A few thoughts on Stage IV, recurrence and treatment options

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Callaloo
Callaloo Member Posts: 135
edited April 2011 in Esophageal Cancer #1
I had hoped, (actually, I truly believed) that on the one-year anniversary of my stage IV diagnosis (April 1), I would be able to report that I was cancer free (or NED). Refusing to believe the doctors who told me a year ago that I was incurable, I chose to undergo radiation concurrently with the most aggressive course of chemo, the big cannons as Sherri calls them, and when my post treatment scans came back clean, the mass in my esophagus had disappeared and my lymph nodes had shrunk to nothing, I went back to work, and I returned to my normal life, I started to think I had in fact been cured.

Well, I guess no one but me was surprised when a new lymph node popped up in a scan end of last year. It was too small to biopsy. A follow-up scan a month later showed no growth, so I thought I had dodged a bullet. I went on my vacation thinking everything was OK, had a great time, then had a CT scan when I got back, which showed that the node and a couple more had grown. Malignancy was confirmed by biopsy, and I panicked. My instinct was to go for the most aggressive course of action again. I wanted more big cannons.

This time, my doctor disagreed, unequivocally. He recommended that I do nothing! Thinking that he had just given up on me, I decided I needed to see another doctor, one that specializes in advanced esophageal cancer, who was associated with a large research hospital and would be better informed and more experienced in treating EC, one of the best in the field.

So I found the doctor I wanted, sent my records and CDs of my scans off and booked my airline flight in search of a better answer. My husband and I had a 2 1/2 -hour consultation with the oncology team, the head of GI oncology and his research fellow. We were both surprised that they spent so much time with us. They reviewed the scans and slides. They patiently listened to and thoroughly addressed all our questions. And in the end we got an answer-- not the one I was looking for, but one we are satisfied with. And one that I am still learning to accept.

Stage IV is incurable (we all know that by now, right?), and the goal of treatment is not to eradicate the cancer but to achieve and maintain stable disease, for as long as possible, with good quality of life.

It's a truth I've known at some level for a year. Still, it almost breaks my heart to to think in those terms.

But with that treatment goal in mind, I now understand that the option of "do nothing" is not unreasonable, and it doesn't mean giving up. Especially for me, because I have no symptoms, the lymph nodes, though malignant, are very small and appear to be growing quite slowly, and there is no evidence of major organ involvement. Given all that, my disease is pretty close to "stable". To treat with an aggressive chemo regimen at this time would probably do more harm than good, not only destroy my present high quality of life, but also shorten it as well.

Sherri has suggested numerous times that it is better to go with a more manageable chemo regimen and save the big guns until absolutely necessary. It seems counter-intuitive to wait until the cancer takes a more dangerous path before bringing out the firepower. But that is the current state of the art (and when treating stage IV, it seems like it's as much art as it is science).

The harsh chemo regimen I had last year almost killed me. I was bedridden for 3 months, I missed out on a beautiful Oregon summer and a lot of activities I love, and I was unable to do the work that I love. I survived, but my WBC is now permanently depressed, and I have some kidney damage, which may limit my options in the future. As tough as it was, it didn't prevent recurrence. I now understand Sherri's point.

And I understand the doctors' reluctance to treat. But after consulting with the specialists, we have decided to compromise. Rather than do nothing, which I just didn't feel comfortable with (perhaps that's a quality of life issue by itself?) I am starting Xeloda as a single agent, at a slightly reduced dose. The hope is that it will slow the growth of the tumors (not eradicate...), and I will be able to continue living my life to the fullest. We'll save the big canons for later.

And despite my personal disappointment in learning that my tumors are growing again, I know I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm still here. I'm healthy, active, and symptom-free. My doctors tell me that I've already beaten the odds.

"Still Here" in Oregon

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  • Callaloo
    Callaloo Member Posts: 135
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    Just a few words about my choice of doctor
    Just a few words about my search for a specialist. I decided to focus on the individual doctor, rather than just going to a famous cancer center. I got lots of recommendations, but most were for thoracic surgeons (such as Drs. Luketich, Nguyen, Dolan, etc.). Of the GI oncologists, I finally narrowed it down to Dr. Gibson in Pittsburg and Dr. Wells Messersmith in Denver. Both had fellowships at Johns Hopkins and were assistant professors of oncology at the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at Johns Hopkins at about the same time. And they had comparable medical degrees -- Gibson from Johns Hopkins and Messersmith from Harvard. It was a close decision. I chose Messersmith because he is very highly regarded by close personal friends, and Denver is a 2 hour nonstop flight for me. Pittsburg is not easy to get to from Eugene. In the end, I am happy with the choice I made. I was really impressed with Dr. Messersmith.

