Cancer is not a disease it's a survival mechanism

Nana b
Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I've just started reading this book and it's basically implying that chemo is killing thousands of people more so then the cancer itself. Anyone else read this book? I will continue reading on but already signals are coming in strong...maybe a compromised immune system is not such a good idea.
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  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    As I read more into thIs
    As I read more into thIs book, I find that it supports my thinking that most cancer patients were under a lot if stress a couple if years prior to DX. It states that most people who remove the stress, start fueling the body, and taking care of themselves go into remission, and people that rely only on chemo with no lifestyle change don't. Hmmm...


    The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo.
    Just wondering, how many people here were under extreme stress when diagnosed?

    Note. This is only one book, just sharing it's views. Please don't go and stop your chemo.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    Oh wow.
    The moral?
    "maybe a compromised immune system is not such a good idea. "


    What a shocking surprise!

    Life........ never seems to stop amazing me.

    </sarcasm>

     


    Best of health, ya'll.

    John
  • lizzydavis
    lizzydavis Member Posts: 893
    Nana b said:

    As I read more into thIs
    As I read more into thIs book, I find that it supports my thinking that most cancer patients were under a lot if stress a couple if years prior to DX. It states that most people who remove the stress, start fueling the body, and taking care of themselves go into remission, and people that rely only on chemo with no lifestyle change don't. Hmmm...


    The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo.
    Just wondering, how many people here were under extreme stress when diagnosed?

    Note. This is only one book, just sharing it's views. Please don't go and stop your chemo.

    My friend, Pam, died because the cancer wasn't caught in time.
    I was under less stress at that time than any other time of my life. I have been through many stressful situations in my life (death of parents, murder of sister, divorce, fractured c1 and c2, job issues, etc.) However, prior to my dx, I was under no unusual stress.

    -- My friend, Pam, died because the colon cancer wasn't caught in time. It had spread to her back, legs, liver and lungs. That is why -- when I had no symptoms - I went through the treatment as recommended. Only my opinion.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122
    Nana b said:

    As I read more into thIs
    As I read more into thIs book, I find that it supports my thinking that most cancer patients were under a lot if stress a couple if years prior to DX. It states that most people who remove the stress, start fueling the body, and taking care of themselves go into remission, and people that rely only on chemo with no lifestyle change don't. Hmmm...


    The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo.
    Just wondering, how many people here were under extreme stress when diagnosed?

    Note. This is only one book, just sharing it's views. Please don't go and stop your chemo.

    Say what?

    Re:
    "The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo."

    Give that book a toss towards the pail.

    Cancer kills when it displaces more good cells in an area that requires
    all those good cells. Let cancer take over a liver, and you die. Let it
    take over too many critical cells in the brain, and you die.... Pick an
    organ.....any organ...

    While it's true (and well documented), that the side effects of
    chemical therapy and radiation ends up damaging or killing "more"
    people than cancer manages to kill, "chemo" and radiation treatments
    do help many, many people remain alive in spite of cancer.

    For any writer to make a blanket statement, that cancer does not
    kill people at all, is ludicrous at the least. It renders anything further
    the writer has to say, as pure BS. I would personally give it a
    toss into the dumpster.

    (My $0.02)

    John
  • Annabelle41415
    Annabelle41415 Member Posts: 6,715 Member
    John23 said:

    Say what?

    Re:
    "The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo."

    Give that book a toss towards the pail.

    Cancer kills when it displaces more good cells in an area that requires
    all those good cells. Let cancer take over a liver, and you die. Let it
    take over too many critical cells in the brain, and you die.... Pick an
    organ.....any organ...

    While it's true (and well documented), that the side effects of
    chemical therapy and radiation ends up damaging or killing "more"
    people than cancer manages to kill, "chemo" and radiation treatments
    do help many, many people remain alive in spite of cancer.

    For any writer to make a blanket statement, that cancer does not
    kill people at all, is ludicrous at the least. It renders anything further
    the writer has to say, as pure BS. I would personally give it a
    toss into the dumpster.

    (My $0.02)

    John

    Ditto
    Totally agree with John. This author doesn't sound like he did much research on the subject. My .02 cents worth too.

    Kim
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    John23 said:

    Oh wow.
    The moral?
    "maybe a compromised immune system is not such a good idea. "


    What a shocking surprise!

    Life........ never seems to stop amazing me.

    </sarcasm>

     


    Best of health, ya'll.

    John
    I think I will keep reading,
    I think I will keep reading, you just don't know what one can learn...

    Cancer is Not a Disease - It's a Survival Mechanism by Andreas Mortiz

    Cancer is Not a DiseaseDid you know that 95% of all cancers appear and disappear on their own, and that treating them actually prevents them from being cured? The prominent cancer researcher and professor at the University of California, Dr. Hardin Jones, admitted: "Patients are as well, or better off, untreated....My studies have proven conclusively that cancer patients who refuse chemotherapy and radiation actually live up to four times longer than treated cases, including untreated breast cancer cases."

