Do you think it is possible to kill prostate cells by diet ect..

gwc
gwc Member Posts: 8
edited March 2014 in Prostate Cancer #1
Do you think diet can kill cancer cells in the prostate? For example
veggies fruits wine green tea certain spices no milk products limited fats
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  • erisian
    erisian Member Posts: 107
    Good info
    It certainly IS possible for diet to affect prostate cancer! The trouble is, good info is hard to find. The ACS has a wealth of conservatively written information about diet and supplements on their web site under Making Treatment Decisions > Complementary and Alternative Therapies

    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/ETO_5.asp?sitearea=ETO

    They also publish the same information in a book.

    The best book I've seen so far on the subject: Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients, by Russell Blaylock MD

    http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Strategies-Patients-Russell-Blaylock/dp/0758202210/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267491810&sr=1-1

    I found a copy in the library at my local cancer center.
  • gwc
    gwc Member Posts: 8
    erisian said:

    Good info
    It certainly IS possible for diet to affect prostate cancer! The trouble is, good info is hard to find. The ACS has a wealth of conservatively written information about diet and supplements on their web site under Making Treatment Decisions > Complementary and Alternative Therapies

    http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/ETO_5.asp?sitearea=ETO

    They also publish the same information in a book.

    The best book I've seen so far on the subject: Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients, by Russell Blaylock MD

    http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Strategies-Patients-Russell-Blaylock/dp/0758202210/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267491810&sr=1-1

    I found a copy in the library at my local cancer center.

    better diet
    I have been eatting foods I have read kill pc cells. My psa keeps going down
    5.5 now 10 months later 2.25. wonder if i should have the dreaded biosay done again.
    not sure if i should just be watching and waiting. gleason 3+3 1 in 12 core had cancer
    wish i knew if i had aggressive on non aggressive cancer
  • Trew
    Trew Member Posts: 931 Member
    I posted a question a week
    I posted a question a week ago RE the use of soy if you have PC. Whether soy produced testosrone, I don't know, but I understand it does produce estrogen which seems like a bad thing for a guy on the shot.

    Health diet never hurts and I know a lot of folk in my circle of friends who put a lot of trust in diet. If I was going to rely on diet, I would be sure to be tested often to be sure noting was heading in the wrong direction.
  • marc1957
    marc1957 Member Posts: 79
    I would think so, otherwise,
    I would think so, otherwise, how does one explain the almost non-existent PC in Asians (in their homeland).

    The question remains in my mind, exactly what is it that matters - thats the big unknown I think.
  • HIFUgal
    HIFUgal Member Posts: 58
    marc1957 said:

    I would think so, otherwise,
    I would think so, otherwise, how does one explain the almost non-existent PC in Asians (in their homeland).

    The question remains in my mind, exactly what is it that matters - thats the big unknown I think.

    No, I don't believe you can
    No, I don't believe you can cure cancer with eatting right. But, maybe you can prevent or delay cancer by eatting right....however...

    My best friend is a wholistic food freak, joga instructor, her complexion is perfect, everything about her is perfect...yet she just underwent a double masectomy. Her mom and sister both died from breast cancer.

    Cancer is a cell that loses it's program and reproduces wildly. Sometimes it loses it's new cancer program and quits reproducing, then the cancer is silent, in remission.

    It's a crap shoot.....and my real belief is you are born with a gene that is all set to turn to cancer...it's inherited.
  • erisian
    erisian Member Posts: 107
    marc1957 said:

    I would think so, otherwise,
    I would think so, otherwise, how does one explain the almost non-existent PC in Asians (in their homeland).

    The question remains in my mind, exactly what is it that matters - thats the big unknown I think.

    What matters
    I think that there are a whole bunch of things that matter in diet and nutrition. There are some common themes, however, that come up a lot. Eat lots of veggies, especially members of the cabbage family. Eat lots of high-antioxidant fruit like blueberries and citrus, (but no grapefruit if you are on certain drugs). Don't eat much red meat. Eat lots of cold water ocean fish, they have good fats. And on and on...

    What you want to do is eat a diet that provides the best possible support for your immune system. Your immune system can kill cancer cells, but it needs to be in good shape to do it. The new Provenge and Prostvac prostate cancer vaccines (not FDA approved yet) need a strong immune system in order to work.

    Radiation and chemo damage the immune system, quite badly in some cases, so dietary support is especially important to patients in active treatment.

    My favorite argument for diet is this:

    Do you believe that eating a poor diet can increase your cancer risk,
    or increase disease progression if you have cancer?

