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hansie
hansie Member Posts: 37
edited March 2014 in Caregivers #1
a little background to get started...i live with my wife barb,our two kids and two dogs in a small 3 br ranch.Barb was diagnossed in nov 07 with sclc,and at that time her mother came to stay with us.Her mom does not like dogs,and during this visit mother in law complained about dogs constantly.Barb told her mom "you can go before they(dogs)do".Fastforward to this week...barbs cancer has progressed,she is no longer able to recive treatments,and has ben sent home on hospice.Mother in law came back to help,along with her dislike of dogs.Barb has no fight left,for cancer or her mom.Mother in law now wants us to get rid of the dogs,she says they re too much.My kids are against this,i am appalled that a "outsider"of my family would make such demands,expessialy on two wonderful animals who never leave barbs side,night or day.I see no reason(cleanlieness,strangers in house,equipment,etc)that warrents such a drastic change in my families structure.I also do not feel that the kids and i would look back on this desision happily after barbs passing.We love our dogs,and the dog hugs are irreplaceable.Given the situation does anyone here feel i am being out of line insisting that my dogs stay in their house?

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  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
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    NO.
    Let me say it again: No.

    Dogs are known to be GOOD for cancer patients (as well as other patients, I should add, and for those in nursing homes as well).

    When I was in chemotherapy (both times) while waiting, invariably someone would come in with a dog on a leash to meet and greet the folks sitting and waiting for their treatments, latest results, etc. These were, by the way, retrievers and shepherds, smart dogs, to be sure, but also dogs of the hairier variety (I have two golden retrievers, so I know about the hair...and am also a lung cancer survivor who had a lobectomy, so would probably also know a bit about the effect of the hair shedding on my ability to breathe).

    Dogs, as you indicate, have a positive effect on all involved.

    Keep the dogs.

    Now, if you have a cat... :)

    Best wishes to wife and her family...including the dogs.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • newbride
    newbride Member Posts: 142
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    NO!
    Dogs stay period!! You have way too much going on to lose more family members. Your mother in law needs to understand these dogs have been a part of Barb's life and will be in her last days -- the dogs need her as much as she needs them!!
  • SonSon
    SonSon Member Posts: 174
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    Purpose of presence
    Her mother did not come to change her (and your) life, but to be there when life changed. At least this would be expected.
    If mother is convinced that she can change the outcome by changing her (and your) life, then she needs to be given a reality check.
    Remind her that the best thing for your wife would be to have her mother be present, loving, supportive and to help make the end of her life lovely.
    If she feels that she cannot do that, perhaps she needs to stay at a motel and visit for short periods of time.
    It is not her home or her family.
  • Hestia
    Hestia Member Posts: 26
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    NO NO NO NEVER
    The dogs are members of the family, if your mother-in-law did not like kids would your children have to leave? Never, ever let those dogs go, your wife would know and worry horribly about them. OOPS, I am getting carried away, it is, of course, your decision.

    I have a 17 year old Jack Russell that means more to me than some people mean to me. He is always there for me.

    How would your children accept the loss of the dogs with their mother being so very ill? Your mother-in-law knew the dogs were there when she came. She goes - dogs stay. My vote, harsh as it may seem.

    Take care of yourself as best you can while dealing with wife's cancer, children's needs, mother-in-law and dogs. Thoughts and prayers with you.
    jacky
  • lawslegal
    lawslegal Member Posts: 38
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    No, don't get rid of your dogs
    That is crazy. Dogs are part of the family. Actually, my yorkie saved my son's life 5 years ago. Do what is right for your family!!!
  • terato
    terato Member Posts: 375
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    "Psychiatric service dogs" render a compassionate service!
    hansie,

    The psychiatric professional community values the contributions that dogs serve to augment therapy for patients. Please check the following site for validation: http://www.psychdog.org/. Even if your dogs have not received service dog training, their function as family members pretty much accomplishes the same thing. Removing the dogs, especially at this time, would be cruel to everyone involved, but "Mom-in-law".