    In Cancer Is Not A Disease, bestselling author and internationally acclaimed health expert, Andreas Moritz, proves the point that cancer is not a separate illness, but the result of specific, identifiable causes. Removing these causes sets the precondition for the body, mind and emotions to become healed, meaning, whole again.

    Medical intervention, on the other hand, attempts to remove the symptoms of disease with almost complete disregard to their cause(s). This is not only unscientific and unethical, but also life endangering. Each year over 900,000 people in the U.S. lose their lives needlessly to medical treatment. Even one single dose of chemotherapy or radiation can be fatal for both the tumor and the patient. The success record of modern cancer therapy is dismal, even less than the weakest placebo response. On average, remission occurs in about 7% of all cancers, not because of, but despite these aggressive treatments.

    Learn how to deal with cancer is a much more sensible and effective way than trying to fight or destroy it.
    About the Author

    Andreas Moritz is one of the world's leading experts on Integrative Medicine. He is a medical intuitive; a practitioner of Ayurveda, iridology, shiatsu, and vibrational medicine; a writer; and an artist. Born in southwest Germany in 1954, Moritz had to deal with several severe illnesses from an early age, which compelled him to study diet, nutrition, and various methods of natural healing while still a child.

    Rather than being satisfied with merely treating the symptoms of illness, Moritz has dedicated his life’s work to understanding and treating the root causes of illness. Because of this holistic approach, he has had great success with cases of terminal disease where conventional methods of healing proved futile. His books and other healing modalities made available through this site are designed to help a person address the root causes of ill health and naturally support the body’s own healing abilities.
  • Nana b said:

    I think I will keep reading,
    I think I will keep reading, you just don't know what one can learn...

    Cancer is Not a Disease - It's a Survival Mechanism by Andreas Mortiz

    Cancer is Not a DiseaseDid you know that 95% of all cancers appear and disappear on their own, and that treating them actually prevents them from being cured? The prominent cancer researcher and professor at the University of California, Dr. Hardin Jones, admitted: "Patients are as well, or better off, untreated....My studies have proven conclusively that cancer patients who refuse chemotherapy and radiation actually live up to four times longer than treated cases, including untreated breast cancer cases."

    In Cancer Is Not A Disease, bestselling author and internationally acclaimed health expert, Andreas Moritz, proves the point that cancer is not a separate illness, but the result of specific, identifiable causes. Removing these causes sets the precondition for the body, mind and emotions to become healed, meaning, whole again.

    Medical intervention, on the other hand, attempts to remove the symptoms of disease with almost complete disregard to their cause(s). This is not only unscientific and unethical, but also life endangering. Each year over 900,000 people in the U.S. lose their lives needlessly to medical treatment. Even one single dose of chemotherapy or radiation can be fatal for both the tumor and the patient. The success record of modern cancer therapy is dismal, even less than the weakest placebo response. On average, remission occurs in about 7% of all cancers, not because of, but despite these aggressive treatments.

    Learn how to deal with cancer is a much more sensible and effective way than trying to fight or destroy it.
    About the Author

    Andreas Moritz is one of the world's leading experts on Integrative Medicine. He is a medical intuitive; a practitioner of Ayurveda, iridology, shiatsu, and vibrational medicine; a writer; and an artist. Born in southwest Germany in 1954, Moritz had to deal with several severe illnesses from an early age, which compelled him to study diet, nutrition, and various methods of natural healing while still a child.

    Rather than being satisfied with merely treating the symptoms of illness, Moritz has dedicated his life’s work to understanding and treating the root causes of illness. Because of this holistic approach, he has had great success with cases of terminal disease where conventional methods of healing proved futile. His books and other healing modalities made available through this site are designed to help a person address the root causes of ill health and naturally support the body’s own healing abilities.

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  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    unknown said:

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    Don't know about you but nothing will dissuade me that
    without chemo, radiation and surgery I would not be typing this. From what's been described here thus far from this author makes sense to prevent cancer in the first place but once its got to the point where it jeopardizes your life, I think something stronger than a better diet is needed......."Anti-Cancer, A New Way of Life" by David Servan-Schreiber should be read as well (I believe Lisa 42 first cited this book)........steve
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    coloCan said:

    Don't know about you but nothing will dissuade me that
    without chemo, radiation and surgery I would not be typing this. From what's been described here thus far from this author makes sense to prevent cancer in the first place but once its got to the point where it jeopardizes your life, I think something stronger than a better diet is needed......."Anti-Cancer, A New Way of Life" by David Servan-Schreiber should be read as well (I believe Lisa 42 first cited this book)........steve

    I read the anti cancer book
    I read the anti cancer book also. And I follow it to a T.

