Radiation damage to bones of jaw

Mavish
Mavish Member Posts: 84 Member

Hi all,

I was diagnosed and treated for right tonsil SCC p16 positive in 2016. Now my jaw bones started dying which is called osteonecrosis. As a result my two teeth became loose and my bone and whole cheek get infected. Now I am on antibiotics, and also precribed with Vitamin E, pentoxiphyline, clondronate and dexametazone. Also reccomended hyperbaric oxigen treatment.

Does anyone experience similar late effect and treated for it?

Which medicaons traetments were used? What were the outcomes?

Many thanks in advance.

 

 

Comments

  • ERomanO
    ERomanO Member Posts: 317 Member
    edited March 2019 #2
    Hello Mavish. I would suggest

    Hello Mavish. I would suggest a good place to start is to use the "Search by Keyword" function at the top of the main Head & Neck Cancer screen and search the word "osteonecrosis".  You'll get several hits for previous discussions on this topic, which may answer your questions, or make you think of some new ones.

    Good luck!

  • Mavish
    Mavish Member Posts: 84 Member
    ERomanO said:

    Hello Mavish. I would suggest

    Hello Mavish. I would suggest a good place to start is to use the "Search by Keyword" function at the top of the main Head & Neck Cancer screen and search the word "osteonecrosis".  You'll get several hits for previous discussions on this topic, which may answer your questions, or make you think of some new ones.

    Good luck!

    Thank you very much RomanO..

    Thank you very much RomanO.. I will.

  • Logan51
    Logan51 Member Posts: 464 Member
    corrections

    Actually, it's called Osteoradionecrosis- a result of the rads acing the little blood vessels in the jaw. I got 6,800 Gbys of Rads, and both Dentist and ENT Dr. say I'm on the clock for at least partial jaw replacement, as 10-12 years are common for anyone who got over 6,000- according to the U. of Iowa. I'm less than a month away from my 10th year out to the good for stage-3 NPC, and was getting rad zaps in 20 places due to Unknown Primary. A number of older users have had the jaw Ops, and they are the authorities on what its like- something I hope to avoid. 

  • ERomanO
    ERomanO Member Posts: 317 Member
    Logan51 said:

    corrections

    Actually, it's called Osteoradionecrosis- a result of the rads acing the little blood vessels in the jaw. I got 6,800 Gbys of Rads, and both Dentist and ENT Dr. say I'm on the clock for at least partial jaw replacement, as 10-12 years are common for anyone who got over 6,000- according to the U. of Iowa. I'm less than a month away from my 10th year out to the good for stage-3 NPC, and was getting rad zaps in 20 places due to Unknown Primary. A number of older users have had the jaw Ops, and they are the authorities on what its like- something I hope to avoid. 

    Thanks!

    Even more hits with the correct term.  Mavish, take note!

    EDIT: It probably doesn't hurt to use other words, or variations of words to get more search hits.

    Dave, I hope you can avoid the jaw surgery, too.  Maybe, in the event that it can't be avoided, there are improvements to the procedure nowadays???

  • donfoo
    donfoo Member Posts: 1,771 Member
    ditto

    ditto the search site for ORN, common abbreviation for the condition. it's been discussed over the years, hopefully some of the posters are still watching. 

  • Mavish
    Mavish Member Posts: 84 Member
    Dave K,

    Dave K,

    Did they precribe you pentoxifilline, vitamin E, dexametasone and clodronate ? Did you try HBOT? 

    I have read previos posts and I did not see any one mentioning 4 prescription medicine concurently with HBOT. I was wondering what the treatment protocols in other hospitals.

    Many thanks to all taking time and responding my post.

  • Logan51
    Logan51 Member Posts: 464 Member
    Mavish said:

    Dave K,

    Dave K,

    Did they precribe you pentoxifilline, vitamin E, dexametasone and clodronate ? Did you try HBOT? 

    I have read previos posts and I did not see any one mentioning 4 prescription medicine concurently with HBOT. I was wondering what the treatment protocols in other hospitals.

    Many thanks to all taking time and responding my post.

    Nope

    ENT Dr. just confirmed what I told him I had learned on the forum about the 10-12 year expectancy with a nod of his head, and words to the affirmative. No advice whatsover. I have modified my diet, though. Drink 2 Ensures for breakfast, have a bowl of cereal for dinner and a ham&cheese sandwich for supper, and top it off with a couple cookies before I got to bed. And, chew carefully/slowly. 

    Dentist did have me go thru a Root Canal and new Crown when he saw something on an Xray which told him a tooth was vulnerable to a blood flow issue. Advice for everyone: if you are needing a Root Canal- go to a Periodontist, rather than letting your Dentist do it. Could not believe how much easier it was with the Periodontist. They specialize in that sort of thing, and their work proves it.

  • donfoo
    donfoo Member Posts: 1,771 Member
    Logan51 said:

    Nope

    ENT Dr. just confirmed what I told him I had learned on the forum about the 10-12 year expectancy with a nod of his head, and words to the affirmative. No advice whatsover. I have modified my diet, though. Drink 2 Ensures for breakfast, have a bowl of cereal for dinner and a ham&cheese sandwich for supper, and top it off with a couple cookies before I got to bed. And, chew carefully/slowly. 

    Dentist did have me go thru a Root Canal and new Crown when he saw something on an Xray which told him a tooth was vulnerable to a blood flow issue. Advice for everyone: if you are needing a Root Canal- go to a Periodontist, rather than letting your Dentist do it. Could not believe how much easier it was with the Periodontist. They specialize in that sort of thing, and their work proves it.

    periodontist vs endodontist

    Dave, I think you meant an endodontist to see when dealing with root canals. A periodontist specializes in implants where procedures directly affect the jaw bone and structures. An endodontist works inside the tooth.

