any other colorectal vitamin d3 clinical trials running or planned

pete43lost_at_sea
pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
just really interested if any other clinical trials re vitamin d3 and colorectal are running or planned around this large planet.

some of us have faith in these papers re vitamin d3 and reoccurence preventition.

the more trials I see in an area, the more hope or potential I see the supplementation of d3 as having.

I attended a cancer symposium today and the oncologist was negative re d3 and preventition. So is my oncologist. So I just doing a little research to back myself up a little as all the negatitive onc messages does burst my d3 bubble a little.

below is a proposed trial starting in new zealand doing large dose vitamin d3 preop.
read the link details in interested. I found the explanations informative but could not copy and paste them here, sorry.

http://www.anzctr.org.au/ACTRN12610000936022.aspx

thanks,

Pete

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  • AnneCan
    AnneCan Member Posts: 3,673 Member
    Talked to my onc
    Yesterday we talked to my onc about taking high levels of vit D. She said they used to do a lot of Vit D testing + now don't do it because of lack of evidence that megadoses of it do any good + in fact can be toxic because of buildup (Vitamin D is fat soluble so excess is not excreted). We also asked her about high doses of Viamin C. Her concern is the effect on kidneys - she said excesses can cause crystals to form + you can have renal issues.
  • abrub
    abrub Member Posts: 2,174 Member
    Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center
    in NYC has been doing research on Vitamin D and stage 4 Colorectal cancer. I tried to get into the study, but couldn't (appendix cancer didn't qualify.) However, one of the investigators, Dr. Kathleen Wesa, has been seeing me as a patient to control my D-levels.
  • dianetavegia
    dianetavegia Member Posts: 1,942 Member
    Check this out
    Vitamin D Video Click Here

    It's 39 minutes long.

    Here's another:
    Click here
  • Dharma girl
    Dharma girl Member Posts: 40
    I don’t have cancer, but ……
    I started taking vit d3 about six months ago. I had a blood panel done and it showed that my D levels were really low and that I had hypothyroidism. My blood pressure was also high. I did not want to take any prescription drugs,so I did a ton of research and found that low levels of vit D can cause high blood pressure and hypothyroidism.

    I started on 10,000 IU a day for three months,and I’m currently taking 5,000 IU a day.

    I have had good results so far. I no longer have insurance, so getting a blood panel is out of the question. But, I check my blood pressure often and it has gone down.


    Hope the helps.

    D
  • tanstaafl
    tanstaafl Member Posts: 1,313 Member
    I'm in awe
    Last night, after I looked at Diane's videos with Dr Garland, I found this: Big D.
    No, not Dallas, no JR here. Meet double boarded endocrinologist, Dr. J Joseph Prendergast, Stanford Med prof, formerly UCSF. Award winning doctor in diabetes applications of clinical high dose vitamin D.

    Short version:
    Cancer part starts at ~3:51 min 8:35 min length

    Longer version:
    Vitamin D:The Miracle Hormone with Joe Prendergast 28:19 minutes
    Cancer part starts at 14:35 minutes. Also note the later part about transient cancer masses with strong immune response and swelling, that should be food for thought for everyone.

    If one eventually trades high D3 dose with calcium dose, Prendergast is "No calcium" supplements and apparently adds or balances vitamins A, K2, magnesium and zinc, and implies more supplements.

    Examples of his protocol and literature are needed. If I lived within 250 miles of Palo Alto or a reasonable plane ride to SFO, etc, I'd go for at least a consult.

    No one should jump the gun here. This is definitely go slow, find informed professional support (as in my postgraduate research was.... and I've done this XX times with great success before, Recognition award from....), and do your own homework, too, territory. I'm interested, but I plan to surf, research, think and try to link with others that might be able to add to our cumulative knowledge base for 1-3 months.
  • tanstaafl
    tanstaafl Member Posts: 1,313 Member
    test trials and negative advice
    Great info update, Pete.

