger, so the odds of his surviving longer are probably much better.

    Now, to the treatment. Right now your husband is probably being treated with Folfox or Folfiri, and I would guess that he is also getting Avastin. This will most likely last for 12 treatments, after which he will get a little break, be put on maintenance treatments, or get something like Erbitux. What I can tell you is that the second line treatments are MUCH easier to deal with.

    Folfox and Folfiri are both brutal treatments, and when you are in the depths of the treatment it is easy to imagine that giving up is preferable, to be honest, I still have those thoughts on my treatment days (I am on a combination of Irinotecan and Erbitux every other week). On days like today (no treatment since last Friday and feeling great) I cannot imagine why I would think that way.

    The weight loss is an issue. During this stage it is important that he try to keep his weight up, so when he can eat go for high calorie meals, and think about adding a protein drink to his diet (the kind body builders use). I use a powder, adding it to my coffee in the morning, and making a shake with peanut butter and bananas in the afternoon. On the days that eating is difficult, prepare small meals and snacks, again with a high calorie count. For the duration of chemotherapy treatment it is a good idea to forget about cholesterol, so real butter is good, and if he feels like steak and potato (with butter and sour cream) for breakfast he should go for it!

    Lastly, part of your husbands treatment is probably a steroid. This can cause mood swings, so discuss these with his Oncologist. He may suggest talk therapy, or an anti-depressant to keep those in check.

    Hopefully this gives you some hope.

    Blake
  • Geri1959
    Geri1959 Member Posts: 37
    Buckwirth said:

    Geri,
    There are a lot of things that go into a prognosis, and I know almost nothing about your husbands diagnoses, but I can tell you that most reputable Oncologists will not tell a patient that there is a two year limit. The fact is, they just don't know.

    Here are some pertinent facts:


    • For those diagnosed (dx'd) with mCRC (metastatic Colorectal Cancer) after 2004 the five year survival rate has jumped close to 150%


    • Credit for the above is goes almost entirely to the new drug regimens
    • There are several new drugs coming on-line in the next two to three years that should raise the survival rate even further


    There are several people on this board whose doctors did give them a prognosis, and in almost every case the doctor was wrong, mostly because those doctors are not keeping up with the latest data.

    There are other factors at play here. Based on your user name I would guess that you are about 52, and your husband is probably near the same age. The median age at dx is 72, the average life expectancy in the US is 76. Given that, the average life expectancy for those diagnosed with CRC is only four years. If, of course, you are 72 years old.

    Your husband is probably much younger, so the odds of his surviving longer are probably much better.

    Now, to the treatment. Right now your husband is probably being treated with Folfox or Folfiri, and I would guess that he is also getting Avastin. This will most likely last for 12 treatments, after which he will get a little break, be put on maintenance treatments, or get something like Erbitux. What I can tell you is that the second line treatments are MUCH easier to deal with.

    Folfox and Folfiri are both brutal treatments, and when you are in the depths of the treatment it is easy to imagine that giving up is preferable, to be honest, I still have those thoughts on my treatment days (I am on a combination of Irinotecan and Erbitux every other week). On days like today (no treatment since last Friday and feeling great) I cannot imagine why I would think that way.

    The weight loss is an issue. During this stage it is important that he try to keep his weight up, so when he can eat go for high calorie meals, and think about adding a protein drink to his diet (the kind body builders use). I use a powder, adding it to my coffee in the morning, and making a shake with peanut butter and bananas in the afternoon. On the days that eating is difficult, prepare small meals and snacks, again with a high calorie count. For the duration of chemotherapy treatment it is a good idea to forget about cholesterol, so real butter is good, and if he feels like steak and potato (with butter and sour cream) for breakfast he should go for it!

    Lastly, part of your husbands treatment is probably a steroid. This can cause mood swings, so discuss these with his Oncologist. He may suggest talk therapy, or an anti-depressant to keep those in check.