    "In-laws are luxuries best enjoyed at a distance, and the greater the distance, the greater the luxury." (My original quote following my divorce)

    Love and Courage!

    Rick
  • CanadaSue
    CanadaSue Member Posts: 339 Member
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    No way!
    When my husband was dx'ed with 1V colon cancer, I decided Bill needed a dog to keep him company.... Our dog Scooter has become a part of our family, and NO ONE would or should come into OUR home and tell us that she has to go. Whomever was brave enough to even go there, would be shown the door.

    I am sure that your wife gets great comfort from having her dogs by her side!

    Show the mother-in-law the door if she feels so strongly.

    Hugs,

    Sue
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
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    Re:
    "barbs cancer has progressed,she is no longer able to receive treatments,
    and has ben sent home on hospice."


    Before all hope is abandoned, please Google "Syracuse Cancer Research Institute"
    and read carefully about Hydrazine Sulfate. They are a non-profit and do not sell
    anything, nor receive a commission for any sales from any company.

    This chemical is sold freely in Canada, and can be purchased here in the states
    at several places.

    Please do not give up hope. Keep the dogs; get rid of mom-in-law,
    and do your best 1/2 a favor and look into the above Asap..

    John
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
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    John23 said:

    Re:
    "barbs cancer has progressed,she is no longer able to receive treatments,
    and has ben sent home on hospice."


    Before all hope is abandoned, please Google "Syracuse Cancer Research Institute"
    and read carefully about Hydrazine Sulfate. They are a non-profit and do not sell
    anything, nor receive a commission for any sales from any company.

    This chemical is sold freely in Canada, and can be purchased here in the states
    at several places.

    Please do not give up hope. Keep the dogs; get rid of mom-in-law,
    and do your best 1/2 a favor and look into the above Asap..

    John

    Agenda?
    I took the liberty of looking up this hydrazine sulfate as it relates to cancer. I did not, however, go to the site you recommended, John, but to the National Cancer Institute. Here is what they have to say, for what it is worth:

    [Beginning of Quote]
    What is hydrazine sulfate?
    Hydrazine sulfate is a compound that has been studied as a treatment for cancer and for cancer-related anorexia (loss of appetite) and cachexia (loss of muscle mass and body weight).

    What is the history of the discovery and use of hydrazine sulfate as a complementary or alternative treatment for cancer?
    It has been known since the early 1900s that hydrazine compounds are toxic to animals and to humans. More than 400 hydrazine-related compounds have been tested for their ability to kill cancer cells. One of these compounds, procarbazine, has been used to treat Hodgkin disease, melanoma, and lung cancer since the 1960s.

    In view of procarbazine’s anticancer activity, hydrazine sulfate (a compound similar to procarbazine) was studied for its effectiveness in fighting cancer beginning in the 1970s. Studies of hydrazine sulfate as a treatment for cancer-related cachexia also began during this time.

    Hydrazine compounds have also been used to make rocket fuel, as herbicides (chemicals that kill plants), and as chemical agents in boiler and cooling-tower water systems. Many scientists consider hydrazine sulfate and other similar substances to be cancer-causing agents and are concerned about the safety of using these compounds.

    What is the theory behind the claim that hydrazine sulfate is useful in treating cancer?
    Two theories have been suggested to explain how hydrazine sulfate acts against cancer and cachexia:

    Hydrazine sulfate may prevent the body from making sugar that cancer cells need to grow. It has been suggested that cachexia occurs because the cancer is using too much of the body's sugar, preventing healthy cells from getting what they need to live. This causes tissues to die and muscle to waste away, and the patient loses weight.

