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Mchapp
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I went to a Pharmacy lecture today - and a Radiation oncologist stated that everyone should have a prelim vitamin D level drawn...
He stated that there are Researchers studying the fact that most CRC patients have a Vitamin D deficiency....hummmm
I have been treated for over 3 years thru a endocrinologist for an extremely low Vitamin D as well as a low B level....
Just wondered if any of you have heard this - or even know what your vitamin D level is...

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dianetavegia
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Actually, it's Vitamin D3 and that is not found in your 'One A Day' or even some Centrum type vitamins.

I'm taking 4,000 IU's in Vit D3 alone, plus get some in my Calcium supplements, also recommended for prevention of recurrence and in my Centrum Silver Ultra Women's daily vitamin. An aspirin a day is also recommended.

A= Aspirin (325mg)
B= Better Diet Diet Here
C= Calcium
D= Vitamin D3
E= Exercise

Information for our new members.
The studies were all done on Stage III colon cancer patients.

A: an aspirin a day
B: Better diet with no red meat or limited to 4 ounces a month
C: Calcium
D: Vitamin D3 which is only found in a few foods. Note: this is NOT the Vit. D in One a Day, etc. It is in Centrum Ultra, etc.
E: Exercise The Dana Farber Cancer Institute has done several studies which prove recurrence can be avoided at a rate of 55% in Stage III women who exercise regularly.

ASPIRIN:
CHICAGO – Score another win for the humble aspirin. A study suggests colon cancer patients who took the dirt-cheap wonder drug reduced their risk of death from the disease by nearly 30 percent.

Aspirin already is recommended for preventing heart attacks and strokes, along with its traditional use for relief of minor aches and pains. Its merit in colon cancer prevention has been tempered by its side effects, bleeding from irritation of the stomach or intestines.

The new study suggests patients who already have colon cancer may benefit from taking aspirin along with surgery and chemotherapy. In a separate analysis of a subgroup of patients, only those with the most common type of tumor, those that overproduce the Cox-2 enzyme, saw a benefit.

"The paper is absolutely incredible, and I don't gush normally," said Dr. Alfred Neugut of Columbia University Medical Center in New York who has done similar research but was not involved in the new study. In an accompanying editorial, Neugut wrote that the study "comes as close as it can to offering patients a way to help themselves.".....
The yahoo link for this article is now old but a search can be done online for more information using the doctor's name.

BETTER DIET: The Mediterranean Diet is believed (study being done at U of Mich) to raise survival rates from Colon Cancer by 6%.

CALCIUM:
Should Everyone Take Calcium and Vitamin D?
Written by Heinz-Josef Lenz, MD.

Only about five years ago, every patient of mine who finished chemotherapy was given a vitamin cocktail to further reduce colon cancer risk. It was calcium, selenium, vitamin E and folic acid.

Over the last three years, folic acid has been shown to increase growth of polyps, and in patients with metastatic disease it may shorten life. The protective value of vitamin E has been questioned, and there was evidence that it might increase prostate cancer risk. Selenium did not show benefit.

So we are down to calcium. This supplement has been shown repeatedly to benefit patients by reducing cancer risk for a variety of solid tumors including colon cancer. A recent publication by Dr. Yikyung Park from the National Cancer Institute showed that supplementation of 1200 mg calcium in women and men over the age of 50 decreased cancer risk by 17% for men and 23% for women (Archives of Internal Medicine, February 23, 2009). These were cancers of the gastrointestinal tract mainly colon cancers.

The usually source for calcium in our diet is milk products (yogurt, cheese etc) as well as meat. The calcium pathway is very interesting because it requires activity of vitamin D. Without vitamin D it is difficult to absorb calcium and put it into the organs where we need it, but to make sure we have sufficient vitamin D we need some sun exposure (vitamin D is activated in the skin) and we need a functional kidney.

When vitamin D was tested in patients with colon cancer it was found by Dr. Charles Fuchs in the Journal of Clinical Oncology published in June last year that the patients with the highest vitamin D levels lived longer suggesting that low levels may be associated with shorter survival. I recommend all my patients take 1500 mg of calcium and 1000-3000 units of vitamin D daily.

