EC IV survivors

Hey everyone,

my dad was recently diagnosed with stage 4 EC mets to liver, he's starting chemo tomorrow, herceptin, cistplatin and xeloda (5fu). Although he doesn't know it, I'm terrified! He has such a positive attitude which is great... surgery and radiation are not an option. Is there anyone here in a similar situation that's a survivor of this horrible disease?? Really need some positive stories, what alternatives did you try, diet, cannabis oil, mistletoe, anything?

Thanks in advance, Claire

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  • paul61
    paul61 Member Posts: 1,391 Member
    You will find Stage 4 survivors here

    Claire,

    You will find Stage 4 survivors here. Some of them follow special diet alternatives, and some alternative homeopathic treatments like cannabis or mushroom extract, or special teas; almost always as an addition to standard medical treatment; and in cooperation with their oncologist. I see your Dad is scheduled for Herceptin so I assume his tumor has been tested and has been found to be HER2 positive. There are a number of survivors here who have had good success with monoclonal antibody based treatments.

    It looks like your Dad’s oncologist is following the standard NCCN protocol for esophageal cancer in an HER2 positive patient so it looks like he is in the right place.

    Unfortunately there are no guarantees for those of us who are EC survivors. We learn to take each day as a gift, that there will be some good days and some not so good days. We learn to ignore statistics because all of us are different and respond to treatment in different ways.  

    It looks like your Dad is fortunate to have the love and support of a loving daughter who wants to understand his journey and offer her best support.

    You will find an excellent resource for EC staging and treatment here: http://www.nccn.org/patients/guidelines/esophageal/index.html

    Best Regards,

    Paul Adams

    McCormick, South Carolina

    DX 10/2009 T2N1M0  Stage IIB - Ivor Lewis Surgery  12/3/2009 - Post Surgery Chemotherapy 2/2009 – 6/2009

     

    Cisplatin, Epirubicin, 5 FU - Four Year Survivor

  • Cobbins
    Cobbins Member Posts: 10
    paul61 said:

    You will find Stage 4 survivors here

    Claire,

    You will find Stage 4 survivors here. Some of them follow special diet alternatives, and some alternative homeopathic treatments like cannabis or mushroom extract, or special teas; almost always as an addition to standard medical treatment; and in cooperation with their oncologist. I see your Dad is scheduled for Herceptin so I assume his tumor has been tested and has been found to be HER2 positive. There are a number of survivors here who have had good success with monoclonal antibody based treatments.

    It looks like your Dad’s oncologist is following the standard NCCN protocol for esophageal cancer in an HER2 positive patient so it looks like he is in the right place.

    Unfortunately there are no guarantees for those of us who are EC survivors. We learn to take each day as a gift, that there will be some good days and some not so good days. We learn to ignore statistics because all of us are different and respond to treatment in different ways.  

    It looks like your Dad is fortunate to have the love and support of a loving daughter who wants to understand his journey and offer her best support.

    You will find an excellent resource for EC staging and treatment here: http://www.nccn.org/patients/guidelines/esophageal/index.html

    Best Regards,

    Paul Adams

    McCormick, South Carolina

    DX 10/2009 T2N1M0  Stage IIB - Ivor Lewis Surgery  12/3/2009 - Post Surgery Chemotherapy 2/2009 – 6/2009

     

    Cisplatin, Epirubicin, 5 FU - Four Year Survivor

    Thanks Paul

    Hi Paul, thanks for the reply and the link. 

    Yeah my dad tested positive for HER2 and hopefully he will respond well, just looking for something else to try so he can beat it!

    Well done to you for beating such a horrible disease, I wish you many many more years or survival!:) 

    I'll have a good look through here to find the alternatives, thanks again, Claire

     

  • Deathorglory
    Deathorglory Member Posts: 364 Member
    Stage IV

    Hello Claire,

     

    Sorry to hear of your dad's diagnosis.  Unfortunately, it is completely reasonable to feel terrified.  This is serious, scary stuff you guys are dealing with.  I was initially dignosed in 2008 with Stage III EC.  I received chemo, radiation, surgery and then more chemo.  I had a "complete response" and tested cancer free for a couple of years.  In late 2011, I was diagnosed with a recurrence that had metastasized to my left lung.  I was told that radiation and surgery were not options and that my life expectancy was about 7-8 months.  I was set up for chemo (folfox) and I was possibly going to go for a clinical trial as well.  It turned out that I tested HER2/NEU+ and herceptin was going to replace any clinical trial.  I got set up for 12 biweekly rounds of folfox and 24 weekly rounds of herceptin.  Turned out that I had a great response to the treatment.  After finishing that 24 week course, I tested cancer free.  Because using herceptin for GE Junction cancers was brand new at the time (it had just been FDA approved a couple of months before I started), my doctor wasn't sure what to do at that point.  We discussed options and decided to continue with the weekly herceptin.  I still get it every Tuesday and I'm still testing cancer free.  While there's no research to support a cause/effect relationship there, there's also no evidence to suggest there isn't one either.  So we have a don't fix what's not broken mindset about it.  In my case, I believe that herceptin has been a complete game changer.  Unfortunately, there's not 10,000 more of me that would allow some statistically significant research to be done.