    Hydrazine sulfate may block tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha). This is a substance made by the body’s white blood cells to fight infection and tissue damage. High levels of TNF-alpha have been found in cancer patients. These high levels of TNF-alpha may cause loss of appetite, tiredness, and the breakdown of muscle tissue. As muscle breaks down, it makes sugar that the cancer cells use to grow. Blocking the TNF-alpha might stop tumor growth and prevent cachexia.

    How is hydrazine sulfate administered?
    Hydrazine sulfate is taken by mouth in pills or capsules. There is no standard dose or length of treatment time.

    Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using hydrazine sulfate?
    Research in a laboratory or using animals is done to find out if a drug, procedure, or treatment is likely to be safe and useful in humans. These preclinical studies are done before any testing in humans is begun. The following has been learned from preclinical studies of hydrazine sulfate:

    In most studies with rats, mice, and hamsters, hydrazine sulfate caused an increase in lung, liver, and breast cancers.

    When used alone against certain types of cancer (including melanoma, leukemia, bladder, breast, and prostate), hydrazine sulfate slowed tumor growth in some animal studies and showed no effect in others. In cases where tumor growth was slowed the most, the animals lost large amounts of weight. This finding does not support the proposed use of hydrazine sulfate to treat cachexia caused by cancer.

    When hydrazine sulfate was combined with an anticancer drug, it seemed to improve the anticancer effects in rats and mice. When hydrazine sulfate was combined with an anticancer drug that affects the way cells use sugar, however, it helped in some studies and did not help in others.

    Preclinical studies by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) found that hydrazine sulfate showed no anticancer activity except in one type of cancer in rats. The NCI decided not to continue studying the compound as a treatment for cancer. Studies of hydrazine sulfate as a treatment for cancer-related anorexia and cachexia continued.

    For more information on the preclinical studies, see the PDQ health professional version of Hydrazine Sulfate.

    Have any clinical trials (research studies with people) of hydrazine sulfate been conducted?
    Clinical trials are a type of research study that tests how well new drugs or other treatments work in people. There have been many studies of hydrazine sulfate in patients with advanced cancer. Researchers looked at the following:

    Tumor response and/or survival among patients with various types of cancer.
    Changes in body weight.
    Quality of life.
    Changes in nutritional status and metabolism (chemical changes that take place in cells and make energy needed for life).
    Clinical trials of hydrazine sulfate have reported the following:

    In the mid 1970s, clinical trials by a drug company found that a small number of patients who were treated with hydrazine sulfate for advanced cancer reported having a better appetite, losing less weight, feeling stronger, or having less pain. In some patients, the tumor got smaller or did not grow, or there was improvement in a cancer-related symptom. These clinical trials do not prove that hydrazine sulfate is effective for advanced cancer, however, because of weaknesses in study design. There was no control group (a group of patients who did not receive hydrazine sulfate) and half of the patients in the trial could not be counted in the results for reasons that include missing information, short treatment times, and receiving other treatment along with the hydrazine sulfate.

    From the 1970s to the mid 1990s, Russian studies with hydrazine sulfate had mixed results. Little information was reported about the patients and their treatment and about the study design and methods. All of the patients in these studies also received standard treatment with surgery, chemotherapy, and/or radiation therapy. Therefore, it is not known if results were caused by hydrazine sulfate or one of the standard treatments, or both.

    Clinical studies funded by the NCI in the 1970s found that hydrazine sulfate did not cause tumors to shrink or go away. Some patients reported small improvements in appetite, pain, and weight, but they did not last. These studies did not include control groups.

    Four randomized controlled trials were done in the 1990s. A randomized trial is a study in which the patients are assigned by chance to separate groups to compare different treatments; neither the researchers nor the patients can choose which group. These trials compared hydrazine sulfate with a placebo (an inactive substance that looks like the treatment being tested). The results showed that hydrazine sulfate was not effective in treating cancer. In some cases, it was found to be harmful.
    In three of the trials, lung cancer patients received either hydrazine sulfate or a placebo, along with anticancer drugs. The patients who received hydrazine sulfate did not live longer or have their tumors shrink any more than the placebo group. In one of the studies, patients who took hydrazine sulfate showed better nutritional status than patients in the placebo group, although the increase in body weight was small. In another of the studies, patients who received hydrazine sulfate had a worse quality of life than patients who received the same anticancer drugs plus the placebo. [1]
    A fourth trial found that patients with colorectal cancer who received only hydrazine sulfate lived for a shorter time than patients who received only a placebo.

