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So I admit that my breast cancer center spoils us with facials, mani/pedi, acupuncture and free massages. I get how nice that is. HOWEVER, in Florida we do not have legal access to medicinal marijuana. I would trade all the facials in the world for a known cure to those horrible body aches and nausea. Especially since having marijuana, when you are on chemo, does not make you high, it just takes away the pain and nausea. Who wouldn't want that?!

So, I am extremely jealous of all you girls in states where this is legal. I'm going to write to my state legislature because they won't let the bill out of committee. Can those of you with experience in this department give me some ideas to help fuel the fire! Thanks - Pitt

Jealous of all those California girls!

Pitt

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???????? I will ask .. on Tuesday, 9/20. I'll let you all know the outcome ..

VickiSam

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But I still probably would not take medical marijuana.

Even though the state won't prosecute you, it's still against our company policy (as well as federal law), and our company does post-accident drug testing. If I'm somehow involved in an accident at work I would be tested and I'd hate to lose my job of almost 20 years because of testing positive.

If my job wasn't a factor, I'd be all over it!!

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Cindy, legally if you had a legal perscription for medicinal marijuana, your company could not hold that against you anymore than any other prescribed drug they might find in your system. But if you're not a casual partaker of the weed anyway, you probably wouldn't bother. My girlfriends brought me a bag before I started chemo(no, it's not legal in Tennessee) but they ended up smoking it more than me, as I don't normally indulge and I'd just forget about it til they came to visit.So legal or not legal, if you feel like sitting out on the back porch with your doobie....I doubt that anyone is going to arrest you for it....

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Here in Los Angeles, I'm starting to see new medical marijuana places sprouting up (pun intended :-) on every corner.

There's one with an enormous neon sign called "The Grasshopper" just down the street from my minister's house, and she spent all of my chemo trying to convince me that she needed to go there for "research" for me! :-)

With my asthma, I would probably end up in the ER if I tried to smoke a joint, so I stuck with pills during chemo. Liz, are you still having problems with nausea? I know there are several different anti-nausea drugs your doctor can try -- have you asked for a different prescription? And is the Claritin not working for the Neulasta pain?

I hate to hear that you're suffering, and I really hope that your doctor can find the right cocktail to help you through this. If all else fails...especially since I wasn't willing to let her do it for me, I'm sure Rev. Anne would be glad to do "research" for you!

:-) Traci

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I Wish they gave me marijuana. I never directly asked, every time when I complained I got more steroids and benedrill.
Living in Los Angeles does not automatically give you a chance to try. Probably requires persistence.
I definitely needed it after 4 cycle.
Good luck

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Since using pot still violates federal law, companies can still have policies prohibiting employees from using marijuana even if they're in a state that allows you to use it. All it really means is that no state authority can arrest me. Federal authorities still can.

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Pot is still against the Federal law, so, you can still be prosecuted for using it, growing it or buying it, even in CA. Also, why would you want to put that smoke in your lungs and chance lung cancer?

Debby

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You do not smoke medical marijuana.  It comes in pill or oil form.  Smoking or even heating it takes away the medicinal qualities, in fact it is not even the same strain of plant that them hippies and stoners like... it does not have the same effect at all.   Please do some research,  a lot of people have been given a new lease of life by using this amazing healing plant that has been used for hundreds of years.  J xx  ( a NON POT SMOKER)  p.s.  Google 'Run From The Cure'.

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I didn't have to have chemo BUT I if I did I would have 2 reasons for using it..I also have glacoma... I did ask my Glacoma Doc about it on my last visit...He said that in Glacoma patients it helps lower the eye pressure.. and If I wasn't on 3 different drugs my eye would pop from the pressure.. gross to think about but true.. And he doesn't prescribe Marijuana... DARN... He's too afraid of it casuing lung cancer...

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I'm surprised to read about marijuana causing lung cancer! Someone told me they did research on it and marijuana is actually good for your lungs as well. It makes sense as I don't believe there are any carcinogens in it that could cause cancer. But what do I know... it feels like I'm learning something new every day!

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Marijuana can cause lung cancer. So, I would think that would defer bc survivors from using it unless it would be absolutely necessary. You fought one cancer, why get another? And, it is against the Federal law. And, I have seen stories where they will prosecute since it is illegal. And, why risk losing your job if you work? I hope noone here really needs to use it and takes any of those risks.

Sue :)

This was on one of the websites for cancer information:

How does marijuana affect the lungs?
Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer. In addition, many marijuana users also smoke cigarettes; the combined effects of smoking these two substances creates an increased health risk.

Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

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What about "Pot Brownies"? Then you not only take care of the medicinal effect, but the munchies too!! It does make the whole house stink when you are baking them though (whoops, did I say that out loud?) Teehee....Pammy

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It is against the Federal law and an employer could fire you for using marijuana, so, I don't know if that would be worth the risk. I would hope there is some other alternative for you to use.

