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rmap59
rmap59 Member Posts: 266
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
Hi All,
I have read a lot about diet and colorectal cancer. Stay away from sugar, meat, etc. For me it is about staying regular. I talked to my oncologist about diet because I felt soo guilty about some of the food I eat(mostly sweets). He told me that it was just not true that sugar feeds cancer like I have read. He said that sugar occurs naturally in everyones body and if that were true everyone would have colorectal cancers?? I really think that looking back it makes more sense that for years I was not regular and constipated a lot and that could be the cause. So now I just concentrate on having a bm on most days by eating fiber and or taking metimucil. Just my two cents, really have nothing to back it up except gut feeling.
Robin

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  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member
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    I'm definitely no expert, but I agree with you, Robin. I keep wondering if my cancer came about because of years of IBS and constipation.

    Gail
  • KathiM
    KathiM Member Posts: 8,028 Member
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    I think the key word is 'moderation'. I 'sin' and love it...no guilt!!!!!!
    There is a small tie with beef....now, don't shut me out...because it takes longer to digest, it can sit longer in the colon....
    Stress, and anything else that causes irregularity is where CRC steps in. But, it also takes a compromised immune system...stress, again, which leads to high fat/low bulk eating...hummmmm, seems to be a pattern here...

    Whatever makes you believe is what you should follow....attitude, FINALLY, is being studied for success in treatment...if you believe it will work, a new study found that there is more chance for it's success...

    Hugs, Kathi
  • claud1951
    claud1951 Member Posts: 424 Member
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    HI Robin,

    Yes..my Onc Nurses, also, tells us that there is no tie with sugar to cancer. And again, we know sugar isn't the best thing period. So like Kathi, says, moderation.

    I've got the best recipe for Granola, if you'd like to have it! One of the best things for fiber. I eat it with yogurt or just like cereal, for snacks and even put it in cookies.

    Hugs
    Claudia
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
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    hi robin,

    Well, of course I disagree--no surprise there. It's more about acid/alkaline balance and sugar is acid forming.

    It is also an insulin issue too. Of course our bodies need sugar, duh, but REFINED sugar is what I always mean when I say that cancer "feeds" on sugar.

    For the past 6 1/2 years I have researched cancer and diet. In everything I read about nutrition, white refined sugars contribute to diseases, cancer included. Cause? I'm not saying sugar causes cancer, what refined carbs and sugars do is help create an environment of inflammation, increase insulin which causes damage to organs among a host of other issues.

    Vegetables and fruits being complex carbs and full of fiber, obviously break down to sugars but the fiber slows absorption. It's just not the same thing as white refined sugar which zooms into your system without passing Go and Collecting $200!

    While your onocologist is well versed in cancer and chemo, I highly suspect that s/he doesn't really study nutrition which, IMO is a travesty for all of us who are healing from cancer.

    Increasing one's intake of fresh veggies, fruits and whole grains, one's regularity will increase as well. And if you take a fiber supplement, be sure to check to make sure it doesn't contain Asparatame which is connected with a whole other set of diseases.

    So again, the sugars that occur naturally in everyone like your oncologist says is true (it's what feeds our brain) and necessary, REFINED sugars are NOT necessary and quite detrimental to health and healing of cancer and hinder prevention.

    Bodies respond differently--such as not everyone who eats sugar is going to get dental cavaties, not everyone who eats meat will get colon cancer, not everyone who smokes will get lung cancer, not everyone who drinks alcohol to excess will get liver disease, not everyone who drives drunk will kill someone, not everyone who shoots heroin will die of an overdose. But that doesn't mean any of those things are ok.

    As for constipation, have you tried digestive enzymes? They help alot, and probiotics help to balance out intestinal flora which helps with being regular.

    peace, emily
  • jzanches
    jzanches Member Posts: 5
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    2bhealed said:

    hi robin,

    Well, of course I disagree--no surprise there. It's more about acid/alkaline balance and sugar is acid forming.