    Four other randomized controlled trials studied the effects of hydrazine sulfate on nutritional status and metabolism. The studies showed some benefit from hydrazine sulfate.
    In 2 of the studies[2], patients receiving hydrazine sulfate showed improvement in metabolism, appetite, and in either gaining weight or not losing weight.
    In the other 2 clinical trials[3], lung and colon cancer patients receiving hydrazine sulfate had less cancer-related muscle wasting.

    Have any side effects or risks been reported from hydrazine sulfate?
    In general, the reported side effects of hydrazine sulfate treatment have been mild to moderate. Most side effects are reported to end when treatment with hydrazine sulfate is stopped. Some animal studies, however, suggest that hydrazine sulfate may be highly toxic (harmful) when combined with either alcohol or barbiturates (drugs with sedative and hypnotic effects).

    Most of the side effects caused by hydrazine sulfate have involved the nervous system and gastrointestinal tract. These side effects include the following:

    Nausea and/or vomiting.
    Dizziness.
    Abnormal feelings in the arms and legs (such as burning or prickling).
    Nerve inflammation.
    Impaired fine motor function (such as trouble writing).
    Dry skin and/or itching.
    Being unable to sleep.
    Abnormally low blood sugar.
    One case of fatal liver and kidney failure and one case of severe injury to the brain have been linked to the use of hydrazine sulfate.

    Is hydrazine sulfate approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use as a cancer treatment in the United States?
    The FDA has not approved hydrazine sulfate for use as a cancer treatment in the United States.

    The FDA has approved the study of hydrazine sulfate in clinical trials. Information about ongoing clinical trials can be found on the NCI Web site.

    Hydrazine sulfate is sold in the United States as a dietary supplement, which is regulated as a food, not a drug. More information about dietary supplements can be found in the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine online fact sheet, Using Dietary Supplements Wisely.

    [End of Quote]

    It may very well be that this substance turns out to be the miracle cure you purport it to be, insistent as you are. This site, however, has a noble history of running off salesmen and charlatans, magicians and purveyors of false hope.

    Your message to the person who made this post, once you got beyond your pronouncement regarding this magic elixir, seemed to be of short shrift and with little thought to the consequences of your remarks: Keep the dogs, lose the mother-in-law. But DEFINITELY check out this magic potion!

    Or so it struck me, probably based on reading some of your other responses, all of them very recent, all of them insistent upon this wonderful drug that others, apparently, conspirators, no doubt, of the powerful pharmaceutical industry, seem to have doubts about.

    I would enjoy reading what those in any number of reputable sites have to say about this elixir, if you can provide them. I am open-minded. I did, after all, have a look at what some have to say about it.

    In the meantime, if your sole purpose here is to promote this 'medication', I would advise that you top post in that regard and then be done with it.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • train-nut
    train-nut Member Posts: 101
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    The Dog
    Some nice posts on this. To which I add: Your wife has clearly stated that she wants the bowser. Put on your long pants and tell your mother-in-law the dog stays, period. Time to remind her of the "pecking order". My best to you and yours, Rich
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
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    Agenda?
    I took the liberty of looking up this hydrazine sulfate as it relates to cancer. I did not, however, go to the site you recommended, John, but to the National Cancer Institute. Here is what they have to say, for what it is worth:

    [Beginning of Quote]
    What is hydrazine sulfate?
    Hydrazine sulfate is a compound that has been studied as a treatment for cancer and for cancer-related anorexia (loss of appetite) and cachexia (loss of muscle mass and body weight).