    I have to admit I also sought a third opinion from a friend who is a GI oncologist at the University of Sweden who is very well known in Europe in the field of gastric cancers. As much as I would like to have traveled to Uppsala to confer, we just emailed each other.
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  • Callaloo
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    Sherri, I think about you a
    Sherri, I think about you a lot, and all you have gone through with Jim... yet you're still always here, caring, thoughtful and informative, even in the face of your own loss. Thank you.

    Lu
  • mrsbotch
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    Hi Lu
    I was so glad to see your post. Sherri and I talk all thge time and I only wish that MY VINCE had not started out with the really harsh chemo. Now of course it is too late for him. I am so glad that you still are pain freen and feel good . Keep going and we will all hope for the very best for you. You sound like a very special woman and I hope you live a very fruitful life even tho you still have the BEAST. Maybe , just maybe, you will be one of the lucky ones. I sure hope so Lu.


    Your friend


    Barb

    Please pick up the phone any time and call. I really enjoy hearing your voice.
  • Tina Blondek
    Tina Blondek Member Posts: 1,500 Member
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    Callaloo said:

    Just a few words about my choice of doctor
    Just a few words about my search for a specialist. I decided to focus on the individual doctor, rather than just going to a famous cancer center. I got lots of recommendations, but most were for thoracic surgeons (such as Drs. Luketich, Nguyen, Dolan, etc.). Of the GI oncologists, I finally narrowed it down to Dr. Gibson in Pittsburg and Dr. Wells Messersmith in Denver. Both had fellowships at Johns Hopkins and were assistant professors of oncology at the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center at Johns Hopkins at about the same time. And they had comparable medical degrees -- Gibson from Johns Hopkins and Messersmith from Harvard. It was a close decision. I chose Messersmith because he is very highly regarded by close personal friends, and Denver is a 2 hour nonstop flight for me. Pittsburg is not easy to get to from Eugene. In the end, I am happy with the choice I made. I was really impressed with Dr. Messersmith.

    I have to admit I also sought a third opinion from a friend who is a GI oncologist at the University of Sweden who is very well known in Europe in the field of gastric cancers. As much as I would like to have traveled to Uppsala to confer, we just emailed each other.

    Hello Still Here!
    Thank you

    Hello Still Here!
    Thank you for your update. I have been wondering about you. I wanted to tell you that my dad, who unfortunately passed away from his EC when it went to his liver, had oral chemo, xeloda. He did very well with this chemo. Had hardly any side effects. This chemo worked for the ec, it did shrink the tumor considerably and put him into remission. But....this remission only lasted one year. In Dec. 09 the EC went to his liver. He tried the xeloda again....not as good this time. Once this beast of a cancer goes to another major organ...it is usually down hill. Not always though, so keep a positive outlook. Everyone is different. I will be thinking of you and praying for you that the xeloda does its best for you. Keep us posted!
    Tina in Va
  • Callaloo said:

    Sherri, I think about you a
    Sherri, I think about you a lot, and all you have gone through with Jim... yet you're still always here, caring, thoughtful and informative, even in the face of your own loss. Thank you.

    Lu

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  • sangora
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    mrsbotch said:

    Hi Lu
    I was so glad to see your post. Sherri and I talk all thge time and I only wish that MY VINCE had not started out with the really harsh chemo. Now of course it is too late for him. I am so glad that you still are pain freen and feel good . Keep going and we will all hope for the very best for you. You sound like a very special woman and I hope you live a very fruitful life even tho you still have the BEAST. Maybe , just maybe, you will be one of the lucky ones. I sure hope so Lu.


    Your friend


    Barb

    Please pick up the phone any time and call. I really enjoy hearing your voice.

    sangora
    I am taking Xeloda as a single agent after several months of radiation and a chemo cocktail that included xeloda. All these measures together have illiminated the EC tumor and I am now doing well on Xeloda alone. There is no spread at this time and for that I am grateful. I take 2000mg in the am and 2000mg in the evening. For the most part I have few side effects with fatigue being my "new normal". Even with the fatigue I am still able to do pretty much what I want. There is a newer drug than Xeloda that is getting some discussion to aide in the control of EC. Hopefully by the time Xeloda is no longer effective, this drug will be on tap for us.
  • birdiequeen
    birdiequeen Member Posts: 319
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    Thank you
    This was so insightful. I truly appreciate you expressing your thoughts. I have been thinking about your post for a couple of days now. It was very meaningful to me. Thank you.