    It is also an insulin issue too. Of course our bodies need sugar, duh, but REFINED sugar is what I always mean when I say that cancer "feeds" on sugar.

    For the past 6 1/2 years I have researched cancer and diet. In everything I read about nutrition, white refined sugars contribute to diseases, cancer included. Cause? I'm not saying sugar causes cancer, what refined carbs and sugars do is help create an environment of inflammation, increase insulin which causes damage to organs among a host of other issues.

    Vegetables and fruits being complex carbs and full of fiber, obviously break down to sugars but the fiber slows absorption. It's just not the same thing as white refined sugar which zooms into your system without passing Go and Collecting $200!

    While your onocologist is well versed in cancer and chemo, I highly suspect that s/he doesn't really study nutrition which, IMO is a travesty for all of us who are healing from cancer.

    Increasing one's intake of fresh veggies, fruits and whole grains, one's regularity will increase as well. And if you take a fiber supplement, be sure to check to make sure it doesn't contain Asparatame which is connected with a whole other set of diseases.

    So again, the sugars that occur naturally in everyone like your oncologist says is true (it's what feeds our brain) and necessary, REFINED sugars are NOT necessary and quite detrimental to health and healing of cancer and hinder prevention.

    Bodies respond differently--such as not everyone who eats sugar is going to get dental cavaties, not everyone who eats meat will get colon cancer, not everyone who smokes will get lung cancer, not everyone who drinks alcohol to excess will get liver disease, not everyone who drives drunk will kill someone, not everyone who shoots heroin will die of an overdose. But that doesn't mean any of those things are ok.

    As for constipation, have you tried digestive enzymes? They help alot, and probiotics help to balance out intestinal flora which helps with being regular.

    peace, emily

    I hate to disagree with you but....

    The stomach contains very dilute hydrochloric acid so that the stomach is almost always on the acid side unless antacids (unnatural) are taken. The blood tends to be on the acid side as it contains dissolved carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form small amounts of carbonic acid. This is the natural state of affairs. There are very few food stuffs that are on the basic side. If you eat rotten meat you could consume bases such as cadaverine or putricine but they would not be too pleasant. I do not see how the sugar molecule in the body can be metabolized to give an acid as a metabolite unless you are talking about carbon dioxide. However, carbon dioxide is a metabolite from all foods.

    The predominant component of cane sugar and sugar beets is sucrose. The refined sugar that one buys in 5-pound bags at Wal-Mart is sucrose. Unrefined cane sugar is almost 100% sucrose. To your body, sucrose is sucrose whether it comes from unrefined sugar cane or refined sugar cane. They both will zoom into your system. If refined sugar is bad for you then unrefined sugar will be equally bad.

    Jose
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
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    jzanches said:

    I hate to disagree with you but....

    The stomach contains very dilute hydrochloric acid so that the stomach is almost always on the acid side unless antacids (unnatural) are taken. The blood tends to be on the acid side as it contains dissolved carbon dioxide which reacts with water to form small amounts of carbonic acid. This is the natural state of affairs. There are very few food stuffs that are on the basic side. If you eat rotten meat you could consume bases such as cadaverine or putricine but they would not be too pleasant. I do not see how the sugar molecule in the body can be metabolized to give an acid as a metabolite unless you are talking about carbon dioxide. However, carbon dioxide is a metabolite from all foods.

    The predominant component of cane sugar and sugar beets is sucrose. The refined sugar that one buys in 5-pound bags at Wal-Mart is sucrose. Unrefined cane sugar is almost 100% sucrose. To your body, sucrose is sucrose whether it comes from unrefined sugar cane or refined sugar cane. They both will zoom into your system. If refined sugar is bad for you then unrefined sugar will be equally bad.

    Jose

    The sugar issue for me is whether you get your "sugars" from fruits and veggies that come with fiber compared to refined sugars that do not.

    And yes, refined sugars leave an acid "ash" whereas green veggies help your body to be more basic or alkaline.

    so yeah, we are both saying simple sucrose is bad for you and is not really a good thig to eat when combatting cancer and trying to heal.

    peace, emily

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