    This particular book isn't saying no surgery, or radiation for that matter, not so far.... I'm not siding with this, just reading...
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    Nana b said:

    I think I will keep reading,
    I think I will keep reading, you just don't know what one can learn...

    Cancer is Not a Disease - It's a Survival Mechanism by Andreas Mortiz

    Cancer is Not a DiseaseDid you know that 95% of all cancers appear and disappear on their own, and that treating them actually prevents them from being cured? The prominent cancer researcher and professor at the University of California, Dr. Hardin Jones, admitted: "Patients are as well, or better off, untreated....My studies have proven conclusively that cancer patients who refuse chemotherapy and radiation actually live up to four times longer than treated cases, including untreated breast cancer cases."

    In Cancer Is Not A Disease, bestselling author and internationally acclaimed health expert, Andreas Moritz, proves the point that cancer is not a separate illness, but the result of specific, identifiable causes. Removing these causes sets the precondition for the body, mind and emotions to become healed, meaning, whole again.

    Medical intervention, on the other hand, attempts to remove the symptoms of disease with almost complete disregard to their cause(s). This is not only unscientific and unethical, but also life endangering. Each year over 900,000 people in the U.S. lose their lives needlessly to medical treatment. Even one single dose of chemotherapy or radiation can be fatal for both the tumor and the patient. The success record of modern cancer therapy is dismal, even less than the weakest placebo response. On average, remission occurs in about 7% of all cancers, not because of, but despite these aggressive treatments.

    Learn how to deal with cancer is a much more sensible and effective way than trying to fight or destroy it.
    About the Author

    Andreas Moritz is one of the world's leading experts on Integrative Medicine. He is a medical intuitive; a practitioner of Ayurveda, iridology, shiatsu, and vibrational medicine; a writer; and an artist. Born in southwest Germany in 1954, Moritz had to deal with several severe illnesses from an early age, which compelled him to study diet, nutrition, and various methods of natural healing while still a child.

    Rather than being satisfied with merely treating the symptoms of illness, Moritz has dedicated his life’s work to understanding and treating the root causes of illness. Because of this holistic approach, he has had great success with cases of terminal disease where conventional methods of healing proved futile. His books and other healing modalities made available through this site are designed to help a person address the root causes of ill health and naturally support the body’s own healing abilities.

    "He is a Medical Intuitive..."
    but plays the part of a doctor with his books. Just what is a "Medical Intuitive*"?

    I did a quick search on him and found an interesting link. Not very flattering. I have to agree with the post that he appears to be a quack.

    Just looking at this quote from his book shows me that he is mis-informed. Cancer has been around since the time of the Egyptians and longer. I do not doubt that with the Industrial Revolution that cases of cancer have grown but I do not think that cancer is caused from having a "poor self-image, unresolved conflict and worries, or past emotional trauma":

    "Cancer has always been an extremely rare illness, except in industrialized nations during the past 40-50 years. Human genes have not significantly changed for thousands of years. Why would they change so drastically now, and suddenly decide to kill scores of people? The answer to this question is amazingly simple: Damaged or faulty genes do not kill anyone. Cancer does not kill a person afflicted with it! What kills a cancer patient is not the tumor, but the numerous reasons behind cell mutation and tumor growth. These root causes should be the focus of every cancer treatment, yet most oncologists typically ignore them. Constant conflicts, guilt and shame, for example, can easily paralyze the body's most basic functions, and lead to the growth of a cancerous tumor.

    After having seen thousands of cancer patients over a period of three decades, I began to recognize a certain pattern of thinking, believing and feeling that was common to most of them. To be more specific, I have yet to meet a cancer patient who does not feel burdened by some poor self-image, unresolved conflict and worries, or past emotional trauma that still lingers in his/her subconscious. Cancer, the physical disease, cannot occur unless there is a strong undercurrent of emotional uneasiness and deep-seated frustration."

    *A Medical Intuitive is an alternative medicine practitioner who uses their intuition to attempt to find the cause of a physical or emotional condition. Making a formal medical diagnosis is not in the scope of practice for many Medical Intuitives, but some medical intuitives are also M.D.s.
  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    PhillieG said:

    "He is a Medical Intuitive..."
    but plays the part of a doctor with his books. Just what is a "Medical Intuitive*"?

    I did a quick search on him and found an interesting link. Not very flattering. I have to agree with the post that he appears to be a quack.

