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jazzy1
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I met with a nutritionist a few months ago and one thing she recommended was to avoid soy "powder". Claiming it's not good with female / hormone-based cancers and just not enough solid research out there, therefore, aire on side of caution. To be on safe side tells me to avoid powder, but can enjoy some small amounts of soy in foods. I know over many years it was stressed to avoid for breast cancer patients, but didn't think much about our uterine cancers. I take protein and she questioned what type -- mine is "Whey" which is fine.

Anyone have some input?

Jan

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culka
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fertility diet (not our problem any more I guess)

Soy
Traditional soy foods like tofu, tempeh, tamari and miso are a nutritious protein and can be eaten as part of a balanced
diet a few times a week. Balance is the key. People in Asia have been eating tofu, tempeh and miso for hundreds of years--
in moderate amounts. In the west, however, we consume large qualities of processed soy products in soy milk, soy protein
powders, soy “meat”products, and soy fillers. The result is that we are eating much larger quantities of soy that has ever
been consumed in a traditional Asian diet. As well, we are eating a highly processed food product rather than a whole food.
Increasingly studies are showing that adulterated foods (like trans fats) have unintended health consequences.
The Acubalance Fertile diet advocates a whole foods, mostly plant based diet. The portion of protein in the full spectrum of
the diet is about 25%. Of that 25%, most of the protein should come from plant sources. Soy protein, in its whole food
form, is only one of many sources of plant protein available to us. To optimize your health and fertility enjoy a wide variety
of whole food plant protein.
Conclusion
Whole food soy products like miso, tempeh and spouted soybeans are healthy if eaten a few times a week in small
amounts. If you eat tofu you should choose organic tofu. Two great sources that are made locally are Sunrise Tofu
Soyganics and Superior Tofu. Daily consumption of processed soy products may have a negative impact on your fertility.
What is soy?
Soy products are made from soy beans.
Tofu is fresh soy bean curd, which is a quick to prepare source of protein that takes on the flavour of whatever you are
cooking.
Natto is fermented soybeans. Miso, tempeh, and seiten are fermented soybean products that have a similar taste and
texture to cooked chicken.

If you check labels, soy product is in everything. Scary.

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I have read here that we should not eat soy. But the well touted book, AntiCancer.... says soy is OK. So what is the story???

I drank soy milk until I read label and saw that it has sugar cane in it - sugar is a big no no. Almond milk the same. But I am tempted to eat tofu. I figure it's better than meat. What about eggs - I've been eating them.

I appreciate all the info. Mary Ann

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Jazzy,
Do you know of any brand protein powders that do not list soy in the list of ingredients on package. I have an EAS Whey Powder I have been using and then I read ingredients and saw there is still soy in it.

Is this bad to have do you think?

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Yes I did notice that as didn't dawn on me it had soy...dah! Mine is same product and lists it as "Soy lecithin" or PROTEIN BLEND. I'm visiting my nutritionist tomorrow and will bring it up again. I know there are protein products which don't have it. My husband's background at one time was a personal trainer. They were always told to recommend WHEY protein as our bodies assimilate it more efficiently. Now with the soy in it and our female/hormone issues I'll check further.

What are you thinking? Will get back with posting tomorrow after my appt with nutritionist (who had ovarian cancer).

Don't you fell at times we just don't know what to put in our mouths...
Jan

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Jan,
Did you find out from your nutritionist regarding the soy that is stil listed in our whey protein powders?

Did you find a brand that does not have soy? I keep finding wheys that still have soy.

Cindy

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Cindy,

This protein we're on is fine. She thinks the protein is mixed with a very small amount of the soy lecithin and I'll be okay. Told me to continue taking as I do 2 scoops per day.

This is the only soy I take, unless it's in things I eat that I didn't read the label. I should avoid any soy as much as possible as the research is still in question. Basically better to be safe vs. sorry so I'll only take this product with soy.

Go for it is what I'd recommend........

