My mom's surgery is this Thursday

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JMulkey
JMulkey Member Posts: 32
My mom's surgery for her ovarian cancer is this Thursday at 11:00 am central time. I'm very worried. The gyn/onc said he's not doing the surgery to prolong her life, as her cancer was already spread, but rather, to keep her from extensive bleeding later on. Never have heard such a thing. I asked him if he found it in the omentum or anyplace else would he remove it. He said he would try to get what he could of the omentum if he finds it there, but probably not the bowels or anywhere else. He's going in strictly to do a full hysterectomy, not to prolong her life.....what to do? She really wants this surgery, but his opinion is that it will not prolong her life. Has anyone else heard something like this? He's got a GREAT reputation as the best in this part of our state, and all of the other surgeons I know have highly recommended him as an excellent surgeon who is very thorough in his surgeries. So I don't know what to think. Maybe I'm just being too much of a worrier, which I'm prone to do anyway.

Mom is doing well. Her CA-125 was down to under 21 after her last chemo. But she had her gall bladder out three weeks after chemo and they found cancer 'cells' when they removed her gall bladder. Not a mass, just cells. So I have no idea what to think at this point. I want so badly for the surgeon to go in and get out whatever is there, and have her go into remission.

Am I just hoping for no reason here? Is there any chance at all that she could go into full remission?

I hate cancer!

Jenny

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  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834
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    Jenny....I would be
    Jenny....I would be confused, too. Is this a gyn/oncologist? Has your mom's cancer already been staged? Mine had spread to my omentum, bowel, and duodenum, as well as lymph nodes. Fortunately for me, the doctor removed everything he could, resectioned my bowel, and never said anything about bleeding "later".

    I have been in remission for 13 months, officially, and probably a couple of months longer than that. I see no reason your mom could not achieve remission, too.

    Carlene
  • JMulkey
    JMulkey Member Posts: 32
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    Jenny....I would be
    Jenny....I would be confused, too. Is this a gyn/oncologist? Has your mom's cancer already been staged? Mine had spread to my omentum, bowel, and duodenum, as well as lymph nodes. Fortunately for me, the doctor removed everything he could, resectioned my bowel, and never said anything about bleeding "later".

    I have been in remission for 13 months, officially, and probably a couple of months longer than that. I see no reason your mom could not achieve remission, too.

    Carlene

    She hasn't been staged yet
    Hi Carlene :) I have been following your posts on the trial you are on, with great hope for others later on, and hopefully including my mom, so first, let me say thank you for the sacrifices you are making right now on behalf of myself, my mom and so many other women.

    Mom hasn't been staged yet. But they know it is in the abdomen, because she had such awful ascites. She had to be drained twice before she ever started chemo, it was horrible, she looked way past 9 months pregnant, and could not breathe or eat at all. The doctor is a gyn/onc. And from what we've been told from her regular onc, her regular doctor, my breast surgeon (who I went to see and ask in person), and several other surgeons we know, that he is truly the best in this part of the state. So I'm fairly confused. He did say he would remove the omentum if he could (the problem here is going to be because of breathing difficulties with my mom on anesthesia, as she already has a problem with oxygen levels). So I'm thinking maybe he's saying that because he's not sure just how much time he's going to have in surgery with her? I don't know. And she won't wait now, she's all set to go tomorrow and she has alot of trust in this doctor already.

    We are hoping and praying for remission.
  • JMulkey
    JMulkey Member Posts: 32
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    JMulkey said:

    She hasn't been staged yet
    Hi Carlene :) I have been following your posts on the trial you are on, with great hope for others later on, and hopefully including my mom, so first, let me say thank you for the sacrifices you are making right now on behalf of myself, my mom and so many other women.