    Hopefully this gives you some hope.

    Blake
    WOW!!!!
    I just what to say THANKS you have given me hope I will write more later bout what drugs he is on THANKS THANKS you have given me WOW !!!
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
    Geri1959 said:

    WOW!!!!
    I just what to say THANKS you have given me hope I will write more later bout what drugs he is on THANKS THANKS you have given me WOW !!!

    Geri I was given just a few days when dx. stg IV.
    I was in such a bad shape, now it's been 2.5 years and doing better every day ! Concerning weight loos, this yes , may be a problem so let him eat what ever he wants candies, chocolate , pies, whatever he wants! that's important! and I also would suggest to talk to your doc about a dietetic supplement high in calories there are excelent shakes on the market ! And agree with buck, steroids like dexametasone can cause serious behavior changes or depressions ,check with your doc if you think that may be the cause!.
    Hope it helped!
  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member
    Sorry
    I'm so sorry that your husband is having such a hard time. I hope that he will either find the strength to complete this course or will investigate other options. No matter what he does, it's obvious he has a very caring wife, and he will need you by his side, no matter what his decision is.

    *hugs*
    Gail
  • maglets
    maglets Member Posts: 2,576 Member
    tootsie1 said:

    Sorry
    I'm so sorry that your husband is having such a hard time. I hope that he will either find the strength to complete this course or will investigate other options. No matter what he does, it's obvious he has a very caring wife, and he will need you by his side, no matter what his decision is.

    *hugs*
    Gail

    Geri
    there are so many of us here that were given the death date....I was given 6 months.....Geri that was 5 years ago.....honestly miracles happen,doctors don't know....I really really don't like these docs who give you that time limit.....but

    Blake is so smart....he gave you some really good advice...I too dropped 30 pounds....and finally a dietician pulled me back and my family rallied....tiny bits to eat and drink all day....always a little something there beside you

    do not give up my dears.....enjoy every moment you have together now

    big hugs....

    maggie
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    Geri
    Just re-iterating what Maglets said. I too, was given 4 to 6 months with chemo. I'm still here and doing great 1 year and 7 months later.
    For nausea they gave me emend pills and anti-nausea pills, my emend pills went to a fellow cancer patient who need them, and I also never used the anti-nausea pills. I used medical marijuana, it prevented any possibility of nausea in me and heck, I never lost a pound. Just a thought, plus it puts you in a good mood. I never smoked the marijuana, just bought it at the marijuana stores in chocolate truffle or cookie form.
    Winter Marie
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    maglets said:

    Geri
    there are so many of us here that were given the death date....I was given 6 months.....Geri that was 5 years ago.....honestly miracles happen,doctors don't know....I really really don't like these docs who give you that time limit.....but

    Blake is so smart....he gave you some really good advice...I too dropped 30 pounds....and finally a dietician pulled me back and my family rallied....tiny bits to eat and drink all day....always a little something there beside you

    do not give up my dears.....enjoy every moment you have together now

    big hugs....

    maggie

    And Geri
    Check Mag's profile, under expressions you will find pictures of her building a cabin in the woods this past summer. Pretty good for someone who had six months to live in 2006.

    Do you go to all of his Oncologist appointments? If so, make sure you go over every side effect, and its severity. They can adjust dosages, give other meds to treat the side effects, or change the treatment plan (for instance, my Oncologist almost switched me from Folfox to Folfiri because of stomach cramps. We solved the problem by adjusting the dosage of Folfox).

    Another thing to consider is fluid intake. It is so easy to get dehydrated, and it is amazing how much better one can feel if they go back to the infusion center (or to the emergency room) and get an infusion of fluids.

    Lastly, do not feel like you need to wait for office hours to call the Oncologist. Their exchange can reach them 24/7, and someone is always on call answer your questions and concerns. Even during office hours, the infusion nurses will return your calls between patients, and can be a great resource for dealing with issues that might seem trivial.

    Blake