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JR
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I'm interested in your opinions on drinking any alcohol while on chemo. A few days before treatment, while I'm feeling almost human, I will have a beer or a glass of wine. It doesn't seem to have any adverse reaction. Most importantly, it makes me feel like I have some control over what I can and cannot do. Any opinions out there ??

John

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John,

Don't know if this is the typical "rule" or not, but I overheard my onc tell another patient in the chemo room that she should definitely avoid the hard stuff and beer and wine should be avoided 2 days before infusion and 2 days after. Personally, after having a liver resection, I just don't drink much alcohol at all. I think a glass of wine here or there couldn't hurt too much, but I don't drink anything else except maybe a glass of wine at a dinner party, etc. Just my thoughts. You might try googling "alcohol and chemo" and see what you come up with. I'd be interested in finding out what is said about it too.

Lisa

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John i felt the same way as you. I would have a glass of wine or brandy right through chemo except a few days right after infusion. I liked it because I did feel I was doing what I wanted to and also it took the pain away.....tylenol or a brandy I know which one I chose. :)

i double checked with the liver surgeon and he said....you have cancer on your liver not liver disease so have a glass of wine.

just depends what you wanna do I guess.

~mags~

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Hi John,

IMO all alcohol should be avoided while healing from cancer and while trying to cure it. Why? Because alcohol turns right into sugar and cancer looooooooves sugar. Alcohol is a simple carb that has nothing to slow it (no fiber) being processed in the body. It's about insulin uptake. Cancer loves to party on alcohol. Don't invite cancer to your party and figure out a different cocktail. That goes for your appetizers too--no whites, ie, no white flours, sugars, grains etc. Try combining cranberry juice (low sugar) with some club soda and put it in a wine glass. Also acohol is acidic and cancer loves acid. Cancer is just a regular party animal. Cancer will not grow in an alkaline environment and veggie juice will alkalize your system. Try a beautiful beet juice in your wine glass instead.

Starve that cancer!

Cheers!

peace, emily the juice chick

ps. juicing gives you a sense of control--just try peeing on a pH test strip after drinking veggie juice and see the beautiful blue green colors of an alkalized system. Test your pH after some wine or beer and see what happens.

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Emily,
One of the few pleasures in my life and your taking that away from me. Just kidding. I find your posts to be some of the most interesting and entertaining out there. ie: Lets talk about Poop. What you say about alcohol makes perfect sense. BTW, I purchased a book you recomended titled "Beating Cancer with Nutrition", excellent book so far. I started reading it last night and had a hard time putting it down. Thanks for your insight and wisdom.

John

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Hi John,

I totally understand about needing a pleasure in life. When I was first diagnosed I met with an acquaintance from my homeschool group who had cured her son's cancer with pumping veggie juice and mega supplements right into his body via an NG tube. (she went on to write a book about it called Your Child Doesn't Have to Die). After she wrote the book she had many cancer folks looking to her for answers. I remember her telling me a story about a man who just wanted a big steak. She said, sometimes you have to feed your soul too.

When I was diagnosed I committed to 6 months of staying on a pure cancer healing diet. I focused on starving the cancer. I fed my soul with cancer healing foods. When I got my first NED at 6 months you can believe I went to my coop and bought some "Soul Food" which for me were Dream Pies (made with rice milk and grain-sweetened chocolate). For you it may be a glass of wine or a good micro brew. I just wanted to make sure that I tried everything in my power to heal that cancer. And that meant working hard to maintain an alkaline system.

Now at almost 8 years cancer free I feed my soul more than I did back then and I balance it with daily veggie juices to keep that alkalizing gig going.

But that's my stuff. That's how I operate. I am driven and focused AND I have the added stress of watching my sister die an agonizing death at a very young age from intestinal cancer. That alone can keep me motivated. When one has experienced the reality of this disease and the end stages up close and personal, then one has an almost sing-it-from-the-mountain tops mission to promote health. :-)

I'm glad you like my posts and that you're liking the book. I also highly recommend Dr. Andrew Weil's SPONTANEOUS HEALING. Fabulous! He articulated my thoughts exactly.

peace, emily who hopes you'll enjoy your glass of veggie juice as much as your wine!

NWGirl
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I asked my oncologist the same question and he said an occasional glass of wine (my drink of choice) was fine. Problem was, during chemo, my body simply didn't want it or enjoy it. Wine tasted awful - so I just gave up alcohol entirely while on chemo. I've read on other cancer boards that the whole "cancer loves sugar" thing is a myth. I'm not a big research type person so I've never really researched it myself - but something you may want to check with your doctor on.

It took awhile after chemo ended before wine tasted good again. Strangely, I think my taste buds are more sensitive now than ever before. Good wine tastes better; bad wine tastes worse. Kind of a mixed blessing!

