Stinging tongue

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  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member

    Nagging
    I'm sorry to sound so uncaring. I do have great sympathy for Buzz's wife and for anyone that has to go through this as a patient or care giver I have my bad days sorry. Anyway I know they have to eat and I would love to have my husband eat or even try one of those milkshakes so he would get the calories as he has lost about 50#. If I suggest something for him to try to eat sometimes just the thought of eating causes him to be sick to his stomach.He just gets really mad and lets me know how bad his mouth and throat burns when he trys the more I talk about food the worse it is so Thats Why I wont nag. He can use 6 cans of Jevity and that is it, if he adds one more then he is vomiting. I get gripped at plenty believe me , maybe thats why I have given up nagging at him. After I read the post just now I can see why you would think that I am an Onery old lady Sorry I came across that way I am really not. I'm very greatful for you and all of the other folks on here for your help and support through this ordeal. Sometimes I feel very discouraged and I get on this site and read all of the love and support and it makes things so much easier. Once more I'm sorry to offend you.

    No Worries
    Everyone has different ways of dealing with and coping...and nobody know's your relationships better than you and yours.

    What works for one couple, doesn't necessarily work for another.

    I think the whole intent from yourself and everyone is all meant to be good. The overall health, comfort, and longevity of our loved ones.

    Best,
    John
  • deb e19
    deb e19 Member Posts: 15

    Four weeks out is very early.
    You must understand that radiation is cumulative and after he has finished radiation, he still continues to cook for a couple weeks after. I think that he is able to tolerate a milk shake that is a good thing. Yes, it does interfere with his willingness to eat because it hurts! It's so hard to explain the tongue weird feeling. I will try, but unless you have had it you cannot understand how difficult it is to eat and swallow. Not sure if your husbands tongue is like mine but this is the way mine was/is. My tongue feels scalded. Like I drank scalding hot McDonalds coffee straight out the coffee machine. My tongue feels sort of tight in places. My tongue doesn't move the way I want it to. I cannot move it around like I used to. I can't get food that is stuck in my teeth out, I cannot stick my tongue out, I cannot whistle anymore, I can't roll my tongue anymore, my 'th' when I speak sounds like 'ss', my tongue is smooth- you don't see any little taste buds anymore, my tongue is red and it hurts all the time. Normally about a 2-3 on the pain scale every day. Some things, like tooth paste, (I numb my mouth to brush) burn and hurt my tongue so bad it makes my eyes tear and my nose run. Some foods and drinks as well. Forget alcohol. It's like napalm in my mouth. The textures of things in my tongue feel weird. It's not as bad as when I first ended treatment, thank God. Since my tongue is extra sensitive things tend to feel extra grainy. Even mashed potatoes felt grainy on my tongue, like little b-b's. My tongue hurt so bad, that when my parents bought me Bryers Vanilla ice cream, I had to ask them to get the kind without the flecks of vanilla bean in them because it felt like little tiny shards of glass.

    If he only has the stinging sometimes, that is good. I think that means he will get it back to normal. But it wlll take time. At four weeks out, I was still a train wreck. Actually that was about my worst. It sounds like Buzz is doing well to me. If he can use the magic mouthwash before eating that can help. I can't eat when my tongue is numb. It makes me gag. IDK I'm weird tho. The baking soda, salt and tepid water helps. And just time! You need to measure in weeks. For me it was months. I think it's hard at four weeks after treatment because you have been done for a while and you expect to be feeling better because you are fininshed with treatments but your body is not done cooking. It's hard, but you need patience.
    Hope that the sores on his tongue heal quickly, that should help some, but it takes time. I took a very long time compared to others for my sores to heal. I remember I had sores in my mouth five months after rads. I was in the dentist office many many months after rads and the girls working on my tooth asked me why they were doing it when I was going thru rads. That's how bad my mouth looked. They thought I was still in treatment, meanwhile I'd been out for months.