Debby

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So this is interesting. Today the Obama administration is issuing a DOJ memo stating that the federal prosecutors will no longer pursue users of marijuana for medicinal purposes. I say it is interesting because the federal government actually holds the patent to medicinal marijuana, so I expect we will be seeing some changes here shortly.

As to the treatments for medicinal marijuana, it has shown efficacy in treating asthma, suppressing lung cancer tumors and breast cancer as well. It relieves the user of nausea, muscle and bone pain, headaches, etc. There are several ways to take it, including pill form, liquid, etc.

I would never recommend casual use of any drug; although we as a society do condone alcohol and tobacco which are addictive, whereas marijuana is not. Also, when used in combination with chemo, there is no issue with getting "high." You don't. It simply relieves the user of the pain. Seems like a nice choice to me.

As I said, I will not be using this approach as it is still illegal in my state; but there are 14 states out there where this is an option. Good luck to those of you who can and do. (Check what your employers' rules are regarding this.) I would appreciate a report back as to your experience (though perhaps you should email me privately!)

Again, jealous in Florida,
Pitt

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If it does, and assuming I'd need it, I'd be all over those brownies! ;-)

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I wondered if you'd have to eat it to releave nausea. How would smoking it help the stomach?

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know,Pammy! You just gave yourself up!!lol And when you've had a few you put that frog hat on yourself,don't you?HAha!!

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I dunno what to tell you~ I am indeed a California girl, but ( would you believe it?) am actually allergic to marijuana? I can't stand to be anywhere around it~ even the smell makes me sicker than chemo ever could! If they were giving it away for free I wouldn't take it! LOL

On the other hand, my chemo never did make me nauseous, either~ so I guess I lucked out!

Without endorsing "criminal behaviour", I imagine this ahem-"medicine" is available anyway no matter where you live! LOL

By the time you write to your legislature and get action, I dare say you will have long finished chemotherapy!

My cancer center also had no perks...though I live in a beautiful, ritzy, and much desired part of California, ( santa barbara) I was simply in a treatment room by myself with a blanket on my lap and a TV!

Hope you find some relief~ I know our Drs don't want us to suffer; be sure you ask for meds to help you cope~ and drink plenty of water all day long!

Hugs,
Chen♥

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Well I have been waiting to see this and the only laws I see being broken is what the average American,taxpaying , hard working ,devoted wife/mother is being charged for health care. I mean come on now , stop the oppression of so many family's who just can't afford it and perhaps them & their children could get quality health care that they deserve. Where is it justifiable for what some of these prescriptions cost and what's charged for them out of pocket ? Could anyone imagine not having health insurance during these times and being told .....sorry no pay , no treatment ? Alright , I'm done with my rant now but this is a touchy subject with me after taking care of granny for 5 years and looking at the stunts that are pulled on the elderly. This is a touchy subject with some and I'm not promoting that it be put on the shelves of every Seven Eleven for it to be distributed freely to children but if it can legitimately give relief to pain and suffering then what's the problem ? I hope I'm never going to have to go through cancer but I would like to have options with my treatment where I had the final say .

P.S. If the brownies don't work then try short bread cookies or make a tincture

Best Wishes

Steve & Teresa

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Pammy

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Pammy , A tincture is simply a given amount of spirits (alcohol) generally 100 proof or stronger and it is made with herbs of your choice at a 50-50 or 60-40 ratio that would be combined in a mason jar and left for a couple of weeks , being shaken 1-2 times daily then filtered through cheese cloth , mesh strainer or similar. Then the contents of the strained material would be put into a dropper bottle (available at local pharmacy) and the drops would be applied under the tongue or added to a tea or juice.

Best Wishes

Steve & Teresa

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Pammy , A tincture is simply a given amount of spirits (alcohol) generally 100 proof or stronger and it is made with herbs of your choice at a 50-50 or 60-40 ratio that would be combined in a mason jar and left for a couple of weeks , being shaken 1-2 times daily then filtered through cheese cloth , mesh strainer or similar. Then the contents of the strained material would be put into a dropper bottle (available at local pharmacy) and the drops would be applied under the tongue or added to a tea or juice.

Best Wishes

Steve & Teresa

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Wow, learn something new everyday.