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I’m in California and got my Medical Marijuana card 2 weeks ago and soon after got my first bag of pot. OMG it has helped so much!! It takes the stress away. Makes me WAY less nauseated and it does not harm you like drinking does.

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I have a couple beers now and then and a glass of wine. All my blood counts were fine before I went on chemo and if anything goes down or up I know it's from the chemo not the occasional beer or food that I'm eating and although cancer may feed on sugar, I can't live the rest of my life wondering if I should have something because it might cause cancer. I never overdid anything and I don't know why I got cancer - I just did, but I'm not going to quit cooking on the grill either. Not one of my doctors told me I got cancer because of anything I did. Just my 2 cents - whatever that's worth.

Kim

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It's worth 2 cents!
I have a beer here and there too. I think most everything in moderation... but moderation is the first thing to go.
I like your new picture!
-p

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Phil -

Where'd you get the photo of Errol Flynn?

;-)

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dang, How does one get a card? HA!

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I do not understand what the big deal is about it. You can get alcohol no problem but since people could grow their own or get a card in the few states that made it legal for medicinal purposes somehow that's not OK with some. I truly believe it has more to do with the big pharmaceutical companies. If they can successfully make pills like Emend, which some people find great success with and that's great, but they charge around $175 per pill vs pot which I would think $175 worth would last me a year, they would be opposed to it. My opinion.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it ;-)

It may do some harm because it's smoke going into your lungs, but the chemo and other medicine has harmful side effects too. It's a quality of life issue I think for many.

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I definitely agree with the smoking of pot. Actually, Michigan just passed overwhelmingly to allow the use of pot for medical purposes. You are right about the big companies wanting to generate their big dollars and with pot they wouldn't be getting a dime.

I say if it helps you - then go ahead and use it. Geez I should check into that now :)

Thanks for the compliment on the picture. It was only because of you I actually got it changed since I'm so computer incompetent sometimes LOL.

Kim

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Yer like totally gonna put me, like, out of a job, man...

Like if pot becomes, ya know, like legal I'll be working at Taco Bell - but of course more people will be GOING to Taco Bell when they get the munchies... so maybe I'll do OK.

Maybe I should, like say, ya know... THANKS, man...

Emily - the hat you're wearing in your picture is really cool - is it made with kinte cloth?

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There's always cocaine!!

AND I can't believe you didn't comment on the alcohol question. Your Captain Morgan replies always made me laugh a few years ago.

I miss your humor and I really miss you and Stacy, Barb, Em and some of the others going back and forth like you used to.

Good to see you here and I hope you are staying safe. I'll see you in Oct. at CP7.

Much love,

Lisa P.

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I'm tired of wakin' up on the floor~ remember that one?

True so true. Actually, cocaine trafficing is what really keeps me gainfuly employed and gives me opportunities to travel the world chasing the bad guys.

Yeah, I tried to think of some snappy Captain Morgan line, but I'm just too tired! I miss the old gang, too, but I am way busier than I was back then so finding time to come onto the board is a rare treat. Often I have to weigh it; Do I get a nap or do I go onto the board?!

All is well. Underway for a while yet then home for not long enough. Katie will meet me when we get back to Key West and (hopefully) our furniture will follow right behind in a day or so.

If you're interested, here is the link to the ship's homepage:

http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/cgcMohawk/

I am working on making the site better, updating photos, etc. The picture on the front page was taken about a week ago by my helicopter. It's been absolutely beautiful out here. We were recently in port for a few days. While there, we did a community relations project. We went and refurbished a room at a local church that provides a place for cancer patients to sleep when they come in from out in the country for their chemo treatments. The name of the facility is Casita de Mausi (www.casitademausi.org) - needless to say, it was a project that was near and dear to my heart! Either Katie or I will post a photo or two from the project as soon as I get my hands on some. I have also started a newsletter that we post at our site, you can view some additional photos and see some of the stuff we're up to.

Be well, darlin'! See you soon!!

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Great website! I enjoyed the newsletter as well. I was raised in a military family, although stationery. Dad was in the Army Air Corp in WWI (cryptographer) and then a lifer in the National Guard. Because he didn't go to college, he never made true officer status, (he was 'Sarge' to everyone...it's on his tombstone as well) but retired as a Warrant Officer...his CO upgraded him just before retirement.

Good on you for the cancer project! I'd love to see pictures.

Be safe...and THANK YOU for your service. Vicki

NWGirl
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I asked my doctor about medical marijuana and he sort of blew me off. He said he thought it helped people who were used to using it prior to their cancer diagnosis........not sure why he assumed I wasn't one of those people. I didn't quite know where to take it from there - so I let it drop.