    I am glad there are D3-cancer trials but I have to say, several elements in those trials surprise me. First, a single dose of 100-200,000 iu for up to 21 days presurgery and then what vit D protocol in the following 5 years, for presumably advanced CRC underwhelms me. Post surgery vitamin D3, not specified as far as I know, so 400-600 iu D3 per day post surgery? Or maintain >32 ng/mL?

    We have been through 60 years of negativism and highly flawed, toxic rumor mongering on vitamin D3. Whether based on D1, D2, or more toxic analogs, or major mistakes in old test reports on dosage from very 3rd world countries, excessive calcium supplementation, or excessive vitamin A with liver disease and smokers. The basic fact is our medical institutions haven't done their homework on D3 right for generations and still aren't really getting to the nub of the answers directly.

    I do not trust any negative off-the-cuff say-so at this point, I investigate when I hear new versions. Although there isn't a lot of high end data, some of what we have suggests some people with CRC do benefit and metabolize or excrete vitamin D3 at higher rates, hence become deficient more easily. Less does not sound like more to me.

    My wife ran through about 2 million iu of vitamin D3 over several months (16-17,000 then 11-12,000 iu per day), one month presurgery to several months after, and still had lower vitamin D blood levels than these tests' goals of 80 nmol/L (32 ng/mL), which several D3 investigators believe to be inadequate for colon cancer based on their analyses of data and mechanisms.

    Our kidney protection plan is to actively monitor total calcium, every 2-3 wks, and phosphorus. We keep the Ca-P product at 55 or below. The big alarm bells go off at 70. Other supplemental factors may protect the kidneys more. The big items that seem to affect calcium levels, besides vitamin D3 and calcium intake, are inflammation and chemo, both of which affect blood D3 levels in the medical literature, and maybe in our data. So we monitor inflammation too.

    Also I've had three doctors sign off on high dose vitamin C protocols, including the Univ of Kansas protocol, including IV magnesium salts and oral B complex (folate replaced by folinate/leucovorin), up to 75-90 grams IV vitamin C per day, 3-7 days per week for 10 months now. No kidney issues here, the vitamin C helps to allow the 5FU-LV chemo treatment to continue, even helping to squelch a mucositis-stomatitis event due to folate-5FU toxicity buildup. This does not answer whether vitamin C interacts negatively/positively with oxaliplatin, although the question may be trickier than many think, "Show me the data".

    We strongly believe in active monitoring of blood data, and we get it independent of insurance.
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    tanstaafl said:

    I'm in awe
    Last night, after I looked at Diane's videos with Dr Garland, I found this: Big D.
    No, not Dallas, no JR here. Meet double boarded endocrinologist, Dr. J Joseph Prendergast, Stanford Med prof, formerly UCSF. Award winning doctor in diabetes applications of clinical high dose vitamin D.

    Short version:
    Cancer part starts at ~3:51 min 8:35 min length

    Longer version:
    Vitamin D:The Miracle Hormone with Joe Prendergast 28:19 minutes
    Cancer part starts at 14:35 minutes. Also note the later part about transient cancer masses with strong immune response and swelling, that should be food for thought for everyone.

    If one eventually trades high D3 dose with calcium dose, Prendergast is "No calcium" supplements and apparently adds or balances vitamins A, K2, magnesium and zinc, and implies more supplements.

    Examples of his protocol and literature are needed. If I lived within 250 miles of Palo Alto or a reasonable plane ride to SFO, etc, I'd go for at least a consult.

    No one should jump the gun here. This is definitely go slow, find informed professional support (as in my postgraduate research was.... and I've done this XX times with great success before, Recognition award from....), and do your own homework, too, territory. I'm interested, but I plan to surf, research, think and try to link with others that might be able to add to our cumulative knowledge base for 1-3 months.

    also benefits neuropathy
    i wonder if sun baking will fix my tingling toes ???/

    agreed about go slow, interested in no calcium point and possible kidney stones due to supplements not to mention artery problems.

    its great info, but dam we post this stuff looking for answers and all we get are more questions. hey but thats life and the video does point us lots of different areas.