Question about Surgery

lal_njl
lal_njl Member Posts: 13

Good Morning,

I received my surgery date of January 18th for the partial (or perhaps radical) neph and Cholecystectomy

Question - this will be an open procedure:  does anyone know if it is stitched shut or do they use staples?

Is one better then the other?  I have read a lot, but have never seen anything about this.

Doctor told me to expect a 8 to 10 inch inscision.  Does that sound right?

It doesnt matter really, lol, but I am just curious.  Smile

Thanks!

 

Comments

  • foxhd
    foxhd Member Posts: 3,181 Member
    closure

    It is all the surgeons preference. It can be dependent on your skin thickness, durability, subcutaneous fat pad, incision location and more. Staples are fast and easy to remove. Stitches have to each be sewn and removed. It is amazing that having staples sounds painful. They aren't. Heck nowadays I see people with more piercings than you'll have staples. Just a minor pinch when they are popped out.

  • icemantoo
    icemantoo Member Posts: 3,361 Member
    foxhd said:

    closure

    It is all the surgeons preference. It can be dependent on your skin thickness, durability, subcutaneous fat pad, incision location and more. Staples are fast and easy to remove. Stitches have to each be sewn and removed. It is amazing that having staples sounds painful. They aren't. Heck nowadays I see people with more piercings than you'll have staples. Just a minor pinch when they are popped out.

    More than one way to skin a cat

    lal,

     

    Sorry these preferences are above my pay grade. You being so much younger than I was when I had my neph. should pull throgh this with flying colors. Hope my surgical terms are taken with a grain of salt.

     

     

    Icemantoo

  • cakelady
    cakelady Member Posts: 63
    Just done did this.

    John has his done Monday.  Kidney, adrenal, buncha lymph nodes, and they opened him up further to check his liver and colon.  He has about 18" of staples.  It looks worse than it is because he had another scar about 12" long from being robbed and stabbed years ago, so they cut along the same one to save his muscles from worse damage and to cut down on scar tissue.  He said the cut isn't bothering him at all, but the spot around his back, where the tumor was pressing against a major muscle and some nerves, is killing him. He said it if wasn't for the back, he'd be good to go.

    Staples are fairly small, much smaller than the ones he had years ago, and will be out in two weeks.

    Good luck with the surgery; he had no issues, was in and out about as fast as could be.  I can shoot you a picture if you want.

  • 8-10" is about the size of

    8-10" is about the size of the incision I have from my open procedure.  I recall that I had stitches that dissolved.  Good luck with the surgery.  I am getting my 1.5 year scans/chest x-ray on the same day of your surgery.  For your recovery at home, you don't absolutely need one, but I spent a lot of time in a recliner, including sleeping for 1-2 weeks after surgery.  I sleep on my stomach, and I was more comfortable this way.  Also, my hospital gave me a sneeze/cough pillow, which was nice to have to put pressure on the incision whenever I had to sneeze/cough.  The anticipation of the operation was much, much worse than the actual procedure and recovery.  It was really a breeze.  Good luck!

  • lal_njl
    lal_njl Member Posts: 13
    foxhd said:

    closure

    It is all the surgeons preference. It can be dependent on your skin thickness, durability, subcutaneous fat pad, incision location and more. Staples are fast and easy to remove. Stitches have to each be sewn and removed. It is amazing that having staples sounds painful. They aren't. Heck nowadays I see people with more piercings than you'll have staples. Just a minor pinch when they are popped out.

    FOXHD : Piercings!

    lol love the comment about the piercings!   Made me smile!  Thanks!

  • lal_njl
    lal_njl Member Posts: 13
    icemantoo said:

    More than one way to skin a cat

    lal,

     

    Sorry these preferences are above my pay grade. You being so much younger than I was when I had my neph. should pull throgh this with flying colors. Hope my surgical terms are taken with a grain of salt.

     

     

    Icemantoo

    Icemantoo : Thank you!

    I appreciate your comments Smile

  • lal_njl
    lal_njl Member Posts: 13
    cakelady said:

    Just done did this.

    John has his done Monday.  Kidney, adrenal, buncha lymph nodes, and they opened him up further to check his liver and colon.  He has about 18" of staples.  It looks worse than it is because he had another scar about 12" long from being robbed and stabbed years ago, so they cut along the same one to save his muscles from worse damage and to cut down on scar tissue.  He said the cut isn't bothering him at all, but the spot around his back, where the tumor was pressing against a major muscle and some nerves, is killing him. He said it if wasn't for the back, he'd be good to go.

    Staples are fairly small, much smaller than the ones he had years ago, and will be out in two weeks.

    Good luck with the surgery; he had no issues, was in and out about as fast as could be.  I can shoot you a picture if you want.

    CAKELADY: Glad he is doing well!

    I hope I can bounce back just as quick as it sounds he is!  If you want to share the picture, I am good with that.