    Mom hasn't been staged yet. But they know it is in the abdomen, because she had such awful ascites. She had to be drained twice before she ever started chemo, it was horrible, she looked way past 9 months pregnant, and could not breathe or eat at all. The doctor is a gyn/onc. And from what we've been told from her regular onc, her regular doctor, my breast surgeon (who I went to see and ask in person), and several other surgeons we know, that he is truly the best in this part of the state. So I'm fairly confused. He did say he would remove the omentum if he could (the problem here is going to be because of breathing difficulties with my mom on anesthesia, as she already has a problem with oxygen levels). So I'm thinking maybe he's saying that because he's not sure just how much time he's going to have in surgery with her? I don't know. And she won't wait now, she's all set to go tomorrow and she has alot of trust in this doctor already.

    We are hoping and praying for remission.

    Well, surgery didn't go as we had hoped
    They removed one large tumor, but had to leave two. They were both attached to her colon and the surgeon said she would have been left with a colostomy, because he would have had to remove the colon. And it was his opinion that at this point it would not extend her life :( So, back to the oncologist to see if there's anything else they can do. This really sucks!
  • denyingarea
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    JMulkey said:

    Well, surgery didn't go as we had hoped
    They removed one large tumor, but had to leave two. They were both attached to her colon and the surgeon said she would have been left with a colostomy, because he would have had to remove the colon. And it was his opinion that at this point it would not extend her life :( So, back to the oncologist to see if there's anything else they can do. This really sucks!

    Jenny - thoughts for after surgery
    Jenny,
    I don't think I understand -- is this an initial diagnosis or a recurrence. Or, what is the reason her doctors are not hoping to extend her life?

    During my mother's initial staging surgery, they were surprised by the amount of disease (Stage IV UPSC, which is treated just like Ovarian cancer). Docs decided to leave tumors wrapped around the colon for quality of life issues, but still planned to do carbo/taxol. (Ultimately, my mother unfortunately did have to get an emergency colostomy a few weeks later because the tumor caused the bowels to stop working, and they still had to leave the tumor because it was sharing blood supply with too much vital tissue.)

    While 8 rounds of carbo/taxol have not been fully successful, and my mother still has residual cancer, it did shrink the amount of cancer by more than 900 centimeters. My mother had very little side affects from chemo and said he worst part was definitely recovering from the surgeries.

    I very much hope there is a chemo treatment your medical oncologist is willing to try for your mother and that it knocks those tumors out with minimal impact on her enjoyment.
  • JMulkey
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    Jenny - thoughts for after surgery
    Jenny,
    I don't think I understand -- is this an initial diagnosis or a recurrence. Or, what is the reason her doctors are not hoping to extend her life?

    During my mother's initial staging surgery, they were surprised by the amount of disease (Stage IV UPSC, which is treated just like Ovarian cancer). Docs decided to leave tumors wrapped around the colon for quality of life issues, but still planned to do carbo/taxol. (Ultimately, my mother unfortunately did have to get an emergency colostomy a few weeks later because the tumor caused the bowels to stop working, and they still had to leave the tumor because it was sharing blood supply with too much vital tissue.)

    While 8 rounds of carbo/taxol have not been fully successful, and my mother still has residual cancer, it did shrink the amount of cancer by more than 900 centimeters. My mother had very little side affects from chemo and said he worst part was definitely recovering from the surgeries.

    I very much hope there is a chemo treatment your medical oncologist is willing to try for your mother and that it knocks those tumors out with minimal impact on her enjoyment.

    The surgeon has said all along that it wasn't a matter
    of life extension, but he was doing the hysterectomy so that there wouldn't be excessive bleeding from the uterus later on. So I have no idea where he's coming from and no idea what her original oncologist is going to think about all of this. Mom had six rounds of taxol/carbo and it brought her CA 125 from 770 down to under 21. But still that cancer was there, so I'm confused. I don't understand why the CA 125 was so low if there was so much cancer. I'm hoping htere is more chemo she can do, and that since they now know (they really couldn't see well in the CT because they would not use the contrast due to what they thought was kidney failure, her creatinine was at 2.2, but had gone down to 1.2) where the tumors are, if something else can be done other than chemo, if they can do radiation, or what. I have to say, I've had cancer, had chemo, and am now four years out, mine was breast cancer. But my onc was so much clearer on exactly what was going on. The surgeon also has an opinion on what kind of cancer it is. He says it's definitely uterine. The oncologist has said all along that they tested the ascites, and also tested when she had her gall bladder taken out and it came back as adenocarcinoma and it was ovarian not uterine....so they seem to be disagreeing even on what kind of cancer it is.

