Pet/CT results and update

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Kathryn_in_MN
Kathryn_in_MN Member Posts: 1,252 Member
Well, I've had my last BIG hurrah, but still plan to have many more small ones. My oncologist says that in hindsight, he shouldn't have let me have such a long break. But we don't do hindsight... because if I did that for my original complaints and misdiagnosis, and any treatment decisions made along the way, there are always the "what-ifs?' that will drive one mad.

For the good news: Base of brain, face, neck, lungs and hilar regions appear normal. Breasts, axillary and supraclavicular regions normal - nothing noted other than my port-a-cath. Liver, spleen, pancreas and adrenal glands normal - with note of staples at the junction of the descending and sigmoid colon. Remainder of soft tissues in abdomen and pelvis and inguinal regions appear normal. Skeleton shows no bone metastasis, but does show benign appearing arthritic changes. So I have NO organ involvement, and NO bone mets.

As for the bad news: I've had spread with many lymph nodes over 1cm and very metabolically active. These are in the mediastinum, retroperitoneal areas. A new high activity node measuring 1.4X1.4cm with metabolic activity SUV of 6.7, left above the aortic arch. But the rest of the mediastinum area looks good. In the retroperitoneal area a new one in the aortocaval region mid-kidney area 1.3X1cm with SUV 6.7. A new left retroperitoneal just below kidneys 1.3X1cm with very high SUV of 10.6.

So since the scan on 01FEB there is development of new hypermetabolic lymphadenopathy in the mediastinum, and a significant increase in the same in the retroperitoneal nodes in the abdomen. This explains my rise in CEA.

My oncologist says it isn't great news, but isn't grave news either. He said I'm not getting rid of him any time soon - especially with no organ involvement. I said I was actually hoping that the progression was organ - something they could re-sect. But he told me with multiple lymph nodes involved, I am not a candidate for resection anyway. So it is very good news that I have no organ involvement!

So I'm back on the hard stuff - Irinotecan added back into the mix. FOLFIRI with Avastin every two weeks. If I get to a stable point again I can have short breaks - but never a long one again. Chemo for life plan continues, but a worse one, with fewer breaks, with maintenance chemo not seeming to be an option... I stay under control on FOLFIRI, but as soon as the Irinotecan was dropped, my CEA started rising. With the FOLFIRI I have to get the Neulasta again. The very first cycle on it, I couldn't get my second tx for 4 weeks instead of 2 (and still not good enough at 3 weeks) because it hit me and dropped my blood counts so low. So I have no choice in the matter.

I have a love/hate relationship with chemo. I hate it - but it is keeping me alive. So what can I do?

Fairview Ridges (the closer hospital) cannot get me in for my Neulasta on Sunday, so I have to go up to Fairview Southdale. This sucks, but again, what can I do? It is SO ridiculous that I go to the hospital for these in the first place. But major medical will not pay for me to have them at home. If I choose that route it means $75 co-pay per shot through prescription coverage. There is no out-of-pocket max for prescription. I met out-of-pocket max for major medical in January. Our healthcare/insurance system is extremely flawed. It would cost my major medical insurance company so much less to let me get the shots at home. There is always one annoyance after another when dealing with our medical system.

In all of this I have my wonderful health care team that I can rely on to help me out. My oncologist and I are both strong-willed, but have come to a very good working relationship. He is good at what he does. My oncologist's regular nurse Nicole is wonderful, and returns my calls quickly. My lifesaver is my colon cancer nurse navigator Kim. Since my PET/CT report wasn't completely clear about total node involvement she is getting that number for me. And she is looking into possibilities for the future for Neulasta at home - to see how many shots I might be able to get for one co-pay, instead of having to pay it for every shot.

I may have progression, but I'm still kicking and fighting, and don't plan on an end any time soon. And I'm grateful for the break I got, because truly I don't know how many cycles in a row I can do of chemo. I often feel the chemo will kill me before the cancer. So we will have to find a balance that I can live with.

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  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member
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    Here's to you, strong lady!
    I've already commented on your caringbridge site, but just want to give you some more hugs.