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thanks for opening up this discussion! I tell you, do not be jealous of us California Girls because of the MJ, I wish I had a center that did facials, mani/pedi, accupuncture & massages! Now that sounds like good old fashioned relief!
Medical marijuana is available here, but it does take time and money to be able to access it, so you would be finished with your chemo by the time you got your "prescription". Also, if it does cause cancer or any other health issues, it would be for someone with long term use of the stuff, not the small amount of time you use it during chemo. And yes, I tried it, having to go the "find a friend of a friend" route, and yes, it helps considerably with the nausea, so much so that it is recommended on some of the Cancer websites.
There was an annoucement today for the Feds to lay off the legal facilities here, but there is also the unfortunate side effect of people taking advantage of the laws to grow for profit.
I say do what needs to be done to help in any way to relieve some of the chemo side effects and do not let anyone make you feel bad if you did.
Cat

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I have to say that I reread all of the responses and found this discussion to be really interesting. I love your information. Thanks for that. I think it is interesting that the US govt holds the patent on medicinal marijuana. It does come in a pill form, and as I said before does not cause a person to become high. My friend's mom had a brain tumor and she used mm to help relieve her nausea so that she could eat. She was able to hold on for 10 years!!! My mom is currently in hospice in VA and can't keep any foods/liquids down so i wish it were legal there so she could try it.

My meds are working fine for me...I'm just dreading the bone aches that will happen this weekend from the Neulasta shot. If it were legal here, darn straight I would try it. But I could never buy from a dealer on a street corner. Nope, I need a legitimate store with some good old-fashioned FDA regulations in place before I'll put it in my body. Funny thing is, from the street corner is probably a lot more natural and safer than these designer drugs I'm using now. Now that's irony for you. Thanks gals for keeping this light and entertaining. I needed a laugh this week and this was a great distraction. Love ya, Pitt

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My onc actually said to me...he can't advise it, and would advise me to use ongoing steriods instead....i think not. I have been upfront with ALL of my doctors, surgeons, GP, therapist, etc., that i am using it so in case they need to know for any meds they are giving me, or in case it may interfere with surgery.
My parents are ultra consertive christians, father is actually a retired minister. They came and stayed with with me for the first five weeks of chemo since i live alone. And there we were in the kitchen, mom helping me chop up the marajuana, and dad on the computer figuring out the ratio to alcohol to marajuana. I stopped for a moment and said to them...never in my life did i think the three of us would be in my kitchen doing this together! we had a good laugh. I, too, made the tincture...151, and chopped up buds. I kept it in the dark dropper bottle, actually used a little sample bottle of jack daniels i bought at a liquor store since it needs to be kept in a dark bottle. A few drops under my tongue brought quick relief to my pain that nothing else seemed to touch.
I am a huge advocate...and speak it loud and clear.
Thank you Obama....one step closer!

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Now that the use of medical marijuana has been DEcriminalized by the federal government, I too will apply for my medical marijuana card and begin using this NATURAL medicine for my cancer symptoms. I will be using the Silver Surfer Vaporizor, which only HEATS and does not BURN the marijuana, which releases the THC compound. This produces NO smoke, and NO carcinogens because nothing BURNS. Not ALL marijuana produces a "buzz"...and medical marijuana is specifically engineered to relieve symptoms of nausea, chronic pain, lack of appetite, anxiety and sleep disturbances. It can be smoked, vaporized, infused into foods, or infused with alcohol to produce tinctures. My oncologists happily throws handsful of narcotics at me, (He prescribes 120-240 Vicodin to me monthly!!!) but refuses to approve me for medical marijuana because there is NO PROFIT for the BIG DRUG COMPANIES. To any of you who have a moral issue with someone using a natural remedy (that YOUR God created)...all I can say is BITE ME! I join j916 as an advocate!

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Your doctor doesn't have to clear you to get your license for the medical marijuana....you just take your paperwork with you to the place to get the license, and it is given to you there. Quite honestly, i think i was the only legitimate one there to get a license....but i didn't care. Oh, and also, when you go to purchase it at the special dispensary, make sure you tell them it's for chemo/cancer. When i did, they brought some out from the back that was especially helpful for our symptoms.
i NEVER got a buzz from it...just relief.

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Why would anyone consider this a crime??? if it helps, use it. I guess I never asked but I should have, I used it when needed, and it helped much!

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Back in 1987 when I was first diagnosed and on chem, I tried marijuana in desperation. However, it did not work worth crap for me. I couldn't function and I was still vomiting. What really helped me was to take reglan every single day that I was on chemo. The nurses told me to do that--not my doc. Worked for me!

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CypressCynthia, I have sent you a PM regarding the use of Reglan. Hope you get the information I sent, and will be careful on recommending Reglan to anyone, especially those "older female" types. You are right, it did work to prevent nausea, but the neurological conseuqences for some users is an issue I would hate to see anyone have to combat. Now, I haven't tried marijuana, so don't know how that would work. Thanks for listening. Hugs.

Judy

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I am so sorry that you had such awful problems. I did say 1987 so that readers would know my advice is 20+ years old. First law of pharmacology is that every drug has an adverse effect. However, I agree that permanent tardive dyskinesia is not an acceptable risk. Good luck to you.

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Would it work to put regular mj in brownies or in a tea?

