Cancer is not only the tumor; it's also the process

LaundryQueen
LaundryQueen Member Posts: 676
edited April 2011 in Ovarian Cancer #1
The "targeted therapy" (such as Avastin) approach towards the treatment of cancer demonstrates a paradigm shift towards changing the environment that promotes cancer. Included with this is understanding the "epigenetic" triggers to cancer & how the individual can actively lower their risk of cancer occurrence & recurrence. Right now, the research is all at the cellular level and it is very encouraging to know that medical experts such as Dr. Servan-Schreiber, MD are promoting what is already researched & known to increase survival after a cancer diagnosis.

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  • Tethys41
    Tethys41 Member Posts: 1,382 Member
    Cellular approach
    Yes, it's amazing what things are in the works, even as we post. Check out this research:
    http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/15/3/264.pdf
    I understand a group of alternative docs are conducting a trial using this treatment on cancer patients, and they are having amazing results.
  • carolenk
    carolenk Member Posts: 907 Member
    Tethys41 said:

    Cellular approach
    Yes, it's amazing what things are in the works, even as we post. Check out this research:
    http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/15/3/264.pdf
    I understand a group of alternative docs are conducting a trial using this treatment on cancer patients, and they are having amazing results.

    Targeted therapy
    Wow! Thanks for posting that link, Kate. Who would have thought that the proton-pump inhibitor Nexium (esomeprazole) would play a role as targeted therapy against cancer?

    How fascinating that proton-pump inhibitors (PPIs) are routinely given IV as "chemo pre-med therapy" to stop the chemo-induced nausea. There may be a bonus benefit to the PPI therapy in inducing a change in the pH of the tumor (more acid within and more alkaline outside) therby making the tumor more chemosensitive!

    I was told by the oncology nurse that a lot of the OVCA patients were on PPIs and I wonder if the PPI alone is helping to extend survival, prevent metastasis or just prevent chemoresistance.

    There is more in that article that was new to me (such as DNP therapy) but the basic idea that cancer thrives in an acidic extracellular environment is the basis for the alkalinizing diet as support for survivors.

    I use Alka-Seltzer Gold (it has no aspirin in it) if I have strayed off the dietary path (ahhh, say during holidays) to neutralize the acidic effect of too many carbs. It is so hard to keep turning down delicious Hungarian pastries when my mother is such an excellent baker!
  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834
    carolenk said:

    Targeted therapy
    Wow! Thanks for posting that link, Kate. Who would have thought that the proton-pump inhibitor Nexium (esomeprazole) would play a role as targeted therapy against cancer?

    How fascinating that proton-pump inhibitors (PPIs) are routinely given IV as "chemo pre-med therapy" to stop the chemo-induced nausea. There may be a bonus benefit to the PPI therapy in inducing a change in the pH of the tumor (more acid within and more alkaline outside) therby making the tumor more chemosensitive!

    I was told by the oncology nurse that a lot of the OVCA patients were on PPIs and I wonder if the PPI alone is helping to extend survival, prevent metastasis or just prevent chemoresistance.

    There is more in that article that was new to me (such as DNP therapy) but the basic idea that cancer thrives in an acidic extracellular environment is the basis for the alkalinizing diet as support for survivors.

    I use Alka-Seltzer Gold (it has no aspirin in it) if I have strayed off the dietary path (ahhh, say during holidays) to neutralize the acidic effect of too many carbs. It is so hard to keep turning down delicious Hungarian pastries when my mother is such an excellent baker!

    I have been on PPI meds for
    I have been on PPI meds for YEARS, and Nexium, in particular. I still got OC.

    Carlene
  • LaundryQueen
    LaundryQueen Member Posts: 676

    I have been on PPI meds for
    I have been on PPI meds for YEARS, and Nexium, in particular. I still got OC.

    Carlene

    Misunderstanding of information
    Carlene: I don't know if you read the article or not. I don't think the article was about the role of Nexium in cancer prevention so much as it was about the role of a proton pump inhibitor like Nexium (and other agents) in helping chemo work better and in inducing death in cancer cells.

    I understand that your situation DID respond to chemo and did NOT metastasize--that is what I think carolenk meant to imply as one of the benefits of Nexium for cancer patients.

    The fact that you are doing well as a survivor says SOMETHING is working!

    So many women have been treated with "standard of care"--some do well and some don't; I think they need to be looking at common themes found in the long-term survivors and the ones who are cured.

    No one understands what flips the switch that starts the cancer machine--and I certainly ate an alkalinizing diet prior to the diagnosis myself and still do.