    What is the history of the discovery and use of hydrazine sulfate as a complementary or alternative treatment for cancer?
    It has been known since the early 1900s that hydrazine compounds are toxic to animals and to humans. More than 400 hydrazine-related compounds have been tested for their ability to kill cancer cells. One of these compounds, procarbazine, has been used to treat Hodgkin disease, melanoma, and lung cancer since the 1960s.

    In view of procarbazine’s anticancer activity, hydrazine sulfate (a compound similar to procarbazine) was studied for its effectiveness in fighting cancer beginning in the 1970s. Studies of hydrazine sulfate as a treatment for cancer-related cachexia also began during this time.

    Hydrazine compounds have also been used to make rocket fuel, as herbicides (chemicals that kill plants), and as chemical agents in boiler and cooling-tower water systems. Many scientists consider hydrazine sulfate and other similar substances to be cancer-causing agents and are concerned about the safety of using these compounds.

    What is the theory behind the claim that hydrazine sulfate is useful in treating cancer?
    Two theories have been suggested to explain how hydrazine sulfate acts against cancer and cachexia:

    Hydrazine sulfate may prevent the body from making sugar that cancer cells need to grow. It has been suggested that cachexia occurs because the cancer is using too much of the body's sugar, preventing healthy cells from getting what they need to live. This causes tissues to die and muscle to waste away, and the patient loses weight.

    Hydrazine sulfate may block tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha). This is a substance made by the body’s white blood cells to fight infection and tissue damage. High levels of TNF-alpha have been found in cancer patients. These high levels of TNF-alpha may cause loss of appetite, tiredness, and the breakdown of muscle tissue. As muscle breaks down, it makes sugar that the cancer cells use to grow. Blocking the TNF-alpha might stop tumor growth and prevent cachexia.

    How is hydrazine sulfate administered?
    Hydrazine sulfate is taken by mouth in pills or capsules. There is no standard dose or length of treatment time.

    Have any preclinical (laboratory or animal) studies been conducted using hydrazine sulfate?
    Research in a laboratory or using animals is done to find out if a drug, procedure, or treatment is likely to be safe and useful in humans. These preclinical studies are done before any testing in humans is begun. The following has been learned from preclinical studies of hydrazine sulfate:

    In most studies with rats, mice, and hamsters, hydrazine sulfate caused an increase in lung, liver, and breast cancers.

    When used alone against certain types of cancer (including melanoma, leukemia, bladder, breast, and prostate), hydrazine sulfate slowed tumor growth in some animal studies and showed no effect in others. In cases where tumor growth was slowed the most, the animals lost large amounts of weight. This finding does not support the proposed use of hydrazine sulfate to treat cachexia caused by cancer.

    When hydrazine sulfate was combined with an anticancer drug, it seemed to improve the anticancer effects in rats and mice. When hydrazine sulfate was combined with an anticancer drug that affects the way cells use sugar, however, it helped in some studies and did not help in others.

    Preclinical studies by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) found that hydrazine sulfate showed no anticancer activity except in one type of cancer in rats. The NCI decided not to continue studying the compound as a treatment for cancer. Studies of hydrazine sulfate as a treatment for cancer-related anorexia and cachexia continued.

    For more information on the preclinical studies, see the PDQ health professional version of Hydrazine Sulfate.