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Bumping up a previous Marijuana thread

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Thanks, Chen

Cindy

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you need to be careful with marijuana use. While it does take way the pain it can inhibit your immune system. It is not always the best thing to use. I live in California, can get a medical marijuana card if I want but will definitely not use it during chemo.

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I've had the question come up a couple of times already this week - would I try to use pot when I have chemo if i have nausea and related side effects. I used to, ahem, partake, in my high school days. I was a card carrying member of the parking lot Grateful Dead, peace-loving, born a decade too late hippie crowd. I started getting panic attacks & anxiety- issues & quit, about 15 years ago or so. I am also a former cigarette smoker, I'm sitting here right now with a nicotine patch on my butt. I quit smoking when we started to get pregnant with my baby Lia (19months) but started indulging (cigarettes, not pot) after I was done breast feeding her, usually when I'd have drinks with friends. I was able to cut it down to only 2 or 3 a day, and thought the patch would help me get over that hump. What I meant to get to before I sidelined myself, is that I am abo****ely open to trying it, but being a former smoker & now wanting to get in the habit of inhaling ANY kind of smoke, I would just have some goodies like brownies made. I have a relative in CA who has a prescription for chronic pain and he actually never gets the actual pot, mostly gets brownies. I do believe, though, that it was the pot coffee cake from a few weeks ago, that knocked him on his butt :)
And i think there was an earlier question about just putting regular pot into brownies or tea, I don't know about tea, but most that I've heard of actually make a kind of "pot butter" with it that they use in baking, brownies, even chocolate chip cookies (that actually have a greenish tint to them).
I say whatever works for you, and me personally, I hate throwing up more than just about anything else in the world, I'd probably eat dirt if it was proven to prevent vomiting.
-Heather

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Tried it but, medically, it just didn't work worth crap for me. Vomited like crazy and felt woozy and head-achy. Did much, much better on prescription meds and without those meds I wouldn't have made it.

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was brought up and I am happy to say that .. I did have RX slip to go out and purchase medical 'mary jane' .. however, with 2 teen agers at home .. my choice was not to fill my prescription. This was my decision - reqrets ? No.

Also, please note that I too am an XXXX smoker .. Stopped smoking a few weeks after being diagnosised.

Do what is right for YOU, and your situation.

Best of Luck!

Vicki :D

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Can't believe I am reading this after all these years. I was just at Pain Specialist and they certainly have learned a lot about THC in that last 8 years. She knows more than I do for sure and is now an accepted medicine in cancer field. The only thing they can find the matter with smoking pot is the tobacco products people put with them. Oh and right the people who smoke cigs and pot don't fair as well. Often try to blame pot for their coughs but in fact due to tobacco.
There are two kinds of pills out but they are THC alone and there is a spray now that is the complete component of the plant and works better than pills. 14 years ago my doctor would not admit there was a THC pill back then because she knew we would be wasting our money. The spray costs about a dollar a spray in Canada and can only be perscribed for cancer patients having chemo or have MS, that is in Canada.
Funny how you put the Prince of Pot or the Seed man in jail and now you too are loosening your laws for medicinal purposes. Mark Emery sold the seeds not the dope...
Tara

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Well, this is very interesting. When I was first diagnosed I remember having a fleeting thought about mj, but at that point I didn't know I would need to have chemo. Now I know I will be starting chemo mid July. Have any of you who had a conversation with your oncologist about this topic received any encouragement to try it? I am in California - since there are many medical marijuana shops, someone must be giving some patients a thumbs up. (As an aside, I was a child of the '60s, but now I'm in my 60's!).

Suzanne

mustangjan
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The salves and balms are amazingly effective (and absolutely don't get you high)  Really help for sore joints.

I put it on my knees during chemo (after the nuelasta shots) and took the pain away within 10 seconds.  Relief only lasts about an hour, though, but usually long enough to get to sleep.  Also tried the high CBD chocolates during chemo and never had nausea, never vomited once.  They also will not get you high -- just avoid the high THC types, which is what the recreational users are after.   I wish everybody would lose their biases and try this -- to me it's much better alternative then narcotic pain killers like vicodin, etc.    Just my $.02.

 

 

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Mustangjan:  I wish I would have known about the salves...the Neulasta was awful.  I felt like I had someone stabbing me in my bones constantly.  I took Norco, but could only do so at night.  Not happy taking a narcotic.

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They do an rx the doc can give you its called Marinol (spelling). It is very expensive though and I think its suppose to be similar I think. I know a "friend" gave me some marijuana "candies" when going through chemo and I only ate a tiny bite a night but it did help me sleep and helped the nausea. I live in a state where it  will probably never be legal. So, if anyone is reading this wants to give me crap about using that stuff its ok.. I had cancer and I was to busy kicking cancer a** to worry about (lol, just joking all). Keep smiling all we can get through this.

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