    If so, then why do you believe that a good diet,
    (whatever that is) can't have positive effects?
  • bdhilton
    bdhilton Member Posts: 803 Member
    Trew said:

    I posted a question a week
    I posted a question a week ago RE the use of soy if you have PC. Whether soy produced testosrone, I don't know, but I understand it does produce estrogen which seems like a bad thing for a guy on the shot.

    Health diet never hurts and I know a lot of folk in my circle of friends who put a lot of trust in diet. If I was going to rely on diet, I would be sure to be tested often to be sure noting was heading in the wrong direction.

    yes soy in moderation
    My doctors, own research and a paid nutritionist advise is no more than 1 serving a day of a soy product…. I typically have a glass of soy milk light but some days have one serving of tofu…From what I have been told and researched more is not better here…btw Asians have many other types of cancer more prevalent than we do here is the western world….
    Anyway, I believe that certain foods and diet are beneficial (for example-my mother is 83 and living was diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma 25 years ago (no treatment to date) and she continues to kick a$$-but she truly believes in her diet and exercise program…)..Lots of good infor out there but watch out for the supplements web sites…. Always better IMHO to change your eating habits than to think taking a supplements are the answer…best to all
  • bdhilton
    bdhilton Member Posts: 803 Member
    erisian said:

    What matters
    I think that there are a whole bunch of things that matter in diet and nutrition. There are some common themes, however, that come up a lot. Eat lots of veggies, especially members of the cabbage family. Eat lots of high-antioxidant fruit like blueberries and citrus, (but no grapefruit if you are on certain drugs). Don't eat much red meat. Eat lots of cold water ocean fish, they have good fats. And on and on...

    What you want to do is eat a diet that provides the best possible support for your immune system. Your immune system can kill cancer cells, but it needs to be in good shape to do it. The new Provenge and Prostvac prostate cancer vaccines (not FDA approved yet) need a strong immune system in order to work.

    Radiation and chemo damage the immune system, quite badly in some cases, so dietary support is especially important to patients in active treatment.

    My favorite argument for diet is this:

    Do you believe that eating a poor diet can increase your cancer risk,
    or increase disease progression if you have cancer?

    If so, then why do you believe that a good diet,
    (whatever that is) can't have positive effects?

    erisian...you sum it up pretty good
    thanks good post and summary imho...

    Best to all-BD
  • tarhoosier
    tarhoosier Member Posts: 195
    Diet certainly can affect
    Diet certainly can affect prostate cancer, and perhaps other cancers as well. For those men with small amounts of slow growing prostate cancer there have been many trials using vitamins, diet and such that showed a slowing of the growth by extending the doubling time and in some cases actually reducing the psa. This does not mean that the cancer cells were eliminated. There is no evidence that any diet, food, supplement, special water or any normally benign compound can cure prostate cancer. It is believed that Asians have as much prostate cancer as western males and that their diet slows the growth sufficiently that many more of those men are never diagnosed. In effect, the slow growing cancer is made even more slowly growing. This reduces their diagnosis rate. Some Asian men still die of this disease, so this is not a cure. For men with the lethal strain of prostate cancer any help would be appreciated and a healthy diet is a boon to everyone regardless of condition, age, disease state.
  • erisian
    erisian Member Posts: 107

    Diet certainly can affect
    Diet certainly can affect prostate cancer, and perhaps other cancers as well. For those men with small amounts of slow growing prostate cancer there have been many trials using vitamins, diet and such that showed a slowing of the growth by extending the doubling time and in some cases actually reducing the psa. This does not mean that the cancer cells were eliminated. There is no evidence that any diet, food, supplement, special water or any normally benign compound can cure prostate cancer. It is believed that Asians have as much prostate cancer as western males and that their diet slows the growth sufficiently that many more of those men are never diagnosed. In effect, the slow growing cancer is made even more slowly growing. This reduces their diagnosis rate. Some Asian men still die of this disease, so this is not a cure. For men with the lethal strain of prostate cancer any help would be appreciated and a healthy diet is a boon to everyone regardless of condition, age, disease state.

    Evidence...
    There is also no evidence that any conventional treatment can cure metastatic prostate cancer. The best studies they have show increased survival time, and these are what the "standard of care" is based on. For example, docetaxel increased median survival vs the previous standard of care, so it became the new standard of care.

    For me, evidence of increased PSA doubling time is enough to make me consider a food or supplement, and if there were any PSA decreases, then that is an even stronger indication. I have noticed a double standard, where a drug is considered to be effective if it causes a PSA drop, but a food or supplement which effectively does the same thing isn't.