Jan

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Jazzy Jan,
That was interesting to hear your nutritionist felt the small of mix of soy lecithin is ok. I wonder also if soy lecithin is different than soy isoflavones (which are bad I believe).

I guess that is good to know the first is ok, because it seems they all have the soy lecithin in the mix of ingredients even if the first ingredient is whey. I have heard it is because soy is inexpensive for companies to use.

Always Hopeful
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Hi all,

I just finished reading THE ANTI-ESTROGENIC DIET by Ori Hofmekler. Soy is definitely a no-no. I was told the same by my medical oncologist as well as the nutritionist at the center. My understanding is that it is because our cancer is estrogen dependent and although soy is a phytoestrogen (natural),"soy isoflavones m y harm the human body in the same mannera xenoestrogens" (chemicals).

As far as the book goes, I feel it could have been written as a paper rather than a book. There was much repitition of the same information before the author really got into sharing concrete information. The "diet" proposed was not something I believe I could or want to follow so the book is going back to the library, after I copy a few of the recipes I'm interested in. I also was not impressed with the author's credentials, although he supported his statements with research studies.

As has been discussed in other discussions, it seems that MODERATION is the key to all we do. At this point in my life, I do not want to change my diet so extremely. Yes, I will stay away from the things that can be known to harm me and try to include the things that are better for me but beyond that there is just too much to deal with. By the way, for those who enjoy beer, or for now non-alcoholic beer, one ingredient, hops, is definitely a no-no. In fact, Hofmekler lists beer as the worse alchohol to drink. I'm still going to follow the "everything in moderation" concept.

Peace and hope,

JJ

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Hi there.
My doc says everything in moderation as well. When I saw him the Friday before Memorial Day he said I could have a glass of wine or a margarita (although I have not done so).
He made the comment-everything in moderation.

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Enjoy an occasional glass of RED wine, as it has resveratrol. Acts on genes that are known to protect healthy cells against aging. It can also slow the three stages of cancer develoment by blocking the action of NF-jkappa B.....directly typed from the Anti Cancer book. I take this product in powder form, so don't need to eat tons of grapes and have a hang-over from wine...hee! hee!

As we're mentioning here, everything in moderation!

Drink up ladies....
Jan

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My onc dietician said to avoid soy isolates. Any whole soy food is okay like tofu, soy beans, soy milk, tempeh, natto, etc. according to her.

"Whey to Health" is the whey protein powder I use...no soy and organic. Can buy it online.

Real good shake from the blender is 1.5 cup of milk, scoop of protein powder, 1-2 heaping teaspoons unsweetened chocolate powder and a packet of Stevia. 20 grams of protein total.

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Thanks for the information on the product you use. I looked it up and doesn't seem to have sugar nor soy....just Whey Protein. Wow it's quite expensive... any particular site you purchase from which has the better pricing?

Food products which contain soy I was suggested to eat in "moderation" and definitely avoid any soy in powder. The research out on soy isn't quite definite, so best to be safe vs. sorry. I can do that with no problem.

I take 2 shakes per day with 1 scoop of protein. Mix with 1/2 scoop flaxseed powder, 1 scoop protein in 8 oz. OJ or any juice. This helps our bodies rebuild especially very important during treatments. I've always been a runner and now more into weights for the building of bone density and know Whey helps to recover faster from breakdowns with our muscles.

(((( hugs ))))
Jan

llight
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Hi Jan,

Yes, no soy or sugar in Whey to Health. I recently bought it (10oz. container, 28-10gram servings) online at iherb.com. They offer discounts with the more things I buy which is what I generally try to do so the price ends up coming down and the shipping becomes free. They sell a lot of different things, vitamins, cereal, crackers, soap, etc. which makes shopping there good for me.

Here is a breakdown on pricing for the product at other sources but obviously doesn't include shipping:
http://www.google.com/products?q=%22whey+to+health%22&hl=en&scoring=p

I like your idea of putting flaxseed powder in your shake...I will try that.

Yes, onc dietician told me 60grams of protein/day during treatment to help me rebuild. I can only do it with the protein powder.

llight

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