I don't think I"ll be in that Avastin/Ertux study now :(

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Shayenne
Shayenne Member Posts: 2,342
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29019005/


Using 2 newer drugs may worsen colon cancer
Study: Combination of meds made disease worse, patients more miserable

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NEW YORK - Doctors thought that combining two newer drugs that more precisely attack cancer would help people with advanced colon cancer. Instead, it made the cancer worse and made the patients more miserable, a study found.

The surprising findings underscore the importance of doing rigorous studies before rushing to mix these pricey, new-generation drugs, the Dutch researchers and other experts said. The doctors tried combining Erbitux and Avastin because lab tests and an earlier small study had shown promising results.

“This will stand out as a warning,” said Dr. Cornelis Punt, the study’s leader. “You have to do the randomized studies to see what really happens.”
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For the study, Eli Lilly & Co.’s Erbitux was added to standard treatment, which includes Genentech Inc.’s Avastin. Since both are “targeted” drugs and attack tumors in different ways, the thinking was that the combo would do a better job of keeping the cancer from growing.

But the results show “more is not always better,” said Dr. Robert Mayer, of Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston. He wrote an editorial published with the study in Thursday’s New England Journal of Medicine.



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What makes the results even more compelling, Mayer said, is that another similar study reached the same conclusion. That study, released in December, tested another targeted drug that works the same way as Erbitux.

“This is the first time we’ve seen harm by combining targeted therapies and it tells us we need to be cautious,” said Dr. Jordan Berlin, a gastrointestinal cancer specialist at Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center in Nashville, Tenn.

Berlin, who had no role in the research, stressed that the drugs do help patients, just not when given together.

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The research was done at hospitals throughout the Netherlands and led by Punt at Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Center. The 755 study patients had colon cancer that had spread. They all received Avastin, also known as bevacizumab, and two chemotherapy drugs. Half of them also got Erbitux, also called cetuximab. They were followed for nearly two years.


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The group that got Erbitux saw their cancer get worse sooner, the researchers found. On average, their cancer progressed after 9.4 months compared to 10.7 months for those who didn’t get Erbitux. The Erbitux group also had lower quality-of-life scores.

The overall survival in both groups was about the same.

Punt said they are now trying to figure out why the combo didn’t work; it could be an interaction between these two specific drugs, Erbitux and Avastin.

After the study began in 2006, it was shown that Erbitux didn’t help colon cancer patients who had a specific gene mutation. The Dutch researchers said their study confirmed that — the worst results were in those with the mutation who got Erbitux.


Vanderbilt’s Berlin said the results also show doctors need to be careful when using drugs “off-label.” Drugs are approved for specific uses but doctors can prescribe them for other purposes. Medicare has recently expanded its coverage for such use of some cancer drugs, which can cost thousands a month.

Off-label use “needs to be cautious and this proves it,” said Berlin.

The study was supported by a network of Dutch researchers which receives grants from a cancer foundation and drug companies. The two targeted drugs were provided by the companies that market them in Europe. Several of the researchers have consulted for cancer drug companies, as has the editorial writer and Berlin.

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  • maglets
    maglets Member Posts: 2,576 Member
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    understand
    Donna I don't understand....have you just read this or have you heard something specifically for your case??// what's happening?
    Maggie
  • KathiM
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    Wow! I'm speechless...
    This is why there is such a thing as trials....sigh...

    Thanks for the update, dearheart!!! I have a few patient partners in the situation, and looking at this course of treatment...I am forwarding this link to them now!

    Hugs, Kathi
  • Kathleen808
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    thanks
    Donna,
    Thanks so much for this info. Probably a good way to look at this is it is better to have the info than to not have it. Information is power!
    We will find out tomorrow what Dr. Lenz, the oncologist says to **** about treatment. He is the doctor who has the blog on C3 Colon Cancer Coalition. ****'s KRAS test won't be back for 6 days so we will have to what to see exactly what he suggests.
    Donna, you are in my thoughts and prayers a lot.
    Aloha,
    Kathleen
  • Shayenne
    Shayenne Member Posts: 2,342
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    maglets said:

    understand
    Donna I don't understand....have you just read this or have you heard something specifically for your case??// what's happening?
    Maggie

    maglets...
    I was asked to participate in this clinical stdy just a couple days ago, and BOOM! this article showed up right under health in msnbc.com news..strange timing as well, since I was supposed to go tomorrow and sign the consent forms...strange that this came up before I even went..like it was trying to tell me something.
  • CherylHutch
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    Unless I'm misunderstanding...
    Donna... this is an interesting article, for sure, but I might be misunderstanding something here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in another post, I think you had mentioned that you were being (or had been) tested for the K-ras gene mutation. I don't remember if you told us the results from that test or if you are still waiting for them... and that part of the reason you were being tested for this was because of the clinical study which uses Erbitux.

    This following paragraph means a lot...

    "After the study began in 2006, it was shown that Erbitux didn’t help colon cancer patients who had a specific gene mutation. The Dutch researchers said their study confirmed that — the worst results were in those with the mutation who got Erbitux."

    For some months now there has been a lot of discussion in this forum for anyone going on Erbitux, folk here have been reminding them to make sure they are tested for the K-ras gene. It is a relatively new test and has proven that IF you have this gene, then Erbitux becomes totally useless for you and could actually cause more problems... and meanwhile, puts you more at risk because the whole time you are on it it isn't doing any good.

    So, when I read this article, all it seems to tell me (again, unless I'm missing something here) is that some people were found to be miserable, meanwhile their cancer proved to get WORSE rather than better. Well, if they have the K-ras gene then of course their cancer would prove to get worse, because the Erbitux would be absolutely useless for them... it's like you are treating it with nothing, so the cancer advances. Meanwhile, they are more miserable because they are having all the side affects of the chemo AND feeling miserable because their cancer is getting worse, not better.