If you have a history of kidney stones or inflammatory bowel disease please check with your doctor first before starting calcium supplements.

D3: Watch this video on Vitamin D3 and cancer
Watch the Youtube video at: Click Here

In a new study, researchers at the Moores Cancer Center and Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, UC San Diego used a complex computer prediction model to determine that intake of vitamin D...

EXERCISE: Do a web search for the Dana Farber Cancer Institute colon cancer exercise Using all those words should bring it right up. 55% is amazing!

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dianetavegia
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My Vit. D3 level about 6 months ago was 19. I began taking 2,000 IU's of Vit. D3 plus what is in my other supplements and my next reading was 34. I've upped my dosage considerably now and have my levels done with my quarterly blood work. A reading of 50 to just under 100 is optimal.

lcarper2
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I was told I can't take it while on chemo by my ONC

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dianetavegia
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I began taking aspirin 2 weeks after chemo ended.

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PamPam2
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Yes. The endocrinologist who is treating my high cholesterol tested my vit d 3 level, it was low. Low levels are also associated with high cholesterol, fibermyalgia (sp?) and a host of other problems. Since we are all getting less sun and wearing sunscreen we are less able to produce this vitamin. The good news I found gummy vit D3 at walmart, they are actually good! I hate swallowing those big vitamins, I also got adult gummy multivitamins at Sams club, if you buy the great big bottles it's pretty affordable. Foods that contain D3 is eggs, fish (but you are not supposed to eat that much fish because of contaminants) or cod liver oil if you can get it down.
Pam

bioLIGHTguy
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Having too little vitamin D may not have any outwardly obvious signs. The only way to know is by testing your blood. You must test for 25(OH)D, not 1,25(OH)D. They look similar, but 1,25(OH)D is a measure of kidney function, and is not the test you want for measuring vitamin D levels. Ideally, your blood level should be around 60-80 ng/ml, as this allows the body to have some vitamin D in reserve, and it duplicates the higher levels found in young, healthy individuals who spend a decent amount of time in a sun-rich environment.

According to world Renowned Vitamin D expert Dr. Michael Holick, Professor of Medicine, Physiology, and Biophysics at Boston University School of Medicine, "We estimate that vitamin D deficiency is the most common medical condition in the world."

The September 2009 issue of The American Journal of Medicine (Volume 122, Issue 9) has an extensive review of the research on the benefits of vitamin D and points to fascinating 'life extension' potential. The Journal notes that all cause mortality is decreased by at least 7% in a meta-analysis of 18 randomized trials of vitamin D supplementation. Additional ecological and observational studies suggest that low vitamin D status could be associated with higher mortality from life-threatening conditions including cancer, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. The research suggests that up to 85% of Americans could be deficient in vitamin D without knowing it and thus seriously compromising their immune systems... silently!

John23
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What is amazing, is that the body converts sunlight into vitamin D,
and the daily needed requirement is had , by exposing the skin
(like an arm) to the unobstructed sun's rays for as little as
15 minutes a day.

There is no "supplement" that can do what the body can do, since
the process of converting the sun's energy into vitamin D is a complex
method that involves biological and chemical reactions that the body
needs for it's survival.

The more we try to fool Mom Nature, the worse she treats us.

It's been noted a long, long time ago, that the less an organ is
used, the less it will be able to do it's job well. Taking supplements
to correct what should be done normally, will eventually result
with an inability for it to be done normally.

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dianetavegia
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As little as 15 mins per day on

75% of the skin surface AND as we age, our bodies no longer convert sunlight to Vit D3 as efficiently. Also, a person with dark skin, such as an African American, has even more trouble converting sunlight to D3.

I live in Georgia. 9 months out of the year, I am outside most of the day. I read on my deck. I work in the yard. I sunbathe. We eat meals on our deck. My Vit D3 level was 19 last summer.

John23
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Re:
As little as 15 mins per day on 75% of the skin surface

"How can I get enough vitamin D?