     

    With respect to alternative therapies, I'm not a big fan of them.  The success stories are at best anecdotal.  I just can't believe that my doctor wouldn't tell me if blueberries really cured cancer.  That said, my doctor mentioned that she saw a study that showed taking a daily aspirin improved outcomes and told me to try it because "it can't hurt anything."  So I've been doing that.  No idea if it's helped, but it hasn't hurt, so....

     

    Wishing all the best to your family,

     

    Ed

  • Cobbins
    Cobbins Member Posts: 10

    Stage IV

    Hello Claire,

     

    Sorry to hear of your dad's diagnosis.  Unfortunately, it is completely reasonable to feel terrified.  This is serious, scary stuff you guys are dealing with.  I was initially dignosed in 2008 with Stage III EC.  I received chemo, radiation, surgery and then more chemo.  I had a "complete response" and tested cancer free for a couple of years.  In late 2011, I was diagnosed with a recurrence that had metastasized to my left lung.  I was told that radiation and surgery were not options and that my life expectancy was about 7-8 months.  I was set up for chemo (folfox) and I was possibly going to go for a clinical trial as well.  It turned out that I tested HER2/NEU+ and herceptin was going to replace any clinical trial.  I got set up for 12 biweekly rounds of folfox and 24 weekly rounds of herceptin.  Turned out that I had a great response to the treatment.  After finishing that 24 week course, I tested cancer free.  Because using herceptin for GE Junction cancers was brand new at the time (it had just been FDA approved a couple of months before I started), my doctor wasn't sure what to do at that point.  We discussed options and decided to continue with the weekly herceptin.  I still get it every Tuesday and I'm still testing cancer free.  While there's no research to support a cause/effect relationship there, there's also no evidence to suggest there isn't one either.  So we have a don't fix what's not broken mindset about it.  In my case, I believe that herceptin has been a complete game changer.  Unfortunately, there's not 10,000 more of me that would allow some statistically significant research to be done.

     

    With respect to alternative therapies, I'm not a big fan of them.  The success stories are at best anecdotal.  I just can't believe that my doctor wouldn't tell me if blueberries really cured cancer.  That said, my doctor mentioned that she saw a study that showed taking a daily aspirin improved outcomes and told me to try it because "it can't hurt anything."  So I've been doing that.  No idea if it's helped, but it hasn't hurt, so....

     

    Wishing all the best to your family,

     

    Ed

    Thanks Ed

    Thanks for responding Ed!

    I did read something on aspirin, I must look into that more... I've read so much at this point I can't contain it all :)

    So happy the herceptin worked so well for you, hopefully it will work as well for my dad, thank you for sharing your story :)

    Claire

  • Joel C
    Joel C Member Posts: 174
    Cobbins said:

    Thanks Ed

    Thanks for responding Ed!

    I did read something on aspirin, I must look into that more... I've read so much at this point I can't contain it all :)

    So happy the herceptin worked so well for you, hopefully it will work as well for my dad, thank you for sharing your story :)

    Claire

    Claire,

     

    I was diagnosed stage 2B in 7/2010 followed by chemo, radiation and MIE.  In 8/2011 the cancer was back in distant nodes (stage 4).  The worst one of nine nodes was removed because it was on my aorta and the remaining 8 were left for follow up chemo (EOX).  I only made it through 2 of the 5 suggested treatments.  I had to stop because of an allergic reaction to the chemo and I had pretty much had enough.  Three years later I still have 8 suspicious nodes but there has been no real change since 2011.  The only change I made was after the recurrence is I started using cannabis.  I just take a few hits every afternoon before supper.  I don’t know if the cannabis has helped to keep the cancer from spreading but I know for sure it has helped with appetite, digestion, reflux and pain. Unfortunately once you are stage 4 the cancer cannot be cured but it can be treated and sometimes for years.