    Have any clinical trials (research studies with people) of hydrazine sulfate been conducted?
    Clinical trials are a type of research study that tests how well new drugs or other treatments work in people. There have been many studies of hydrazine sulfate in patients with advanced cancer. Researchers looked at the following:

    Tumor response and/or survival among patients with various types of cancer.
    Changes in body weight.
    Quality of life.
    Changes in nutritional status and metabolism (chemical changes that take place in cells and make energy needed for life).
    Clinical trials of hydrazine sulfate have reported the following:

    In the mid 1970s, clinical trials by a drug company found that a small number of patients who were treated with hydrazine sulfate for advanced cancer reported having a better appetite, losing less weight, feeling stronger, or having less pain. In some patients, the tumor got smaller or did not grow, or there was improvement in a cancer-related symptom. These clinical trials do not prove that hydrazine sulfate is effective for advanced cancer, however, because of weaknesses in study design. There was no control group (a group of patients who did not receive hydrazine sulfate) and half of the patients in the trial could not be counted in the results for reasons that include missing information, short treatment times, and receiving other treatment along with the hydrazine sulfate.

    From the 1970s to the mid 1990s, Russian studies with hydrazine sulfate had mixed results. Little information was reported about the patients and their treatment and about the study design and methods. All of the patients in these studies also received standard treatment with surgery, chemotherapy, and/or radiation therapy. Therefore, it is not known if results were caused by hydrazine sulfate or one of the standard treatments, or both.

    Clinical studies funded by the NCI in the 1970s found that hydrazine sulfate did not cause tumors to shrink or go away. Some patients reported small improvements in appetite, pain, and weight, but they did not last. These studies did not include control groups.

    Four randomized controlled trials were done in the 1990s. A randomized trial is a study in which the patients are assigned by chance to separate groups to compare different treatments; neither the researchers nor the patients can choose which group. These trials compared hydrazine sulfate with a placebo (an inactive substance that looks like the treatment being tested). The results showed that hydrazine sulfate was not effective in treating cancer. In some cases, it was found to be harmful.
    In three of the trials, lung cancer patients received either hydrazine sulfate or a placebo, along with anticancer drugs. The patients who received hydrazine sulfate did not live longer or have their tumors shrink any more than the placebo group. In one of the studies, patients who took hydrazine sulfate showed better nutritional status than patients in the placebo group, although the increase in body weight was small. In another of the studies, patients who received hydrazine sulfate had a worse quality of life than patients who received the same anticancer drugs plus the placebo. [1]
    A fourth trial found that patients with colorectal cancer who received only hydrazine sulfate lived for a shorter time than patients who received only a placebo.

    Four other randomized controlled trials studied the effects of hydrazine sulfate on nutritional status and metabolism. The studies showed some benefit from hydrazine sulfate.
    In 2 of the studies[2], patients receiving hydrazine sulfate showed improvement in metabolism, appetite, and in either gaining weight or not losing weight.
    In the other 2 clinical trials[3], lung and colon cancer patients receiving hydrazine sulfate had less cancer-related muscle wasting.

    Have any side effects or risks been reported from hydrazine sulfate?
    In general, the reported side effects of hydrazine sulfate treatment have been mild to moderate. Most side effects are reported to end when treatment with hydrazine sulfate is stopped. Some animal studies, however, suggest that hydrazine sulfate may be highly toxic (harmful) when combined with either alcohol or barbiturates (drugs with sedative and hypnotic effects).

    Most of the side effects caused by hydrazine sulfate have involved the nervous system and gastrointestinal tract. These side effects include the following:

    Nausea and/or vomiting.
    Dizziness.
    Abnormal feelings in the arms and legs (such as burning or prickling).
    Nerve inflammation.
    Impaired fine motor function (such as trouble writing).
    Dry skin and/or itching.
    Being unable to sleep.
    Abnormally low blood sugar.
    One case of fatal liver and kidney failure and one case of severe injury to the brain have been linked to the use of hydrazine sulfate.

    Is hydrazine sulfate approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use as a cancer treatment in the United States?
    The FDA has not approved hydrazine sulfate for use as a cancer treatment in the United States.

    The FDA has approved the study of hydrazine sulfate in clinical trials. Information about ongoing clinical trials can be found on the NCI Web site.

    Hydrazine sulfate is sold in the United States as a dietary supplement, which is regulated as a food, not a drug. More information about dietary supplements can be found in the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine online fact sheet, Using Dietary Supplements Wisely.