    *Hugs*
    Gail
  • AnneCan
    AnneCan Member Posts: 3,673 Member
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    Kathryn
    Thanks for updating us. I am sorry that you have the LN involvement + that chemo continues to be needed. However early on in my treatment the surgeon I was supposed to have done my colon surgery but I never had the surgery (because liver mets were discovered) said, "we will evaluate this every step of the way". I remind myself of this evertime I think something is "never" going to happen. After my last scan, although I had increases in some liver mets, my onc said that lymph nodes had shrunk, also some "odds + ends" (not her exact words) had disappeared. I took those to be the weird things they mention on the scan but it is difficult to know what they mean - usually it becomes clearer on the scan or thankfully disappear. Kathryn, you break sounds like a taste of heaven. I have a feeling your state of mind from that will be one of your toughest news for awhile. I am sorry you need to go further your Neulasta. By the way you may have had some progression of the disease, but I think you made progression against it. It sounds like your onc is a good one.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
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    Kathryn -



    Re:
    "But he told me with multiple lymph nodes involved, I am
    not a candidate for resection anyway. "


    I found that puzzling; did he explain why that's so?

    Almost every stage 3 and 4 here have had node involvement,
    and have had a resection...

    (I have)

    Best of health,

    John
  • Kathryn_in_MN
    Kathryn_in_MN Member Posts: 1,252 Member
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    John23 said:

    Kathryn -



    Re:
    "But he told me with multiple lymph nodes involved, I am
    not a candidate for resection anyway. "


    I found that puzzling; did he explain why that's so?

    Almost every stage 3 and 4 here have had node involvement,
    and have had a resection...

    (I have)

    Best of health,

    John

    Distant nodes
    Sure you can have multiple lymph nodes involved and have a resection - I had 5 of 17 nodes with cancer at original dx - but those were adjacent nodes. I had a colon resection - most of my sigmoid removed.

    But the nodes I have with cancer now are spread out, I have para aortic sitting behind my heart against my spine, peratrachial near my aorta (mediastinal), and some retroparitoneal at mid-kidney level and below. So I have multiple lymph nodes with cancer spread around my back, chest, and abdomen - all distant from the original colon cancer site. The PALN are the toughest as far as having them removed - dangerous location.

    So that puts me in a situation that other stage IV's have been in with both lung and liver nodes, or too many lung or liver nodes for resection. In my current situation if I had liver nodes that would be resectable, they will do it if they think it is curative. But with multiple distant nodes involved it couldn't be considered curative.
  • Crow71
    Crow71 Member Posts: 679 Member
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    But I guess it could be worse. You sound strong as usual. Folfori is rough as hell on you, but you can do it. I'm sure you and your onc can find a good schedule that gives you the little breaks you'll need to keep on keepin' on. I really hope this next phase goes well for you.

    You're so wise not to let hindsight get you down.

    Take care,
    Roger
  • tanstaafl
    tanstaafl Member Posts: 1,313 Member
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    Distant nodes
    Sure you can have multiple lymph nodes involved and have a resection - I had 5 of 17 nodes with cancer at original dx - but those were adjacent nodes. I had a colon resection - most of my sigmoid removed.

    But the nodes I have with cancer now are spread out, I have para aortic sitting behind my heart against my spine, peratrachial near my aorta (mediastinal), and some retroparitoneal at mid-kidney level and below. So I have multiple lymph nodes with cancer spread around my back, chest, and abdomen - all distant from the original colon cancer site. The PALN are the toughest as far as having them removed - dangerous location.

    So that puts me in a situation that other stage IV's have been in with both lung and liver nodes, or too many lung or liver nodes for resection. In my current situation if I had liver nodes that would be resectable, they will do it if they think it is curative. But with multiple distant nodes involved it couldn't be considered curative.

    ...or high water
    Having just been through surgical interviews for para-aortic nodes, I will say medical presumption and inertia are significant factors. They're worried about adhesions, metastatic spread, and surgical risks - "all for a single node or two" when there might be more. Once their objections were parried, having lots of data and having tapped other doctors, the ball started rolling. More nodes, sites means lots more inertia, like immovable object. I can't agree with that thinking, because I don't think it reflects known-but-obscure inhibitor technology, nor do I think they are weighing patients' risk-benefit correctly.

    I don't think existing technology has been fully deployed in this area. Not by a long shot. To me the answers are combinatorial therapies ("cocktails") to stop metastasis, and reduce/limit node activity, then picking off nodes, one by one, faster than they multiply. That is the challenge, to pick them off, hell or high water.