  • Logan51
    Logan51 Member Posts: 464 Member
    donfoo

    You may be right. Had the Periodontist grind away the teeth roots exposed on each side of my gums in the very back, and assumed it was the same dental Dr. Endodontist does sound right. My regular Dentist referred me to him, as the work needed was over his head, and now that I think about it- Endodontist does sound right. I do have an excuse, though, donfoo- old age! 54 when tx happened, and now 64, so...Survivor- yes!

    Thank you.

  • Mavish
    Mavish Member Posts: 84 Member
    Thank you very much for all

    Thank you very much for all your replies.

    My dentist reffered me to an oral surgeon. The surgeon recomended surgucial removal of two teeths. I am scared, because of the risk of moremore osteoradionecrosis following the surgery.

     

  • donfoo
    donfoo Member Posts: 1,771 Member
    stay informed

    Mavish,

    Your initial post indicates you already show signs of ORN. If so, then make sure they know about your oral cancer history before letting them do any procedures. Since they mention hyperbaric oxygen treatments, that is a good sign they are knowledgable about your condition. Please ensure the RO is consulted about your treatment and study where the radiation was directed. Given you are showing symptoms so soon, get a detailed assessment about progression of the disease. Good luck don

  • Mavish
    Mavish Member Posts: 84 Member

    Photodynamic laser treatment for osteoradionecrosis

    As you may remeber, I was treated for rıght tonsil SCC in 2016, with surgery and RT. I had 70 gy on the tumor site and 60 gy on rıght neck that I had the 2 positive lymph nodes.

    I am here to to share a good news with you.

    Here is the my osteoreadionecrozis story:

    Before the treatment I was told I could be back at work 3--4 months after the radiotherapy However my body responded too badly to the radiation, I had excessive ulsers in my mouth it took 18 mounths to heal. Then, I had osteoradionecrosis very early in 2018 in my upper jaw (maxilla) I did not have tooth extraction or anything to speed up or triger the osteoradionecrosis. 2 of my healty looking tooths droped on their own and left me with a big exposed bone.

    Described reconstrictive surgery sounded very complicated on its own and considering my tissues are being affected by radiation, we werent sure if my tissues would heal after the surgery.a surgery complication was high. So I chose the conservative approach not to have the surgery and wait to see how far I can go without it. I had 70 hyperbaric oxigen dives, ( normally people have 40 ish), used trentall and vitamin E, prednisolon etc.. Noting helped. I was having very frequent infection spreading to my face and neck. I was on antiobiotics for two weeks and then I would be infection free for just 2-3 weeks and it was like a visous circle. Some antibiotics started nott working. I was treated one of the best Cancer Centres in Canada and my healthcare team is great. But it was noting can be done except sugery or living with it.

    About 2 years ago, I moved to anotjer city. I found a Dentist here, and she offered me to include an Oral Pathologist in my care team. I said why not. But no good expectation, considering my bone is already dead. However, she mentioneed a use of photodynamic laser treatment. She told ORN is too big and it is in advance stage, but we can try. Idea seems too good to be true to me. I talked to my doctors they were not aware of this treatment modality. After thinking through 2 -3 weeks, I decided to take the chances as my situation was not great at the time and i already tried all the options except the surgery.

    Dr Firoozeh Samim put me on profilactic Doxycycline treatment. I think it also increase the photosensitivity of the tissues. And we started the laser treatment. Exposed bone area decreased to the 25% of its original size of 1x2 cm in the first six months but stayed there, but I kept having laser treatmets to keep it where it is. She kept me on doxycycline. A few monts ago, the exposed bone started mobilising, and I saw my surgeon, the concern was any surgery may create a hole between sinus and oral cavity which requires reconstructive surgery. So again we decided not to touch it. 3 weeks ago the dead bone came out on its own, there was a suprisingly healty well vasculirised tissue under it.

    - Officially I do not have and exposed bone or osteoradinecrosis symptoms at the moment. I will use Doxycicline for four more months and than I will be off.

    - Laser treatment was painless, was taking about 15 minutes.

    -I did not have any infection since I started with this treatment modality.

    I know that nothing will change that I had 70 gy and my body reacted very badly. I don't know what the future is holding for me. I am feeling good now.

    I am greatful to all my doctors, nurses, dietisians, dentists, dental, hygenists, physiotherapists, social workers, my family, friends, people in this group who kept me alive.

    I am constently searching photodynamic laser treatment on the internet, to se what is published about it. Recently, I fould the below page of Cleavland Clinic. It seems it is aso becoming a new cancer treatment modality including head and neck cancers.

    https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/17922-photodynamic-therapy-pdt

    I am greatful to all my doctors, nurses, dietisians, dentists, dental hygenists, physiotherapists, social workers, my family, friends, people in this group who kept me alive in this journey.

    May God bless you!

  • wbcgaruss
    wbcgaruss Member Posts: 2,275 Member

    Mavish thank you for sharing your update and the journey and treatments you took working with this issue of osteoradionecrosis. I am glad you had good doctors and dentists taking care of you. I think your story shows that at times a wait-and-see approach can work. Also, you didn't just give in to surgery which would have been major but worked your problem out with photodynamic laser treatment and prophylactic Doxycycline treatment. I am going to save your story and do some research myself. This may help others. This is one of the worst fears of H&N patients. It appears things are going in the right direction for you and I hope and pray for you that you are soon all clear and all healthy.

    Thank you for sharing this and I am wishing you great blessings of complete healing moving forward.

    Wishing You The Best

    Take Care, May God Bless & Watch Over You

    Russ