    [End of Quote]

    It may very well be that this substance turns out to be the miracle cure you purport it to be, insistent as you are. This site, however, has a noble history of running off salesmen and charlatans, magicians and purveyors of false hope.

    Your message to the person who made this post, once you got beyond your pronouncement regarding this magic elixir, seemed to be of short shrift and with little thought to the consequences of your remarks: Keep the dogs, lose the mother-in-law. But DEFINITELY check out this magic potion!

    Or so it struck me, probably based on reading some of your other responses, all of them very recent, all of them insistent upon this wonderful drug that others, apparently, conspirators, no doubt, of the powerful pharmaceutical industry, seem to have doubts about.

    I would enjoy reading what those in any number of reputable sites have to say about this elixir, if you can provide them. I am open-minded. I did, after all, have a look at what some have to say about it.

    In the meantime, if your sole purpose here is to promote this 'medication', I would advise that you top post in that regard and then be done with it.

    Take care,

    Joe

    Agenda? Indeed.
    Hardly an "agenda", Joe. There's no profit taking by myself, or
    that institute in Syracuse.

    Holding a blind-eye to the scope, won't get you anyplace at all in life.
    If you think for a moment, that the "cancer industry" is playing by the book,
    then it's unfortunate that you think that way.

    Do some research regarding "Trovax", and see how far they've come.
    Oh wait, they haven't moved.. The "more powerful" made them change
    the product to be used with standard Chemotherapy. Doing that,
    degrades it's efficiency and effectiveness; it's been "invested in",
    and remains lagging in the shadows, failing to "cure" what it was never
    intended to "cure". Dig and read, Joe, you just might get a great laugh.

    There other alternatives to western medicine, and some much more
    beneficial than pumping toxic, cancer causing, immune suppressing
    chemicals into the veins of a person fighting for their life.

    The website I pointed to, illustrates perfectly what the major profiteers
    do, to "get their way".

    Without reading in depth, and understanding the text, absolutely nothing
    can be gained from attempting to debate.

    By the way, I do not use chemicals or drugs of any type.

    I chose Traditional Chinese Medicine for my battle. If and when
    all else fails, I -will- turn to Hydrazine Sulfate.

    Incidentally Joe, they suggest only 1.5 months of Hydrazine Sulfate
    treatment; it is not taken longer than that. I bought two bottles of
    the chemical two years ago. I have it on hand, if and when I decide
    there is no other choice. Two bottles is enough for over two months.
    Each bottle was $30. Who exactly is getting rich with this chemical?

    The herbal mix I used, cost under $150 per month, for three doses
    per day. Gosh, some Chinese farmer must be making billions! And the
    cost really broke my bank! You know Joe, I spent more paying
    Blue Cross deductibles. Oh... and herbs aren't taken long-term,
    they are taken for short periods of time; not continuously, and
    not for years. Big bucks there, to be made.

    The initial poster claims that his wife is in the last stages, and the medical
    profession has abandoned all further treatment.

    If you are suggesting that she and her family give up all hope simply
    due to the failure of western medicine, I pity those that listen to that
    banter. There -are- other ways.

    My friend was given six (6) months to live and told that no amount
    of chemotherapy or radiation would be of any benefit. They suggested
    he "get his papers in order".

    That was almost two (2) years ago. He's still alive today, travelling around,
    and looking forward to another day. He says he doesn't feel weak at all,
    and his doctors are baffled. He had chosen to go to a local herbalist almost
    two (2) years ago, instead of "giving up".

    For anyone to put so much stock into "chemotherapy" and totally
    disregard the other alternatives, is sheer foolishness.

    One of the imported herbs I have taken, is presently being studied
    by Merck. They are trying to figure out what the chemical properties
    are of that herb, that manages to kill cancer cells specifically. So far,
    they haven't been able to do so. You can "Google" that basic theme,
    and find the many articles stating that Merck study.