    I appreciate the importance of research in finding agents that change in the environment or the process of cancer. We all need to start thinking outside the box like Nancy.
  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834

    Misunderstanding of information
    Carlene: I don't know if you read the article or not. I don't think the article was about the role of Nexium in cancer prevention so much as it was about the role of a proton pump inhibitor like Nexium (and other agents) in helping chemo work better and in inducing death in cancer cells.

    I understand that your situation DID respond to chemo and did NOT metastasize--that is what I think carolenk meant to imply as one of the benefits of Nexium for cancer patients.

    The fact that you are doing well as a survivor says SOMETHING is working!

    So many women have been treated with "standard of care"--some do well and some don't; I think they need to be looking at common themes found in the long-term survivors and the ones who are cured.

    No one understands what flips the switch that starts the cancer machine--and I certainly ate an alkalinizing diet prior to the diagnosis myself and still do.

    I appreciate the importance of research in finding agents that change in the environment or the process of cancer. We all need to start thinking outside the box like Nancy.

    My cancer DID respond well
    My cancer DID respond well to first line chemo and 12 months of Taxol maintenance, but at diagnosis it had spread far beyond my ovaries. It was throughout my omentum and a number of lymph nodes, plus it had invaded my bowel and duodenum.

    I would love to hear that something as mundane as Nexium could prevent cancer from spreading or recurring. My doctor told me that several years ago, they were giving everyone Celabrex, hoping for the same thing. It didn't happen, but who knows what kind of connection might someday prove beneficial?

    Clamryn (I think) was taking Metformin, prescribed by her gyn/onc. I tried to talk mine into giving it a try, but he was not impressed with the studies and wouldn't prescribe it.

    Truly, the fact that I am still NED is due, I think, to the Taxol maintenance. Only time will tell if that's true or not. I have been totally off chemo drugs since the end of January, and my CA125 has gone up 2 points every month - from 7 to 9 to 11. My CT scan was clear (less than 3 weeks ago), and I had a confirmed UTI, which could have spiked the CA125, I guess, but I am not going to break out the champagne just yet.

    Carlene
  • srwruns
    srwruns Member Posts: 343

    My cancer DID respond well
    My cancer DID respond well to first line chemo and 12 months of Taxol maintenance, but at diagnosis it had spread far beyond my ovaries. It was throughout my omentum and a number of lymph nodes, plus it had invaded my bowel and duodenum.

    I would love to hear that something as mundane as Nexium could prevent cancer from spreading or recurring. My doctor told me that several years ago, they were giving everyone Celabrex, hoping for the same thing. It didn't happen, but who knows what kind of connection might someday prove beneficial?

    Clamryn (I think) was taking Metformin, prescribed by her gyn/onc. I tried to talk mine into giving it a try, but he was not impressed with the studies and wouldn't prescribe it.

    Truly, the fact that I am still NED is due, I think, to the Taxol maintenance. Only time will tell if that's true or not. I have been totally off chemo drugs since the end of January, and my CA125 has gone up 2 points every month - from 7 to 9 to 11. My CT scan was clear (less than 3 weeks ago), and I had a confirmed UTI, which could have spiked the CA125, I guess, but I am not going to break out the champagne just yet.

    Carlene

    "I am not going to break out
    "I am not going to break out the champagne just yet. "

    WHAT? Isn't champagne sampling required to get "just the right one" for a celebration?
  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834
    srwruns said:

    "I am not going to break out
    "I am not going to break out the champagne just yet. "

    WHAT? Isn't champagne sampling required to get "just the right one" for a celebration?

    I am so not a fine wine
    I am so not a fine wine connoisseur. I drink White Zen. I like Strawberry Hill and Arbor Mist. I recently discovered frozen cocktails in a bag. They sell them at Wal Mart. They are like juice boxes for grown-ups. I bought like 12 of them for our family Easter dinner. A good time was had by all.

    Carlene
  • srwruns
    srwruns Member Posts: 343

    I am so not a fine wine
    I am so not a fine wine connoisseur. I drink White Zen. I like Strawberry Hill and Arbor Mist. I recently discovered frozen cocktails in a bag. They sell them at Wal Mart. They are like juice boxes for grown-ups. I bought like 12 of them for our family Easter dinner. A good time was had by all.

    Carlene

    "I am so not a fine wine
    "I am so not a fine wine connoisseur. I drink White Zen"

    A gal after my own heart. White Zin is usually at the top of my list. Always challenging when several of our close friends have "boutique wineries" and spew all this high faultin' crap about wine. To me if it tastes good and the price is right I drink it. Thanks for the tip about Walmart! Walmart just started a trial "home delivery" service in the San Jose area...I wonder if they deliver.....ummmmm
  • carolenk
    carolenk Member Posts: 907 Member

    My cancer DID respond well
    My cancer DID respond well to first line chemo and 12 months of Taxol maintenance, but at diagnosis it had spread far beyond my ovaries. It was throughout my omentum and a number of lymph nodes, plus it had invaded my bowel and duodenum.