  • lal_njl
    lal_njl Member Posts: 13

    8-10" is about the size of

    8-10" is about the size of the incision I have from my open procedure.  I recall that I had stitches that dissolved.  Good luck with the surgery.  I am getting my 1.5 year scans/chest x-ray on the same day of your surgery.  For your recovery at home, you don't absolutely need one, but I spent a lot of time in a recliner, including sleeping for 1-2 weeks after surgery.  I sleep on my stomach, and I was more comfortable this way.  Also, my hospital gave me a sneeze/cough pillow, which was nice to have to put pressure on the incision whenever I had to sneeze/cough.  The anticipation of the operation was much, much worse than the actual procedure and recovery.  It was really a breeze.  Good luck!

    Good luck with your scan!

    i will probably be in my recliner for a few weeks I am sure!  I tend to fall asleep in it each night after dinner already! 

    I have never had any surgeries prior to this.  Child birth is about the extent of my knowledge of any form of discomfort, and that was pretty easy!

  • Jan4you
    Jan4you Member Posts: 1,330 Member
    lal_njl said:

    Good luck with your scan!

    i will probably be in my recliner for a few weeks I am sure!  I tend to fall asleep in it each night after dinner already! 

    I have never had any surgeries prior to this.  Child birth is about the extent of my knowledge of any form of discomfort, and that was pretty easy!

    Well, lal_njl, you seem to be

    Well, lal_njl, you seem to be well prepared with a realistic attitude. Good for you.

    I have had several abdominal surgeries but that last two I wore a lumbar, velcro support wrap. It is for low back pain, but both surgeons stated it was okay for support following surgery. I also placed a dry ice block inside (over clothing) to help with the swelling from incisional area. It helped so much I  hardly need any pain meds after awhile.

    Stay AHEAD of the pain by getting on a pain med schedule for awhile. Don't try to be brave. Many folks get constipated from Pain meds. I  rather use other non-opiates if I can but you may need them initially. I used Tramadol (narcotic but not an opiate) and then Gabapentin which I was on anyways. It is an anti-seizure med now used for nerve pain.

    The "velcro wrap" helped me GET UP and down more  easily. It helped when I walked too. I even wore it to bed. I didn't have a recliner.

    Maybe Fox can tell you the proper way of getting UP after surgery. I would hold my stomach IN, take a breath and let it out as I got up. But I use the "lamaze" childbirth breathing technique for everything.

    The RNs will get you UP the usually the same day, just to stand, then eventually to make it to a chair to prevent blood clots from forming. Walking is helpful.

    You can DM me if you want more information.

    I'll be thinking of you, and hope to hear how you are doing.

    Glad you found us!

    Jan

  • mrou50
    mrou50 Member Posts: 389 Member
    Lal

    First of all good luck with the surgery, when I had mine done I was left with a scar that was about 12 inches and I had staples, but they did not hurt when they came out. I was in the hospital for five days and then home for about three months of recovery.  I went for a walk on first day home because at that time I was in great shape, I walked about a mile and it took me an hour and a half, my doctor told me not to do it again until he said it was good, and my wife yelled at me too.  I was given good meds to deal with the pain but I did not need them after my first day at home.  You should be fine just take it real easy and record lots of shows because day time tv is horrible.

     

    Mark

  • AndyE
    AndyE Member Posts: 51
    I had a partial nephrectomy

    I had a partial nephrectomy last year, and the surgeon chose an open procedure.  The incision was stitched through the various layers of muscle, the skin was then glued, and staples were placed over the incision.  You will most likely also have a drain tube in your side and a second smaller incision.  Once the tube was removed, they just butterfly taped it closed and badaged it.  It is not a fun surgery from which to recover, as if any surgery truly is, but it is managable if you take your pain meds and don't overdo it.  Good luck and keep us posted.

  • APny
    APny Member Posts: 1,995 Member
    AndyE said:

    I had a partial nephrectomy

    I had a partial nephrectomy last year, and the surgeon chose an open procedure.  The incision was stitched through the various layers of muscle, the skin was then glued, and staples were placed over the incision.  You will most likely also have a drain tube in your side and a second smaller incision.  Once the tube was removed, they just butterfly taped it closed and badaged it.  It is not a fun surgery from which to recover, as if any surgery truly is, but it is managable if you take your pain meds and don't overdo it.  Good luck and keep us posted.

    My partial was also open and

    My partial was also open and it was taped, no staples. I imagine there were internal disolving stitches, but nothing visible outside. Once the tape came off there was a thin hairline scar about 5 inches that's now barely visible close to two years out. I was lucky and could sleep in my own bed and didn't need the recliner. Hope your recovery is as uneventful and easy as mine was. Wishing you all the very best!

  • hardo718
    hardo718 Member Posts: 853 Member
    Mine was with the daVinci robot (laparascopic)

    My stitches were all internal and then glue external with Steri-strips over that.  My abdomen now looks like I have 5 belly buttons instead of one!  Now that I'm 3+ years out, I've gotten use to the way I look and feel quite unique.  :-)  Bikini days are over.  Just kidding, I'm 62 and haven't been in a bikini for a while now.   Not sure if open vs closed is "better", sometimes it has to do more with the location of the mass and the comfort level of your surgeon.  Oh wait, maybe you were referring to stitches vs staples?  Either one, you'll feel little pinches when they are being removed.  In the grand scheme, no big deal.  Usually you'll have a couple of drains placed as well.  Again, not the most comfortable thing to have removed when the time is right, but you'll get through it.