    I'm on round 4 of chemo now, having flunked out of docetaxel, mitoxantrone, and paclitaxel. In all cases, the drug was considered effective as long as the PSA was declining or steady, and treatment was discontinued on a rise in three consecutive PSA tests. So by my oncologists standards, a declining PSA is a conclusive indication that a conventional treatment is effective. I see no reason to hold dietary or herbal treatments to a different standard.

    Take Saw Palmetto, for example. There is evidence that it can cause PSA to drop, but it usually gets pooh-poohed by doctors. I say if it drops the PSA, then it's doing something good. If my doctor dissed it, I would ask him why he considers a PSA drop to be an indication of effective treatment only if it was caused by a prescribed drug.
  • tr008
    tr008 Member Posts: 9
    erisian said:

    Evidence...
    There is also no evidence that any conventional treatment can cure metastatic prostate cancer. The best studies they have show increased survival time, and these are what the "standard of care" is based on. For example, docetaxel increased median survival vs the previous standard of care, so it became the new standard of care.

    For me, evidence of increased PSA doubling time is enough to make me consider a food or supplement, and if there were any PSA decreases, then that is an even stronger indication. I have noticed a double standard, where a drug is considered to be effective if it causes a PSA drop, but a food or supplement which effectively does the same thing isn't.

    I'm on round 4 of chemo now, having flunked out of docetaxel, mitoxantrone, and paclitaxel. In all cases, the drug was considered effective as long as the PSA was declining or steady, and treatment was discontinued on a rise in three consecutive PSA tests. So by my oncologists standards, a declining PSA is a conclusive indication that a conventional treatment is effective. I see no reason to hold dietary or herbal treatments to a different standard.

    Take Saw Palmetto, for example. There is evidence that it can cause PSA to drop, but it usually gets pooh-poohed by doctors. I say if it drops the PSA, then it's doing something good. If my doctor dissed it, I would ask him why he considers a PSA drop to be an indication of effective treatment only if it was caused by a prescribed drug.

    cancer & diet
    I don't think that diet will Kill cancer cells but there is much evidence that shows that cancer is fed by fat and if you can keep a very low fat diet the cancer does not continue to grow. My wife has read several books on the subject and we have changed our diet significantly. It has led us to the discovery of Buffalo meet. It has less fat content than chicken, you have to watch certain grocery outlets and their burger cause some has fat added to aide in making a nice patty. But, it tastes great.

    There is much to be read on this subject and I think that it has some merrit. The claim is that if you can get your fat intake down to 15% or less there is not cancer growth.

    Tom
  • mikmik10
    mikmik10 Member Posts: 1
    Diet & Prostate Cancer
    Diet is extremely important. Will a proper diet kill cancer cells? I don’t know, but when I was diagnosed I had a PSA of 7.47 and the subsequent biopsy showed cancer present in 25% of the snips. It was decided to monitor the PSA every three months. I then decided to make a couple of dietary adjustments. I quit coffee and started drinking 10 to 12 cups of green tea per day. Several other important adjustments include filtering tap water before consumption. Buy organic fruit and vegetables grown within a 100-mile radius, which will give you the best nutritional value and lowest chemical residue.

    Three months later my PSA was 5.38 and as a result I chose to wait six months for the next one, about the first week in May.
  • Evagirl
    Evagirl Member Posts: 60
    mikmik10 said:

    Diet & Prostate Cancer
    Diet is extremely important. Will a proper diet kill cancer cells? I don’t know, but when I was diagnosed I had a PSA of 7.47 and the subsequent biopsy showed cancer present in 25% of the snips. It was decided to monitor the PSA every three months. I then decided to make a couple of dietary adjustments. I quit coffee and started drinking 10 to 12 cups of green tea per day. Several other important adjustments include filtering tap water before consumption. Buy organic fruit and vegetables grown within a 100-mile radius, which will give you the best nutritional value and lowest chemical residue.

    Three months later my PSA was 5.38 and as a result I chose to wait six months for the next one, about the first week in May.

    I believe that diet

    I believe that diet effects everything

    hmmm maybe get DH to switch from beef to chicken and from coffee to green tea?


    Its worth a try~~~ :-)
  • lewvino
    lewvino Member Posts: 1,010
    Evagirl said:

    I believe that diet

    I believe that diet effects everything

    hmmm maybe get DH to switch from beef to chicken and from coffee to green tea?


    Its worth a try~~~ :-)

    You ask so many good
    You ask so many good questions.....We should really talk on the phone....Send me a private email if you want at [email protected] and we can arrange a time to talk if interested.

