Is there any connection between RCC and auto immune diseases?

icemantoo
icemantoo Member Posts: 3,361 Member
edited September 2016 in Kidney Cancer #1

My turn to ask a question. My ENT sent me for bloodwork on Thyroid and Auto Immune markers after taking my history. One of the Auto Immune tests came back positive and I am scheduled for an evalation by a Rhumetologist. My other history includes Gout, Dry mouth (negative for Sjorgens disease) , Rhinitis, Gerd, Reflux and of course RCC. Any thoughts.

 

Icemantoo

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  • stub1969
    stub1969 Member Posts: 966 Member
    edited September 2016 #2
    Makes you wonder

    The better question: Is there a connection between cancer and auto immune diseases.  As the world of science continues to dive into the dissection of DNA, I believe we will get better at predicting who will or will not get a particular disease.  As you know, this is already happening with breast cancer which has caused some women to move to a complete mastectomy prior to cancer showing up.  Now, I'd hate to think I would have asked to remove a kidney prior to my diagnosis, but it's possible.  I know there is a lot of work in the science world for post-diagnosis, but we also have to understand that just as much work is occuring around the pre-diagnosis stage.  Until the science world gets really really good at both ends of this, I just mark it up to bad luck.

    Stub

  • Heyker
    Heyker Member Posts: 36
    edited September 2016 #3
    I have

    I have Hashimotos disease. Diagnosed about 6 years ago. I also have essential thrombocytosis which means I have a high platelet count. I have wondered myself if autoimmune has had a role in cancer.

    Kerry 

  • Jan4you
    Jan4you Member Posts: 1,330 Member
    I have an autoimmune dissease

    I have an autoimmune dissease and RCC which to me is GONE now with surgery.

    However, the point is if we do not keep our immune system healthy, watch the chemicals we put in our bodies, then INFLAMMATION, coupled with weakened immune system, and  you will see DIS-EASE!

    If there is GOUT=inflammation out of control.

    If there is GERD or any gut-type symtpoms, shows our immune system is reacting to the types of foods we eat=American diet.

    BTW Icemantoo, I have many of the syptoms of Sjogrens but not the markers. It is called SICCA syndrome and the symptoms are treatable with Restasis (for eyes) Pilocarpine (for dry mouth) and mineral oil for ears.

    Jan

  • daisybud
    daisybud Member Posts: 541 Member
    Jan4you said:

    I have an autoimmune dissease

    I have an autoimmune dissease and RCC which to me is GONE now with surgery.

    However, the point is if we do not keep our immune system healthy, watch the chemicals we put in our bodies, then INFLAMMATION, coupled with weakened immune system, and  you will see DIS-EASE!

    If there is GOUT=inflammation out of control.

    If there is GERD or any gut-type symtpoms, shows our immune system is reacting to the types of foods we eat=American diet.

    BTW Icemantoo, I have many of the syptoms of Sjogrens but not the markers. It is called SICCA syndrome and the symptoms are treatable with Restasis (for eyes) Pilocarpine (for dry mouth) and mineral oil for ears.

    Jan

    I am having

    I am having an ultrasound Friday  for a nodule and also having blood work for thyroid next week.

    Interesting 

    Kim

  • stub1969
    stub1969 Member Posts: 966 Member
    Thyroid nodule

    Good luck on the US, Daisy.  As I'm sure you know, nodules on the thyroid is pretty common. 

     

    Stub

  • hardo718
    hardo718 Member Posts: 853 Member
    Good question Iceman

    Just last week my doctor ordered labs looking for thyroid auto immune disorders, the 2 biggies being Hashimoto's and Graves.  Happy to say my tests came back negative.  I have a history of a thyroid nodule that seems to be acting up.  I'm told nodule's are fairly common but more are better and my previous ultrasounds & biopsies only show one and it's 1.6 cm.  Yesterday I had an ultrasound and needless to say I'm in the midst of anxiety.....what do you can it when it's not related to a scan?....can't call it scanxiety, maybe ultraxiety? 

    Donna~

  • Footstomper
    Footstomper Member Posts: 1,237 Member
    I'll ask the wife

    She's a viral oncologist who started working on AIDS in the 80's and then an Aids related Cancer Karposys Sarcoma. I may have just answered your question. She might not answer,because it might be too big a question, or the wrong question,or she might just be busy.

  • Footstomper
    Footstomper Member Posts: 1,237 Member
    edited September 2016 #9
    I asked the Mrs Phd one of the best in the field

    Her reply was brief, and here it is in full "I’ve never seen anything to suggest that in the literature"

  • Footstomper
    Footstomper Member Posts: 1,237 Member
    edited September 2016 #10
    Mrs Stomper Phd, has sent a link

    I usually read the introduction, then the discussion, then flick through the rest to see if anything jumps out at me, but looking at the title and provenance this paper might be more accessable..