Vitamin D has been referred to as "the sunshine vitamin." Your body can make vitamin D from casual sun exposure of short duration (as little as 5 to 15 minutes of sunshine per day, two to three times per week on the face and hands). Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin that is stored in your body fat. In general, adults and children living in New York State can get enough casual sun exposure from March to October to store a significant amount of vitamin D. It will later be released for the body's use during the winter months. However, the use of sunscreen and/or sun-protective clothing, cloudy northern climate, and window glass block your body's ability to make vitamin D from sun exposure. It is important to know that your body is not able to overdose on vitamin D from the sun, but your skin can suffer damaging effects from too much sun. Therefore, to prevent sunburn and reduce the risk of skin cancer, it is important to limit sun exposure to brief periods (5 to 15 minutes) and then apply sunscreeen (SPF of 15 or higher)."

Credit: NYS Department of Health

You're correct that us older foks require more, but the reasons for
that need are varied. I personally detest supplements made from
laboratory formulated substances, and strongly prefer the natural
ways that are more coherent to our body's workings...

But hey.... just sayin'...

(loveya' anyway!)

John

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If you are living in an area that has long winter climates it can complicate this issue. Add to that being on oxaliplatin and not being able to tolerate anything exposed in the cold.

I agree with you in many cases, but I am taking D3 now, and started it a couple weeks before chemo. I knew that I wasn't going to get my usual doses of Caribbean sun through this winter.

If you use sunblock, you don't get the D benefits. So people need to be aware that we NEED sun, and while sunblock is a good thing for intense or long exposures, you shouldn't use it all the time. Try getting out in the sun early in the morning, or later in the day when it isn't at peak intensity - kill two birds with one stone - walk or garden for exercise, and get some sun! Use sunblock for long exposures or during peak times - especially if you travel somewhere closer to the equator than where you live, because you won't be used to it.

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kimby
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I am a diehard sunseeker with low vitamin D. I've had low vit D since originally tested about 7 yrs ago with my first cancer. I supplement at a level that would shock all of you because of my malabsorbtion. I malabsorb fat and vitamins ADE & K are all fat soluable. I cannot overdose on these vitamins and have trouble keeping them even at low normal levels.

I have since been diagnosed with many odd and unusual diseases, plus fibromyalgia and stage iv colon cancer. I believe (and so do my doctors) that there is a direct link. Vitamin D is also vital to calcium absorbtion and my father had a very bad case of osteoperosis at a young age. I worry about that, too. sigh....If only we had known this sooner. My kids have much better info.

Outwit. Outplay. Outlast.

Kimby

coloCan
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chances of getting colorectal cancer , quoted from Cure today.com, dated 1/27:

"((New York, Reuters Health):Higher levels of vitamin D in the blood may help protect both men and women from, cancers of the colon and rectum, confirm results of the largest study ever conducted on the topic".

Other news outlets also mentioned various studies concerning vitamin D and cancer around that time too... But always ask onc first before taking any supplements as you don't want anything to interfere with or decrease effects of chemo or help the cancer,etc......STeve

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Nana b
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The anti cancer book recommends that you take vitamin D3. It also stated that all elderly people in Alaska are on vitamin D3 year round and others are recommended to take it in the winter months.

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nudgie
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There are many studies concerning this research and colon cancer. I have always taken vitamins and added a vitamin D supplement many years ago, but also changed when I take my vitamins and I have seen and felt a difference since changing the time frames. I also had my vitmain D levels checked at my last yrly phyiscal (July 09) and all was good.

For informational purposes, I take the following:

Womens One-A-Day multi-vitman with calcium - AM
Lipitor (prescription) - AM

Previcad for GI issues - 30 minutes after above (am)

Caltrate D (calcium with vitamin D) - PM
Folic Acid - PM

I have also added a protein shake 3 to 4 times a week. I drink this after my weight training sessions. I have also noticed a difference (lost some weight).

lcarper2
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I was told not to take it because there is a study going on now that is saying it may cause or help cc along and I don't want it again...so I quit