    I have been in the medical field for 30+ years, most of that time as a Respiratory Therapist.  My biggest pet peave is that most hospitals don't give their incoming surgical patients an Incentive Spirometer to practice with before surgery.  This is something that will encourage you to do deep breathing exercises after surgery, to prevent pneumonia from setting in by increasing your lung volumes.  When we are sedate and in pain we tend to breathe more shallow, not good for our lungs.  Of course I got my hands on one of these devices before surgery (which they usually send patients home with post-op) and was able to inhale a volume of approximately 4000cc.  If I hadn't known that before my surgery I would not have had a target to work towards post surgery.  Initially after surgery I could only achieve about 1000cc!  Big difference, so I knew I had some work to do. If they don't give you one pre-surgery, ask for it. (I did mention this fact to hospital management and got no where, they just kept referring to the expense involved)

    Other things I learned, (the hard way) heed your discharge instructions.  After 2 weeks, I was still pretty weak but feeling better and I hate laying around so I decided to do some laundry.  Not a good idea.  That night I ended up in the ER due to excruiating pain and had a set back.  I thought I was taking it easy, one item of clothing at a time, I was wrong. 

    I'll keep you in my prayers.  Best wishes and I hope your recovery goes well.  Let others do for you and enjoy your books, movies, puzzles or whatever your preference is.

     

  • APny
    APny Member Posts: 1,995 Member
    hardo718 said:

    Mine was with the daVinci robot (laparascopic)

    My stitches were all internal and then glue external with Steri-strips over that.  My abdomen now looks like I have 5 belly buttons instead of one!  Now that I'm 3+ years out, I've gotten use to the way I look and feel quite unique.  :-)  Bikini days are over.  Just kidding, I'm 62 and haven't been in a bikini for a while now.   Not sure if open vs closed is "better", sometimes it has to do more with the location of the mass and the comfort level of your surgeon.  Oh wait, maybe you were referring to stitches vs staples?  Either one, you'll feel little pinches when they are being removed.  In the grand scheme, no big deal.  Usually you'll have a couple of drains placed as well.  Again, not the most comfortable thing to have removed when the time is right, but you'll get through it.

    I have been in the medical field for 30+ years, most of that time as a Respiratory Therapist.  My biggest pet peave is that most hospitals don't give their incoming surgical patients an Incentive Spirometer to practice with before surgery.  This is something that will encourage you to do deep breathing exercises after surgery, to prevent pneumonia from setting in by increasing your lung volumes.  When we are sedate and in pain we tend to breathe more shallow, not good for our lungs.  Of course I got my hands on one of these devices before surgery (which they usually send patients home with post-op) and was able to inhale a volume of approximately 4000cc.  If I hadn't known that before my surgery I would not have had a target to work towards post surgery.  Initially after surgery I could only achieve about 1000cc!  Big difference, so I knew I had some work to do. If they don't give you one pre-surgery, ask for it. (I did mention this fact to hospital management and got no where, they just kept referring to the expense involved)

    Other things I learned, (the hard way) heed your discharge instructions.  After 2 weeks, I was still pretty weak but feeling better and I hate laying around so I decided to do some laundry.  Not a good idea.  That night I ended up in the ER due to excruiating pain and had a set back.  I thought I was taking it easy, one item of clothing at a time, I was wrong. 

    I'll keep you in my prayers.  Best wishes and I hope your recovery goes well.  Let others do for you and enjoy your books, movies, puzzles or whatever your preference is.

     

    Hardo, you are so right about

    Hardo, you are so right about the Spirometer. They did give me one to use prior to surgery. He also told me to walk 40 minutes a day minimum, which I did. Both were extremely helpful in my subsequent recovery. So yes, definitely ask for the Spirometer and walk as much as possible both before and after surgery.

  • medic1971
    medic1971 Member Posts: 225 Member
    Go for the hat trick!

    Kidney and gallbladder at the same time?  Have your doctor go for a hat trick and get your appendix out too Cool

     

    That incision size sounds right to me and I can almost guarantee that you will have staples.  You will definitely have some internal stiches and you might even have a drain.  Of course you will be sore so really watch what you eat until heal up.  After having my gallbladder out I had some issues with dumping syndrome when I ate foods that were high in fat. So that meant that I had to get to the bathroom quickly when I felt the urge.  I suspect that getting up and down may take a bit more time for a few weeks after you get home. 

     

    When I was discussing surgical options for my tumor with my doctor he told me something that struck me very profoundly, he said "weather I do it open or robotically, in six months you won't care how I did it."  

     

    Good luck to you and let us know how it goes.  

     

    Jason 

  • lal_njl
    lal_njl Member Posts: 13
    Thank you!

    Thank you everyone for answering the mudane questions and sharing your expieriences!  I am very happy I found this forum so soon in my timeline.

    I have surgery on Monday, and I know i will be fine.  I am dreading it none the less though!  I will send an update while I am holed up in the hospital next week!

     

    Loved the comment about the hat trick BTW!  I wish they would take it out so I never have to experience that!!

     

    LAL