    She's 78, diabetic and has had one heart attack and her kidneys evidently aren't doing great, but they are certainly doing better. I'm very disappointed that they couldn't get more of the tumors during surgery. I'm starting to wonder if the surgeon just didn't want to mess with it...a terrible thing to say I know, but who knows.

    Oh,this is an initial diagnosis. They couldn't do surgery at first because her ascites was so bad that the surgeon refused to operate until it was better.
  • LaundryQueen
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    JMulkey said:

    The surgeon has said all along that it wasn't a matter
    of life extension, but he was doing the hysterectomy so that there wouldn't be excessive bleeding from the uterus later on. So I have no idea where he's coming from and no idea what her original oncologist is going to think about all of this. Mom had six rounds of taxol/carbo and it brought her CA 125 from 770 down to under 21. But still that cancer was there, so I'm confused. I don't understand why the CA 125 was so low if there was so much cancer. I'm hoping htere is more chemo she can do, and that since they now know (they really couldn't see well in the CT because they would not use the contrast due to what they thought was kidney failure, her creatinine was at 2.2, but had gone down to 1.2) where the tumors are, if something else can be done other than chemo, if they can do radiation, or what. I have to say, I've had cancer, had chemo, and am now four years out, mine was breast cancer. But my onc was so much clearer on exactly what was going on. The surgeon also has an opinion on what kind of cancer it is. He says it's definitely uterine. The oncologist has said all along that they tested the ascites, and also tested when she had her gall bladder taken out and it came back as adenocarcinoma and it was ovarian not uterine....so they seem to be disagreeing even on what kind of cancer it is.

    She's 78, diabetic and has had one heart attack and her kidneys evidently aren't doing great, but they are certainly doing better. I'm very disappointed that they couldn't get more of the tumors during surgery. I'm starting to wonder if the surgeon just didn't want to mess with it...a terrible thing to say I know, but who knows.

    Oh,this is an initial diagnosis. They couldn't do surgery at first because her ascites was so bad that the surgeon refused to operate until it was better.

    It is really fortunate that
    It is really fortunate that you found a surgeon who agreed to put his/her scalpel on your 78-year old diabetic mother with her history of heart disease, questionable kidney function and a belly full of ascites & cancer with its blood supply. She probably would have bled to death in surgery had the surgeon not waited.

    I can understand your frustration with not having a clear picture of what cancer your mother is dealing with; you still have to look on the bright side--that is your mother survived the surgery. That is a HUGE relief!

    My opinion is that your mother is dealing with more than one kind of cancer. It is going to be a discussion about "risk vs. benefit" now.

    Congratulations on being a survivor of breast cancer yourself. I am sure that I am not the first to remind you to take care of yourself, too.

    Best wishes for all of you.
  • Cafewoman53
    Cafewoman53 Member Posts: 735 Member
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    Your Mom
    I'm so sorry that you and your Mom are dealing with all of this. I would hang on to hope as people often react surprisingly well to treatments. It sounds like the surgeon didn't think your Mom could handle a longer surgery. Talk to him and ask your questions and if you are not satisfied I would get a second opinion, sometimes I think the drs hold back because a lot of people don't want to know everything. You need to be able to talk to your dr. to understand what is going on and to be able to make informed decisions.
    Write your questions down and have them in hand when you go into your next appointment, it is so easy to forget them otherwise.
    How did your Mom handle the chemo? There are many different chemos out there,ask the dr what is his plan since surgery is not an option.Good luck!
    Colleen