     

    Good luck,

    Joel

  • ebawa
    ebawa Member Posts: 38
    EC IV survivors

     

    Hello Claire,

    I was diagnosed stage III in 2/11.  I had 26 radiation sessions while on 5FU and Cisplatin.  during that treatment it spread to my liver and I was then stage IV.  I then (after testing positive for HER2) did a second regiment of Chemo (Docetaxel & Irinotecan).  In Oct 2011 I had another Endoscopy and CT scan and both were clear.  I have been NED for almost three years now.  I juice, drink essiac tea and do H2O2 therapy every day.  My doctors recommended surgery to me but I have elected not to do it.  Instead, I eat well, juice, drink essiac tea, do H2O2 therapy every day and pray.

    Take care,

    Alan

  • Cobbins
    Cobbins Member Posts: 10
    ebawa said:

    EC IV survivors

     

    Hello Claire,

    I was diagnosed stage III in 2/11.  I had 26 radiation sessions while on 5FU and Cisplatin.  during that treatment it spread to my liver and I was then stage IV.  I then (after testing positive for HER2) did a second regiment of Chemo (Docetaxel & Irinotecan).  In Oct 2011 I had another Endoscopy and CT scan and both were clear.  I have been NED for almost three years now.  I juice, drink essiac tea and do H2O2 therapy every day.  My doctors recommended surgery to me but I have elected not to do it.  Instead, I eat well, juice, drink essiac tea, do H2O2 therapy every day and pray.

    Take care,

    Alan

    Joel and Alan

    Joel and Alan, thank you for sharing your stories. everyones story has given me great hope...

    although, Alan, I am curious, why have the doctors suggested surgery if you are cancer free? Am I right in thinking that NED is no evidence of disease?

    Claire

  • ebawa
    ebawa Member Posts: 38
    Cobbins said:

    Joel and Alan

    Joel and Alan, thank you for sharing your stories. everyones story has given me great hope...

    although, Alan, I am curious, why have the doctors suggested surgery if you are cancer free? Am I right in thinking that NED is no evidence of disease?

    Claire

    EC IV survivors

     

    Hello Claire,

    Usually stage IV patients are not candidates for EC surgery.  In my case because I responded so well to the Chemo and radiation my doctors recommended I have it.  Most doctors that treat EC recommend surgery to remove the area around where the tumors were.  From the research I did, I chose not to have surgery and instead continue to fight the cancer holistically.

    Take care,

     

    Alan

     

  • Cobbins
    Cobbins Member Posts: 10
    ebawa said:

    EC IV survivors

     

    Hello Claire,

    Usually stage IV patients are not candidates for EC surgery.  In my case because I responded so well to the Chemo and radiation my doctors recommended I have it.  Most doctors that treat EC recommend surgery to remove the area around where the tumors were.  From the research I did, I chose not to have surgery and instead continue to fight the cancer holistically.

    Take care,

     

    Alan

     

    Half Way Mark

    Good news - Dad is half way through his chemo and the tumours are shrinking!!!! :) unfortunately we have been inundated with news of cancer within our family over the last few weeks, including my mam, she has lung cancer with mets to brain. thankfully they were able to remove the tumour in her brain and are hopefully starting radiotherapy next week, she will be going for a PET scan soon also and they will then decide on the treatment for her lung, hopefully she will respond  to treatment as well as my dad has.

    Thanks CSN for the hopeful, mood boosting stories, just having a read on here some days really helped me see the light! :)

  • g041579
    g041579 Member Posts: 18
    Cobbins said:

    Half Way Mark

    Good news - Dad is half way through his chemo and the tumours are shrinking!!!! :) unfortunately we have been inundated with news of cancer within our family over the last few weeks, including my mam, she has lung cancer with mets to brain. thankfully they were able to remove the tumour in her brain and are hopefully starting radiotherapy next week, she will be going for a PET scan soon also and they will then decide on the treatment for her lung, hopefully she will respond  to treatment as well as my dad has.

    Thanks CSN for the hopeful, mood boosting stories, just having a read on here some days really helped me see the light! :)

    cannabinoid

    Here is a link to some helpful imformation on cannabinoids.

     

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/68/2/339.full

  • Cobbins
    Cobbins Member Posts: 10
    g041579 said:

    cannabinoid

    Here is a link to some helpful imformation on cannabinoids.

     

    http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/68/2/339.full

    Thanks for the link, they are

    Thanks for the link, they are already on the oil, I'm a big believer that the cure lies there. My mam has another scan before she starts conventional therapy so who knows what that will show? 

     

  • g041579
    g041579 Member Posts: 18
    Cobbins said:

    Thanks for the link, they are

    Thanks for the link, they are already on the oil, I'm a big believer that the cure lies there. My mam has another scan before she starts conventional therapy so who knows what that will show? 

     

    That's great news

    That's great news, The oil will help with the cancer and your over all health.