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lisa42
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Yup, vitamin D has now been associated with so many things- fighting off viruses, bone health, heart health, and even colon cancer. I've been supplementing my vitamin D for close to a year now, after requesting the my vit. D level get tested. I found that my vit. D level was only at 13 & at that time anything 32 or less was considered vitamin D deficient. Literally within 3 weeks of starting on the spray vitamin D, my level went up to 32. Two months after that it was at 50. I believe they have even upped the minimum amount, I think to 50. When I first started taking supplements and was retested again a couple of months later, I went only from 13 to 15. I wondered if I was having an issue with the pills not being absorbed. I did some research on sublingual and spray nanoparticle vitamins to learn that the body absorbs things much easier that way instead of from the stomach/small intestine.
I now take my multivitamin and a separate vitamin D through "spray" vitamins.
There are a few options available when you search for them. I noticed that some of the different spray vitamin D's needed 8 sprays to get the full dose and others needed just 6. I settled on getting a spray vitamin D from the www.mercola.com website. It was a bit less and needed 6 sorays. You can always take less than that and make it last longer, as the recommended dose with the 6 sprays is a pretty high dose.
The brand of the spray multivitamin I use Lumina Healthcare. It does cost about $30 per month (per bottle), which is pricier than most multivitamin tablets, but I figure that most people's bodies only absorb about a third of the pill, vs. all of the spray form, so that makes it a much better deal with better results (which is what's important!).
Lumina Health doesn't sell their vitamins themselves online- I've gotten them through both amazon.com and also through Swanson vitamins. On the Swanson website, it's harder to navigate if you look under their vitamin category. Instead, enter Lumina spray multivitamin in their search window & then it will come up on the screen.

Good luck!
Lisa

maragib
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There is a great Vitamin D3 emulsion made from Biotics. It is called Bio-D-Mulsion Forte. it is 2000 iu in one droplet. Tastes a little bit milky/chalky but not too bad. Our whole family gets a drop at dinner every night. Mara

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emrose
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My husbands herbalist gave him this brand liquid vit d supplement. It doesn't say D3 though. Just says vitamin D. Mara, do you know for sure it's D3? What's the difference? Also, he makes a smoothie every morning with all sorts of supplements, including the vit d drops. Originally it called for 3 drops, but his blood tests revealed that he is very defficient so he is now telling him to put 10 drops per smoothie! Does that seem excessive? It's 2000 IU per drop. This herbalist is famous for his work with cancer patients and is an expert on this kinda stuff. Totally trust him, but curious what you all think.

Thanks!

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maryjane
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You are really great at researching all these pearls of information. I thought I took that prize but you far outdo me. I'm going for my physical tomorrow and will as Dr about Vit D shots. Presently I'm on 2,000 mg of Vit D 3 which I heard was the most effective. Wish I lived back in Arizona--I'm now back in the Pacific NW and we see a few rays now and then--yesterday was gorgous. But--I've been Vit D deficient for quite a while. Thanks again for all your probing.
maryjane

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lisa42
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Since I posted last time, I reread the other replies and noted lcarpers comment on folic acid linked with possible tumor growth. Yikes! I certainly don't need that when I'm trying to shrink my tumors! I checked the label on my spray multivitamin- sure enough, there's 400 mcg of folic acid in it, which I think is standard in multivitamins.
I just read a post on The Colon Club about folic acid in multivitamins (I've never posted there but I read it sometimes). Anyhow, a woman was checking out the labels in all the stores on multivitamins and found they all have folic acid- some the 400 mcg and some even more, but she was able to find one kids version that didn't- Flintstones Gummies (the blue kind). HOWEVER- she warns that when reading labels on them, so have the folic acid and some don't. She called the manufacturer and was told that the newer formula since January no longer includes the folic acid. When she said she still saw some of their bottles that do, their response was that there are probably some of the older bottles leftover, so you need to read the label carefully to see whether that specific bottle has the folic acid in it or not. OK- I'm going to go to the store and check out the Flintstone gummies for myself now! (Thanks to info from Jaynee on the The Colon Club)

Lisa

Lisa

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imagineit2010
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I also read alot about folic acid and avoid it in everything. I buy individual vitamin bottles , no multi-vitamins. It's more expensive but you know exactly what you're getting. Buyer BE-WARE...

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dianetavegia
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the 400mg which is in almost all vitamins.

If you're eating a natural diet, you'll get FOLATE (Folic Acid in it's natural form which is GOOD for cc patients). I don't eat processed or enriched foods.

Vit D and Cancer YOUTUBE video 39 mins. long

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