Re-bound growth after Avastin therapy?

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LaundryQueen
LaundryQueen Member Posts: 676
I found & copied the following post on the Inspire discussion board and don't know the original source of it.

Is anyone knowledgable about this information?

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Serum (testing human serum derived from colon cancer patients who had either been treated with chemotherapy alone or with chemotherapy + Avastin) from Avastin-treated patients actually support endothelial cell growth in cell culture better than serum from control patients, without Avastin treatment.

The serum from patients treated with Avastin supports more rapid re-growth of endothelial cells than did serum from patients who weren't treated with Avastin. This implies that the body is, indeed, cranking out more endothelial cell survival/growth factors in Avastin-treated patients. When you get rid of VEGF with Avastin, the body cranks out other types of blood vessel growth (survival) factors.

So, in regards to Avastin "rebound effect," it will take combination antivascular therapy to make a big difference, but this is definitely coming and it's the most promising thing on the near term therapeutic horizon.

The consistent and specific cure or control of cancer will require developing and using a set of drugs, given in combination, targeted to patterns of normal cellular machinery related to proliferation and invasiveness.

A sufficient number of independent methods of cell killing must be employed so that it is too improbable for a cancer cell to evolve that can escape death or inactivation. It must examine every cell in the body and must do so for a prolonged period of time.

Given the current state of the art, in vitro drug sensitivity testing could be of significant clinical value.

If an in vitro drug resistance test can demonstrate the presence of cancer cells that are resistant to a drug combination, then it is rational to use alternative therapy.

If an in vitro drug sensitivity test has the ability to demonstrate which drug combinations would be synergistic to cell death in all cancer cells present, then it is rational to use the drugs indicated in the test.

One aspect of a functional tumor cell profiling assay is that microvascular viability can measure dead microvascular cells in tissue, fluid and peripheral blood specimens to identify potential responders to anti-angiogenic drugs (Avastin, Nexavar, Sutent) and to assess direct and potentiating anti-angiogenic effects of tyrosine kinase targeted therapy drugs (Tarceva, Iressa).

Endothelial cells are present in tumor microclusters and drug effect upon these cells can be assessed in the microvascular viability assay. The "target" is not the cells themselves but rather a hormone (VEGF) secreted by the tumor cells. Anti-angiogenesis drugs complexes with free VEGF and blocks its action.

VEGF-receptor tyrosine kinases are expressed preferentially by endothelial cells of the growing neovasculature of a tumor and VEGF is a key survival (anti-apoptic) factor for the endothelial cells of newly formed vessels. There are several signalling pathways and molecular mechanisms by which VEGF can inhibit apoptosis (cell death) in endothelial cells.
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  • anicca
    anicca Member Posts: 334 Member
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    Thanks for posting.

    Thanks for posting.
  • LaundryQueen
    LaundryQueen Member Posts: 676
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    anicca said:

    Thanks for posting.

    Thanks for posting.

    combination therapy
    From what I could gather from the information above and also from Dr. Sabbatini's lecture on YouTube, that Avastin works better in combination with other meds that would suppress the other pathways for angiogenesis to occur. I have noticed that some women have been treated with Avastin in their first-time chemo.

    Dr. Sabbatini is the guy at Memorial Sloan-Kettering who is involved with the ovarian cancer vaccine and in his lecture he actually said "some people are cured" from their initial round of chemo. I think I like that guy!
  • Hissy_Fitz
    Hissy_Fitz Member Posts: 1,834
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    combination therapy
    From what I could gather from the information above and also from Dr. Sabbatini's lecture on YouTube, that Avastin works better in combination with other meds that would suppress the other pathways for angiogenesis to occur. I have noticed that some women have been treated with Avastin in their first-time chemo.

    Dr. Sabbatini is the guy at Memorial Sloan-Kettering who is involved with the ovarian cancer vaccine and in his lecture he actually said "some people are cured" from their initial round of chemo. I think I like that guy!

    I like him too! Dr S is a
    I like him too! Dr S is a dedicated research physician but I think he genuinely would love to make his mark more for the lives of the women it would impact than any personal gain.

    Dr S has several lectures on YouTube. Just do a search on there for "Paul Sabbatini".

    Some people - 15 to 20 percent- are indeed cured after first line chemo. I personally know a woman diagnosed at 3c some 12+ years ago who has not had a single recurrence. She was in the clinical trial for the Carbo/Taxol combo. She still has her CA125 checked twice a year. After 10 years NED she stopped the scans.

    Dr Sabbatini says I HAD cancer. Until a recurrence is confirmed, I don't HAVE cancer. His positive attitude is very inspiring.

    Carlene
  • kayandok
    kayandok Member Posts: 1,202 Member
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    I like him too! Dr S is a
    I like him too! Dr S is a dedicated research physician but I think he genuinely would love to make his mark more for the lives of the women it would impact than any personal gain.

    Dr S has several lectures on YouTube. Just do a search on there for "Paul Sabbatini".

    Some people - 15 to 20 percent- are indeed cured after first line chemo. I personally know a woman diagnosed at 3c some 12+ years ago who has not had a single recurrence. She was in the clinical trial for the Carbo/Taxol combo. She still has her CA125 checked twice a year. After 10 years NED she stopped the scans.

    Dr Sabbatini says I HAD cancer. Until a recurrence is confirmed, I don't HAVE cancer. His positive attitude is very inspiring.

    Carlene

    I wish that all doctors
    coul be as positive and give that kind of HOPE. The way we THINK definitely affects the way we FEEL, and hearing words of hope from our doctor is crucial to help us think in a positive direction. Thanks for the info, I will check him out on YouTube.
    k
  • kikz
    kikz Member Posts: 1,345 Member
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    kayandok said:

    I wish that all doctors
    coul be as positive and give that kind of HOPE. The way we THINK definitely affects the way we FEEL, and hearing words of hope from our doctor is crucial to help us think in a positive direction. Thanks for the info, I will check him out on YouTube.
    k

    I watched a speech
    of Dr. Sabbatini's last night and it brought me to tears. I was overwhelmed by the feeling that there is really good news out there for us. I don't really like to do much research like some of you seem to because the information generally brings me down but I am glad I saw this.

    Karen