    That one herb will not do what they are trying to duplicate; it is one
    of two herbs that must be decocted together.

    I would expect, as with "Hydrazine Sulfate" and "Trovax", we will
    never see the acknowledgement of these alternative remedies.

    And yes, Joe.... I know that there are a million quacks out there, all
    waiting for a chance at a fat wallet. But when there is no profit to be
    made with an alternative, and all the money in the world to be made
    with the established pharmaceutical entity, one should really open
    their eyes, and see the real truth.

    And Joe.... If you really want the truth about anything, you're going to
    have to go into the archives and "restricted areas" of many institutions.
    The information is readily available, that cites the true statistics of
    western medicine's cancer debacle.

    I had a major cancer tumor removed, with 7 out of 28 nodes infected.
    I was considered high risk, and the cancer very aggressive.

    My odds? The Oncologist said 30% of those with my type and grade
    of cancer live 5 years or more, even if they do absolutely nothing after surgery.
    And... of those that do chemo? 30% survive! We left his office thinking
    I'd have a 60% chance if I did chemo.

    The truth, Joe?
    Of those that did nothing: 26.6%
    Of those that did chemo: 27.4%

    And you don't add that together, you subtract one from the other;
    Chemo would have given me less than a 2% advantage, with second
    cancers as a risk, along with neurological problems, etc.

    It's all out there, Joe. You have to dig a bit to locate it, but it is
    indeed, out there.

    Anyone that's being told to "give up" and resign to death, should
    take the time to do some heavy research and prepare to do serious
    battle with a serious killer. You -do not- have to spend big bucks
    to do an alternative; you have nothing to lose, and life to gain.

    Good health!
  • Glenna M
    Glenna M Member Posts: 1,576
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    Keep the dogs!!
    I can't believe anyone would ask you to get rid of the dogs that your wife loves so much!! My dogs keep me smiling on my worst days and I would be lost without them.

    They have given their unconditional love to you and your family and they deserve the same. I know you would regret it in the future if you got rid of them.

    Please keep the dogs and send the mother in law packing.

    My prayers are with you and your family.
  • seanslove
    seanslove Member Posts: 70
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    Keep your Dogs
    My husband and I have two wonderful jack russel terriers,and even with all he has went through,from coming home with a chest tube,to now doing 46 hour drips via a CAD pump,the last thing we would ever do is get rid of our beloved family friends. As we do not have children,theses two little guys are our kids in a sence,therefore,we would ask,would you get rid of your kids because they were too much,uh No!! Same goes for your dogs,if your mother in law doesn't like em,well too bad,why upend your family any further than it already is. Just by posting here is proof that there is n emotional starin being caused by an issue which should not even be an issues at this time in your life. Tell her to mind her own business.
  • Glenna M
    Glenna M Member Posts: 1,576
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    Looks like Mother in law loses
    By my count it is dogs 10 and MIL 0. Majority rules, the dogs stay :)
  • hansie
    hansie Member Posts: 37
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    thanks
    for all the great replies...this has made it much easier to convince grandma...the dogs werent gonna go, i just need her to understand why they need to stay.As far as hydro whosywhatsis it goes with gogi juice and a million other alixers folks sell.Face it, if it worked, we would not hear of it here, but on every news channel in the world.thank you all again
  • RE
    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
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    I'm late but here goes....
    During my cancer battles my animals have been a major comfort to both me and my family. I had a year of chemo and during that time my dog and two cats knew things were different. I would be terribly cold and they would come lay on my legs as if they understood, they have a sense of things we have lost somewhere along the way. In addition to that these dogs are not "pets" they are loved ones to your son's who are already in turmoil over their mom's situation, it would be implorable to add more heartache to these two young men. Grandma is only thinking of herself and not the big pictures, those dogs are family and they should stay.

    My best to you and your family (dogs included)

    RE