    While eating I have found that dairy products seems to take that sting away from foods for me. Adding butter or cream, marscarpone cheese, sour cream, and milk takes the sting away from acidic foods and adds the extra calories I need to maintain my weight. If you don't do dairy I don't know if other soy products would work. I have found that adding L-Glutamine to my juice drinks allows me to tolerate them better. You can add the Glutamine to water too. I got a large jar of it for about $30 in GNC and I think it does help and I am happy that I can juice again. Also, for a while flat Mug Root Beer was all I could drink besides milk. It has to be MUG brand and flat tho. It actually felt good on my tongue, well, much better than other stuff. That was a suggestion from the hematologist oncologist that I saw. I thought she was nuts, but she was right.

    stinging mouth
    I finished my treatment July 2010 and I too suffer from stinging mouth with most foods except dairy. My mouth sounds alot like yours not being able to move my tongue around. Solid food doesn't go down well at all. It actually stops in the back of my mouth after about the third bite, like mac/cheese. I am having a terrible time getting enough calories. how long did it take you to get up to enough calories to get off the peg or were you on it. I stuggle with getting 600-700 down a day. The rest I do with my peg. I am looking for any help. I use the magic mouthwash after I eat to numb the stinging.
  • sweetblood22
    sweetblood22 Member Posts: 3,228
    deb e19 said:

    stinging mouth
    I finished my treatment July 2010 and I too suffer from stinging mouth with most foods except dairy. My mouth sounds alot like yours not being able to move my tongue around. Solid food doesn't go down well at all. It actually stops in the back of my mouth after about the third bite, like mac/cheese. I am having a terrible time getting enough calories. how long did it take you to get up to enough calories to get off the peg or were you on it. I stuggle with getting 600-700 down a day. The rest I do with my peg. I am looking for any help. I use the magic mouthwash after I eat to numb the stinging.

    Hi deb e19
    I am sorry that you are having so much trouble. For a long time dairy was the only thing my mouth would tolerate, for sure. Rinsing with the l-gultamine has helped me some, I think. There have been some studies that have shown it helps with oral mucosa issues during treatment and healing afterward. You can find the Glutamine in a powder form in GNC and one heaped tsp in water to swish and swallow. It is the most abundant amino acid in the body. (if you search 'HNC Superthread help for some FAQ'- on this site - you can find a couple of links there about Glutamine if you want to read about it. It's in the one that says it's about a collection of helpful links) There may also be other thing you may find helpful there.

    Onto the food getting stuck. Have you had a swallowing study? I had one and it showed that I had a stricture from radiation damage. I have had two stretchings. I could barely get down yogurt. Now I can swallow soft things and when I cook I mince everything very finely. I used a mincer/chopper. I am doing a lot better. I can eat most soft veggies and even pasta and rice now. Still cannot eat any meat though. Sometimes I can do deli ham and turkey without choking. I can do some fish sometimes and scallops. It took me 18 months to get rid of that Peg tube. It was really a fight to be able to get in enough calories so that I could get it removed. I still do drink a lot of my calories and nutrients. I drink freshly juiced fruit and veg juice with brunch every day. Smoothies as a snack. I find if I drink thicker liquids when I eat that I seem to get things down better. I had gotten down to 87 lbs. I think in September when I got my peg out I was about 94-96? I am now about 101 or so. For a long time I was taking in 2400 cals a day and I still was having trouble gaining. I had to really push and be on top of getting in enough cals. I am doing about 2000 now. I write everything down. It makes me eat more when I keep track and hold myself accountable. My diet is still pretty high in fats, and dairy, but until I am 105-110 I am not going to cut out any extra fat. I do eat a lot of veggies, whole grains and fruits. A lot of my extra fats comes from olive oil, truffle oil, avocado, coconut milk, eggs, butter and almond butter and peanut butter.

    So, I would ask about a swallowing study and see if you are a candidate for a dialation. I think there are also swallowing exercises on that HNC Superthread that I spoke of as well. A speech pathologist can also help with that. Don't know if you have a stricture or the muscles are weak or there is nerve or tongue damage. They will know.

    You are 7 months out. I was not able to eat anything at all at 7 months. I had my second dialation at 8 -9 months. I had a pretty big improvement at about 15 months. I am a super slow healer. :)

    Please feel free to write me anytime. Sorry for the novel. I guess I tend to babble. Part of the magic of me. Lol

    Blessings,

    Sweet