    Just looking at this quote from his book shows me that he is mis-informed. Cancer has been around since the time of the Egyptians and longer. I do not doubt that with the Industrial Revolution that cases of cancer have grown but I do not think that cancer is caused from having a "poor self-image, unresolved conflict and worries, or past emotional trauma":

    "Cancer has always been an extremely rare illness, except in industrialized nations during the past 40-50 years. Human genes have not significantly changed for thousands of years. Why would they change so drastically now, and suddenly decide to kill scores of people? The answer to this question is amazingly simple: Damaged or faulty genes do not kill anyone. Cancer does not kill a person afflicted with it! What kills a cancer patient is not the tumor, but the numerous reasons behind cell mutation and tumor growth. These root causes should be the focus of every cancer treatment, yet most oncologists typically ignore them. Constant conflicts, guilt and shame, for example, can easily paralyze the body's most basic functions, and lead to the growth of a cancerous tumor.

    After having seen thousands of cancer patients over a period of three decades, I began to recognize a certain pattern of thinking, believing and feeling that was common to most of them. To be more specific, I have yet to meet a cancer patient who does not feel burdened by some poor self-image, unresolved conflict and worries, or past emotional trauma that still lingers in his/her subconscious. Cancer, the physical disease, cannot occur unless there is a strong undercurrent of emotional uneasiness and deep-seated frustration."

    *A Medical Intuitive is an alternative medicine practitioner who uses their intuition to attempt to find the cause of a physical or emotional condition. Making a formal medical diagnosis is not in the scope of practice for many Medical Intuitives, but some medical intuitives are also M.D.s.

    If I tried to type my reaction to that Phil, it'd look like this
    &&*&%#@$%::">@!!!!(*)&$#%^(%******************
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866
    John23 said:

    Say what?

    Re:
    "The book further states that cancer does not kill people, it's the chemo."

    Give that book a toss towards the pail.

    Cancer kills when it displaces more good cells in an area that requires
    all those good cells. Let cancer take over a liver, and you die. Let it
    take over too many critical cells in the brain, and you die.... Pick an
    organ.....any organ...

    While it's true (and well documented), that the side effects of
    chemical therapy and radiation ends up damaging or killing "more"
    people than cancer manages to kill, "chemo" and radiation treatments
    do help many, many people remain alive in spite of cancer.

    For any writer to make a blanket statement, that cancer does not
    kill people at all, is ludicrous at the least. It renders anything further
    the writer has to say, as pure BS. I would personally give it a
    toss into the dumpster.

    (My $0.02)

    John

    Also
    "Guns don't kill people. People WITH guns kill people"
  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    Nana b said:

    I read the anti cancer book
    I read the anti cancer book also. And I follow it to a T.

    This particular book isn't saying no surgery, or radiation for that matter, not so far.... I'm not siding with this, just reading...

    I know you try to eat well, etc and I think you've had your
    share of chemo and surgery also.....I trust Servan's book too ; he's one of us......steve
  • coloCan said:

    If I tried to type my reaction to that Phil, it'd look like this
    &&*&%#@$%::">@!!!!(*)&$#%^(%******************

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  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    unknown said:

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    Still reading...
    If I had never met someone that was cured without chemo, I would stop reading, but have so I will continue reading.
  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member
    Hmm..
    It's always good to gather information and see what's out there. It helps to make an informed opinion. I am pretty sure, though, that I can imagine what my doctor would have to say about all this, and I would agree with him.

    It's never a bad idea to live as healthfully as you can, and stress truly does cause ramifications. I know, because I've had post traumatic stress since my husband's sudden cardiac arrest. However, I don't think that caused my cancer.

    *hugs*
    Gail
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900
    can we have a review of book when finished
    would be interested in what impressed you and you thought was lacking.
    most cancer patients are looking for cure.
    the more i read and live this journey the more skepkical i become and at the same time hopeful.

    i like a debate and a healthy exchange of opinions,

    cheers the fence sitter,

    pete
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030

    can we have a review of book when finished
    would be interested in what impressed you and you thought was lacking.
    most cancer patients are looking for cure.
    the more i read and live this journey the more skepkical i become and at the same time hopeful.

    i like a debate and a healthy exchange of opinions,

    cheers the fence sitter,

    pete

    Will do! I can be stubborn
    Will do! I can be stubborn when I'm not 100 percent convinced. Debates are good, but like you said I'm sitting on the fence.
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030
    Nana b said:

    Will do! I can be stubborn
    Will do! I can be stubborn when I'm not 100 percent convinced. Debates are good, but like you said I'm sitting on the fence.

    I must stay the book is
    I must stay the book is pretty interesting. It talks about the body and how cancer comes to be. How our cells work. How stress, meds and food effect our arteries, our brain. Reading on...
  • tr71068
    tr71068 Member Posts: 26
    Wow
    I havent read that book but I have read many other and have talked to nurses that work on the oncology wards at the hospitals and even some of them say that they would do the surgeries and everything they could but they may opt out of the chemo and radiation. They have seen were the poisons we put in our body is what ends up killing us. I have two different friends and they have had a family member pass after there first chemo treatment the drugs were just to much for one and the other had an allergic reation. I say keep reading the book. I dont believe you can just let the drugs do all of the work you also have to change your lifestyle