  • sw.bwgroup
    sw.bwgroup Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2016 #11
    Connection between auto immune and RCC

    My husband was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis (an auto immune disease) 15 years ago. He had bad initial symptoms but has been symptom free for the last 13 years. He has had trouble with gout for the past 3 or 4 years. His diagnosis of stage IV RCC came a few months ago. He had no apparent symptoms and it was found incidentally after an accident. I personally do wonder if there is a connection. Would love to learn more.

  • icemantoo
    icemantoo Member Posts: 3,361 Member
    Follow up

    Had a follow up with a Rhumetologist.

    No auto immune suspected. A few days later diagnosed with Pnemonia after being ill  for weeks. Now trying to recover. Have lost about 25 pounds over the last couple of months. No fun at 73 years young.

     

     

    Icemantoo

  • lobbyist0724
    lobbyist0724 Member Posts: 515 Member
    edited October 2016 #13
    Cancer = Immune Disease

    I read some literatures from a few wellknown professors/oncologists from Japan, and they believe cancer itself is a product from a weaken or malfunction immune system. Mutated cell is supposed to be destroy by the T-cells naturally, it becomes tumor because the immune system failed to identify the mutated cells and sometimes even helping those cells to grow. Auto immune disease happens when the immune system being over reacted, it can also be a side effect from immunotherapy. In Japan, some hospital use herbal med to boost the patients' immune system before and after surgery to fight against the disease along side with other treatments. That's the resaon if the immunotherapy is responding well to a patient, useful the effect will last.

  • lobbyist0724
    lobbyist0724 Member Posts: 515 Member
    edited October 2016 #14
    icemantoo said:

    Follow up

    Had a follow up with a Rhumetologist.

    No auto immune suspected. A few days later diagnosed with Pnemonia after being ill  for weeks. Now trying to recover. Have lost about 25 pounds over the last couple of months. No fun at 73 years young.

     

     

    Icemantoo

    Chicken broth

    Do try to gain it back slowly, chicken broth works for me.

    Hope you recover soon!

  • Footstomper
    Footstomper Member Posts: 1,237 Member
    edited October 2016 #15

    Cancer = Immune Disease

    I read some literatures from a few wellknown professors/oncologists from Japan, and they believe cancer itself is a product from a weaken or malfunction immune system. Mutated cell is supposed to be destroy by the T-cells naturally, it becomes tumor because the immune system failed to identify the mutated cells and sometimes even helping those cells to grow. Auto immune disease happens when the immune system being over reacted, it can also be a side effect from immunotherapy. In Japan, some hospital use herbal med to boost the patients' immune system before and after surgery to fight against the disease along side with other treatments. That's the resaon if the immunotherapy is responding well to a patient, useful the effect will last.

    I really would trust my Mrs (PhD)

    She runs a immunological lab (in the USA, having been headhunted from the UK) and is respected around the world. Have a look at the link she shared.

  • lobbyist0724
    lobbyist0724 Member Posts: 515 Member
    edited October 2016 #16

    I really would trust my Mrs (PhD)

    She runs a immunological lab (in the USA, having been headhunted from the UK) and is respected around the world. Have a look at the link she shared.

    Thanks for the link. It is

    Thanks for the link. It is great to have a specialist at home, I can only rely on Internet when I have questions :) Of course now I have everybody here to help out.

  • Talmidah
    Talmidah Member Posts: 25
    edited November 2016 #17
    I appreciate that the evidence is sketchy but...

    I come from a family where both auto-immune disorders (thyroid, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) and cancer are ubiquitous, across many generations.  I am one of several family members who have both diseases.  There is an environmental component (we were exposed to some of the same triggers) as well as a genetic component (the genetic vulnerability to a trigger).   I would like to say that it's a coincidence.  If it is the case, how do we know which gene(s) create the vulnerability and which environmental factors are the triggers?  How do we change either genetics or environment to decrease morbidity and mortality for those of use at risk?

  • Jan4you
    Jan4you Member Posts: 1,330 Member
    icemantoo said:

    Follow up

    Had a follow up with a Rhumetologist.

    No auto immune suspected. A few days later diagnosed with Pnemonia after being ill  for weeks. Now trying to recover. Have lost about 25 pounds over the last couple of months. No fun at 73 years young.

     

     

    Icemantoo

    Aww so sorry to have missed 

    Aww so sorry to have missed  this post... are you better yet?

    Hugs, Jan