JTL52
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Hi,
I did ask my oncologist that question during Folfox treatment.
I was told I could have a glass of wine or beer on non treatment weeks.
Your liver has enough work to do clearing the chemo out of your system without an extra burdon.
Janet

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Shayenne
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...I don't know about this one, my onc says a Cancer liver is a diseased liver, so I haven't drank but a glass of wine once while on chemo, and though I love my beer and wine, I'm waiting it out, and feel if I drink, I'm adding it the extra stress to my liver, so I don't bother drinking now, not till after I'm done or maybe if the tumor is removed, I feel scared to drink, thinking it will make my liver worse.

Hugsss!
~Donna

steven12
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What about this? Liver tumors are also treated by alcohol infusion to the tumor site. One ( from many other ) sites: http://www.uchospitals.edu/specialties/cancer/gi/liver.html
Best wishes to every body and drink responsibly
Steven

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daydreamer110761
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I also asked my doc, and was told the same as many - it's ok to have the beer or wine on off weeks. And I did. I couldn't let this take everything away from me, so I had fun on my off weeks.

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I've avoided alcohol for the last two years. I've got a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue Label that I look at everyday. I'm just waiting for the perfect day.

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Does that count as smoking- one of the big no, nos! Knew it was too good to be true!

I still find my self craving suger when I never did before, just telling everyone, keep it out of the house, I know I'm skinny but I don't need those calories!

I have tried a glass of wine a couple times, but it does nothing for me now....maybe after all those years of driking it, and breaking out in hives, I finally learned my lesson. My husband woul always tell me, that wine can't be good for your body. Yeah, I can see my immune system totally go whackers trying to keep those hives down. I would only drink until I fel the hives, 1-2, maybe 3 glasses of wine if I was out to dinner and jut got lucky hitting three glasses.

. What was I thinking, cooking and cleaning and wine just went to well togeher.....

Any way, bring on the J, I have never tried it!

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...Hubby is now frying up some fish he caught over the weekend (sawguy, sorry if the spelling is wrong and bass) with a nice beer batter...he doesn't drink, but guess who just poured herself a nice glass of beer...yep, I did! and it sure does taste good when you haven't had a swig of it in awhile LOL.

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Yes beer and a good fish fry sure do go together. Hope you enjoy that beer - you deserve it. Would love to be a guest over at your place for that fish fry. Yummy.

Kim

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My doctor told me no drinking after my liver resection BUT, I lost 55 lbs and he said that he was going to prescribe me some pills where the main ingredient was some form of marijuana if I didn't start eating again. I'm in Maryland, so medical marijuana isn't legal...

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...I'd love to have you over for the fish fry...yummmmy!

I don't know if medicinal marijuana is legal here in Ohio, but the regular weed works just as good, as it does help cure that nausea and will definitely make you want to "snack" alot, and why do I feel like a spokesperson for Phil when I mention the stuff, it does help! LOL

Hugssss~
Donna

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I don't think that one is USDA Govt approved that the other is "moonshine". Pot is a weed. There are different strains of it with different potencies. I've had some that was OK (Miller Lite) and others that were very good (Johnny Walker Blue). You may want to check out NORML.org for more info. I just went there for the first time yesterday (but I didn't inhale). There are a lot of interesting facts and studies posted there. It's not just stuff written by potheads.

Gee....how did I become Mr Pothead???
It's better than Mr Potato Head I suppose and Emily is the Carrot Chick.
BTW: I am off to my local CSA to get some organic veggies. I plan on making a nice organic veggie juice and throwing in some weed and vodka! Ha-ha, just plain old juice, it's really quite good if you mix it right. Otherwise it can taste like licking the bottom of your lawn mower (only with it NOT running)
:-)
PS: Does anyone recognize my new avatar. He was a famous character actor who was in many famous movies and also a TV show. $5 cyberbucks* to whoever guesses it.

*I will scan a $5 bill and email it to you.

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I would think that since the liver in many of us is compromised, staying away from alcohol is probably the smartest thing to do. The nurses say 1 or 2 here and there are OK (just don't tell the Onc I said so) so I follow that advice.
-p

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Shayenne
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That isn't Errol Flynn in your avatar, or Howard Hughes is it Phil??? I may have the wrong dude.

Yes, I think the thing I'm going to do is stay away from it, my liver gets flareups sometimes, and my doctor said that the soreness could be the avastin working on it, strangling the vessels, so it's a good thing if I feel my liver is a little tender in that area. I can wait till chemo is over. The beer was a nice treat on Friday though, a nice small glass, and it went down sooooo gooooood.

Hugsss!
~Donna

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that's my husband's best guess....

Vicki

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Jimmy Buffet's "I wish I had a pencil thin mustache"

Bryl Cream, A little dab 'l' do ya!

My guess is that it's actually a headshot of a young, dashing, but angst-filled dramatist/arteest named Phil back in his days performing on Broadway with the likes of Robert Goulet and Liza Minelli. Perhaps when he was one of the leading men appearing in Camelot on the great white way?

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