    The article says that the Dutch study confirmed this... that those with the mutation gene got the worst results. The Dutch trial started BEFORE the test for the K-ras mutant gene was created... hence the bad results prior to anyone knowing about the K-ras gene, would easily be thought to be because of the drug, or drug combo...when in fact, it sounds like these bad results happened for those who had the mutant gene... which we now know is a problem.

    So, rather than just say no to the trial... take this article in to your oncologist and see what he has to say. My gut feeling is that this might all be to do with the K-Ras gene which we all already know about... but, like almost all things in the media, the facts are always twisted and reported soooo much later.

    Don't panic yet. And remember the rule of thumb... knowledge is power, but getting your information from the internet can be very, very dangerous and misleading ;)

    Hugggggs,

    Cheryl
  • Shayenne
    Shayenne Member Posts: 2,342
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    Unless I'm misunderstanding...
    Donna... this is an interesting article, for sure, but I might be misunderstanding something here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in another post, I think you had mentioned that you were being (or had been) tested for the K-ras gene mutation. I don't remember if you told us the results from that test or if you are still waiting for them... and that part of the reason you were being tested for this was because of the clinical study which uses Erbitux.

    This following paragraph means a lot...

    "After the study began in 2006, it was shown that Erbitux didn’t help colon cancer patients who had a specific gene mutation. The Dutch researchers said their study confirmed that — the worst results were in those with the mutation who got Erbitux."

    For some months now there has been a lot of discussion in this forum for anyone going on Erbitux, folk here have been reminding them to make sure they are tested for the K-ras gene. It is a relatively new test and has proven that IF you have this gene, then Erbitux becomes totally useless for you and could actually cause more problems... and meanwhile, puts you more at risk because the whole time you are on it it isn't doing any good.

    So, when I read this article, all it seems to tell me (again, unless I'm missing something here) is that some people were found to be miserable, meanwhile their cancer proved to get WORSE rather than better. Well, if they have the K-ras gene then of course their cancer would prove to get worse, because the Erbitux would be absolutely useless for them... it's like you are treating it with nothing, so the cancer advances. Meanwhile, they are more miserable because they are having all the side affects of the chemo AND feeling miserable because their cancer is getting worse, not better.

    The article says that the Dutch study confirmed this... that those with the mutation gene got the worst results. The Dutch trial started BEFORE the test for the K-ras mutant gene was created... hence the bad results prior to anyone knowing about the K-ras gene, would easily be thought to be because of the drug, or drug combo...when in fact, it sounds like these bad results happened for those who had the mutant gene... which we now know is a problem.

    So, rather than just say no to the trial... take this article in to your oncologist and see what he has to say. My gut feeling is that this might all be to do with the K-Ras gene which we all already know about... but, like almost all things in the media, the facts are always twisted and reported soooo much later.

    Don't panic yet. And remember the rule of thumb... knowledge is power, but getting your information from the internet can be very, very dangerous and misleading ;)

    Hugggggs,

    Cheryl

    Well....
    From what I'm getting out of it, the colon cancer just gets worse when those drugs Avastin and Certux is taken together, whether you have the K-ras or not, it just isn't working anyway, so you're better off just taking your regular cocktail (I'll be doing Folfiri) without the new drugs. This article just scared my husband off of me being in that study.
  • Shayenne said:

    Well....
    From what I'm getting out of it, the colon cancer just gets worse when those drugs Avastin and Certux is taken together, whether you have the K-ras or not, it just isn't working anyway, so you're better off just taking your regular cocktail (I'll be doing Folfiri) without the new drugs. This article just scared my husband off of me being in that study.

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  • dixchi
    dixchi Member Posts: 431
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    Shayenne said:

    Well....
    From what I'm getting out of it, the colon cancer just gets worse when those drugs Avastin and Certux is taken together, whether you have the K-ras or not, it just isn't working anyway, so you're better off just taking your regular cocktail (I'll be doing Folfiri) without the new drugs. This article just scared my husband off of me being in that study.

    Journal
    Apparently this article was prompted by an artcile in the New England Journal
    of Medicine which is a very respected and prestigious publication. So that
    source would be reliable. I think taking the article into your oncologist
    for a read is a very good idea; don't try to make the decision by yourself.
    If you stick to respected internet sites like the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins
    the National Istitute of Health, I think you are ok with information. I hate
    to see the baby thrown out with the bath water by the statement not to rely
    on ANY internet sites. The American Society of Gastroenterologists and the
    American Society of Oncologists would be good sites also. You might even
    find the New England Journal of Medicine has a website.

    You're doing a great job of research on your situation which is great!
  • dixchi
    dixchi Member Posts: 431
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    dixchi said:

    Journal
    Apparently this article was prompted by an artcile in the New England Journal
    of Medicine which is a very respected and prestigious publication. So that
    source would be reliable. I think taking the article into your oncologist
    for a read is a very good idea; don't try to make the decision by yourself.
    If you stick to respected internet sites like the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins
    the National Istitute of Health, I think you are ok with information. I hate
    to see the baby thrown out with the bath water by the statement not to rely
    on ANY internet sites. The American Society of Gastroenterologists and the
    American Society of Oncologists would be good sites also. You might even
    find the New England Journal of Medicine has a website.

    You're doing a great job of research on your situation which is great!

    NEJM
    The original article is on the New England Journal of Medicine website;
    it might be better to rely on it than on an interpretation of it in
    another source.