    I would love to hear that something as mundane as Nexium could prevent cancer from spreading or recurring. My doctor told me that several years ago, they were giving everyone Celabrex, hoping for the same thing. It didn't happen, but who knows what kind of connection might someday prove beneficial?

    Clamryn (I think) was taking Metformin, prescribed by her gyn/onc. I tried to talk mine into giving it a try, but he was not impressed with the studies and wouldn't prescribe it.

    Truly, the fact that I am still NED is due, I think, to the Taxol maintenance. Only time will tell if that's true or not. I have been totally off chemo drugs since the end of January, and my CA125 has gone up 2 points every month - from 7 to 9 to 11. My CT scan was clear (less than 3 weeks ago), and I had a confirmed UTI, which could have spiked the CA125, I guess, but I am not going to break out the champagne just yet.

    Carlene

    Maintaining chemosensitivity
    Dear Carlene

    I am so sorry if I may have implied that Nexium was something that would prevent cancer. I didn't mean that at all. Probably the last couple of sentences in my earlier post confused the issue.

    I think you may not understand my point: Yes, you are doing well thanks to the standard of care AND taxol maintenance, that is WONDERFUL!

    I think about those who started off on the same path as you and yet two years and nine different chemos later, are STILL not in remission.

    Anyway, I am keeping a mental inventory of ANYTHING that might promote chemosensitivity and just paying attention.

    Keep dancing with NED!

    Carolen
  • Tethys41
    Tethys41 Member Posts: 1,382 Member
    carolenk said:

    Maintaining chemosensitivity
    Dear Carlene

    I am so sorry if I may have implied that Nexium was something that would prevent cancer. I didn't mean that at all. Probably the last couple of sentences in my earlier post confused the issue.

    I think you may not understand my point: Yes, you are doing well thanks to the standard of care AND taxol maintenance, that is WONDERFUL!

    I think about those who started off on the same path as you and yet two years and nine different chemos later, are STILL not in remission.

    Anyway, I am keeping a mental inventory of ANYTHING that might promote chemosensitivity and just paying attention.

    Keep dancing with NED!

    Carolen

    Not just quackery
    You can pass it off as quackery if you want. What I know about the success of this trial is this. It has made pancreatic tumors disappear. It has put a woman I personally know with breast cancer into remission for the first time, when chemo couldn't. There was an ovarian cancer patient taken out of hospice to participate in the trial. She came in unable to speak and in a wheel chair. Three weeks into the treatment, she walked in. I've also heard that MD Anderson is interested in what is going on with the study. I think we will all be hearing about this more and more.
  • carolenk
    carolenk Member Posts: 907 Member
    Tethys41 said:

    Not just quackery
    You can pass it off as quackery if you want. What I know about the success of this trial is this. It has made pancreatic tumors disappear. It has put a woman I personally know with breast cancer into remission for the first time, when chemo couldn't. There was an ovarian cancer patient taken out of hospice to participate in the trial. She came in unable to speak and in a wheel chair. Three weeks into the treatment, she walked in. I've also heard that MD Anderson is interested in what is going on with the study. I think we will all be hearing about this more and more.

    Need more information
    Dear Kate

    Please post information about this trial if you can as I know someone who may be interested in enrolling in the trial. This is truly exciting!

    Thanks for sharing.

    Carolen
  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834
    Tethys41 said:

    Not just quackery
    You can pass it off as quackery if you want. What I know about the success of this trial is this. It has made pancreatic tumors disappear. It has put a woman I personally know with breast cancer into remission for the first time, when chemo couldn't. There was an ovarian cancer patient taken out of hospice to participate in the trial. She came in unable to speak and in a wheel chair. Three weeks into the treatment, she walked in. I've also heard that MD Anderson is interested in what is going on with the study. I think we will all be hearing about this more and more.

    Tethys, no one called it
    Tethys, no one called it "quackery." All of us are absolutely open to any approach which might improve our chances of beating this devastating disease. I simply said that Nexium has not been beneficial, as far as I can tell, in my OC treatment. It worked very nicely for GERD, however. Better than anything else I tried. I have recently switched to generic Prilosec because it is much less expensive, and my gastroenterologist says they (PPI's) are "all the same."

    FYI...these drugs can increase the blood levels of Valium and other drugs. Check with your pharmacist before mixing PPI's and other meds.

    Carlene