    Larry
  • erisian
    erisian Member Posts: 107
    Evagirl said:

    I believe that diet

    I believe that diet effects everything

    hmmm maybe get DH to switch from beef to chicken and from coffee to green tea?


    Its worth a try~~~ :-)

    Green Tea
    I mix green tea with black tea so that it has more flavor. I still drink coffee occasionally, but now I have an excuse to get a really good coffee when I do have one!

    Diet is such a complex subject! Good info is hard to find among all the fads and "the latest study has shown that..."

    One good piece of advice that I read recently simplifies things:
    A heart-healthy diet is a prostate-healthy diet.
  • bdhilton
    bdhilton Member Posts: 803 Member
    erisian said:

    Green Tea
    I mix green tea with black tea so that it has more flavor. I still drink coffee occasionally, but now I have an excuse to get a really good coffee when I do have one!

    Diet is such a complex subject! Good info is hard to find among all the fads and "the latest study has shown that..."

    One good piece of advice that I read recently simplifies things:
    A heart-healthy diet is a prostate-healthy diet.

    A heart-healthy diet is a prostate-healthy diet
    agreed and that is what I say as well...
  • finbar
    finbar Member Posts: 26
    Diet and Cancer
    I've read many articles and books on the subject of diet and cancer.
    You certainly can't beat a good diet for good health.
    As for prostate cancer, in 2006 UCLA conducted a study and found that
    eating pomegranates (or drinking 100% pomegranate juice)for two years
    extended the period for the doubling of th PSA from 15 months to 54
    months. Incredible.
  • pwiggins
    pwiggins Member Posts: 9
    finbar said:

    Diet and Cancer
    I've read many articles and books on the subject of diet and cancer.
    You certainly can't beat a good diet for good health.
    As for prostate cancer, in 2006 UCLA conducted a study and found that
    eating pomegranates (or drinking 100% pomegranate juice)for two years
    extended the period for the doubling of th PSA from 15 months to 54
    months. Incredible.

    I believe in Diet
    I'm 47 and had Divinci surgery in 2/09. My PSA pre-surgery was 4; after surgery 16. It had metasized to my pelvic area. Began Lurpon in June of last year and 6 weeks of radiation. Although I eat pretty well a change in diet along with Lupron decreased my PSA as of today to zero. Age, diet, individuality all go into how you react to PC.
  • gjeck6874
    gjeck6874 Member Posts: 9
    finbar said:

    Diet and Cancer
    I've read many articles and books on the subject of diet and cancer.
    You certainly can't beat a good diet for good health.
    As for prostate cancer, in 2006 UCLA conducted a study and found that
    eating pomegranates (or drinking 100% pomegranate juice)for two years
    extended the period for the doubling of th PSA from 15 months to 54
    months. Incredible.

    Pomegranate Juice
    I saw the same article regarding the doubling time of the PSA being reduced drastically with the group of men that consumed 8 oz. of pomegranate juice daily for two years.

    Anyone know what are the health results of the juice prior to the two year span?
    When does the PSA begin to actually slow down?

    Grocery stores have begun to include pomegranate juice drinks on their shelves recently.

    Are there different qualities of the juice that can be utilized ... 100% juice drinks like apple/cranberry/pomegranate mixtures? 100% pomegranate juice?

    Anyone begin a program of drinking pomegranate juice?

    Geoff
  • erisian
    erisian Member Posts: 107
    gjeck6874 said:

    Pomegranate Juice
    I saw the same article regarding the doubling time of the PSA being reduced drastically with the group of men that consumed 8 oz. of pomegranate juice daily for two years.

    Anyone know what are the health results of the juice prior to the two year span?
    When does the PSA begin to actually slow down?

    Grocery stores have begun to include pomegranate juice drinks on their shelves recently.

    Are there different qualities of the juice that can be utilized ... 100% juice drinks like apple/cranberry/pomegranate mixtures? 100% pomegranate juice?

    Anyone begin a program of drinking pomegranate juice?

    Geoff

    Pomegranate juice
    I use it, but not 8oz/day!
    That's a lot-- a lot of sugar, for one thing. That's also about $2.00/day. It *is* good stuff, but the 8oz/day study was funded by POM, so it's up to you to decide. I'm taking 2oz/day. It's also a lot of flavor. I like to mix it with some acai juice, it takes some of the edge of it. But I don't by mixed juice, see below.

    Because the real stuff is so pricey, there are plenty of cheaper versions that are cut with pear and other juices. Don't buy them, they just have more sugar and less antioxidants.

    Only buy 100% Pomegranate juice. 100% Juice doesn't mean 100% Pomegranate juice.