MACROBIOTICS

2bhealed
2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
Hello all you semi-colons,

I feel compelled to respond to the macrobiotics are scary post.

I have such a complete opposite paradigm than most of you since I never walked the chemo line.

I have remained cancer free having not done any chemo and only used alternative therapies that focused on diet.

As most of you know I JUICED and did macrobiotics and I'm not sure any one else on here has followed a macro diet.

Researchers at Tulane University, the University of Michigan, Boston U, and the U of Minnesota and other institutions have studies going on the macrobiotic approach to cancer.

"In 1985 the NCI reported that radiation therapy and chemotherapy were ineffective and in some cases produced toxic side effects as follow-ups to surgery in the treatment of cancer: Except possibly in selected patients with cancer of the stomach, there has been no demonstrated improvement in the survival of patients with the ten most common cancers when radiation therapy, chemotherapy, or both have been added to surgical resection. The ten most common cancers are lung, colorectal, breast, prostate, uterus, bladder, pancreas, stomach, skin, and kidney."

Macrobiotics isn't some way out there weirdo hippie diet. It's about balance and moderation and being present. It consists of whole grains, veggies, some fruits, soups, a little fish, sea vegetables, beans and bean products.

Cancer lives in an acid environment and the Standard American Diet is ripe for cancer to thrive...heavy in the meats, processed foods, fats, sweets, salty--all acid producing.

Macrobiotics seeks to balance each person out-- we are either too yin or too yang through our diet and lifestyle.

If our body is having to exert so much energy digesting "high maintenance" foods like red meats and fats then we deplete our enzymes which when depleted exhaust our whole system of organs, tissues, cells and it becomes more difficult to remain healthy. We become susceptible to diseases--such as colon cancer.

Macrobiotic foods are easier to digest and require less energy to digest. Juicing is even more effective in this regard being that fresh veggie juice is chock full of LIVE ENZYMES which are assimilated easier and pack a nutritional punch.

The process of juicing liberates minerals and enzymes that are involved in every process of the body from digesting our food to building muscles, nerves, blood, and glands. They assist in storing sugar in the liver and muscles, they build phosphorous into bone and nerve tissue, and helps attach iron to red blood cells. Enzymes in our immune system attack waste material and poisons in our blood and tissue. Enzymes do a ton of work!!



Due to the macrobiotic diet our body doesn't have to work as hard and does not promote the build up of toxins like the SAD does where most of the food putrifies, rots and ferments in the intestines creating havoc on our systems. If your diet consists of white flours and sugars and meats and fats you can bet that the transit time is slow and sluggish. With macro meals you are eating good fiber which cuts down on transit time. We're not talking about just adding a little metamucil either. It's all about the quality of nutrients.

Anyway, I couldn't let this one slide by. I am so amazed that folks who put their life on the line every day that they walk into the chemo clinic hesitate to try a simple approach that can only improve their health.

No one can guarantee a cure. And not everything works for everyone, but I can completely understand where the Macro consultant was coming from in musiclover's post. Her friend would be working from a deficit with doing the chemo and it will be harder to work a cure in that case. During chemo the immune system is obliterated. This particular consultant may not want to work with someone who is doing chemo b/c as she said, she has a full schedule, but maybe you can find someone who would work with him.

Ok well, I could go on and on.

Get the book:

A Cancer Prevention Diet by Muchio Kushi


peace, emily

Comments

  • musiclover
    musiclover Member Posts: 242
    When I first heard of Mark's chemo I hired a Kushi counseler, one that had helped a friend's father recover from brain cancer. Mark's doctors would not operate on him until he had radiation and chemo to shrink it down - it was too big and that would be dangerous. The Kushi person agreed in this case Western medicine would be necessary. That's what he did in addition to the diet and now it has spread.

    He's stage IV. I wouldn't feel right convincing him to rely soley on diet at this point when he has lesions in his lungs. What if it didn't work? I'd feel responsible. I'm a huge beliver in diet. John McDougall is excellent - no bull, plant based diet. I believe any low fat plant based diet (preferably vegan) will be beneficial. After much research, working with a counseler, discussing at length the diet with a friend at the Institute I've come to this conclusion about Kushi's diet. None of the practitioners agree with each other - they all have thier own version of the diet. The person that worked with Mark told me I was killing him by the juicing. Too processed. I found that very odd. Also when she took us to a restaurant that she approved of, she ordered some fried foods. Doubly odd in my mind.

    I have a problem with that woman's frightening email on the eve of Mark's second round of chemo. He's already scared out of his wits by doing the chemo but he did finally make the decision and is trying to trust in this treatment. Interesting that Mishio's wife and daughter died from cancer and he had colon cancer himself. In other words, he didn't follow his own diet. He ate badly and smoked. Even more interesting is the fact that Mishio relied on Western medicine - he did not apply his own diet to his disease. I wrote that woman back and asked what exact treatment that Mishio used and I never heard back from her.
  • musiclover
    musiclover Member Posts: 242
    I just checked my email and there was letter from the Kushi woman. Her tone was totally different in this email. Here is the letter I sent in response to her first one:

    Mina
    Thank you for your email.
    Have you worked with rectal patients before, more importantly rectal patients whose cancer has spread to the liver and lungs? Is it possible for me to talk with any of them? If he decides not to do the chemo and it spreads further I will feel completely responsible if I am instrumental in convincing him not to do this.
    Will you be willing to work with him if he does have the chemo? Will it help? What if he does the chemo for a short time to shrink the lesions in the lungs and goes off? He is short of breath because there are several lesions. He hasn't had any chemo/radiation for over two months. I am at my wits end trying to do the right thing.
    Do you know what Michio did for his cancer? I know he turned to Western medicine for treatment.
    If this decision is made it has to be done tonight. Please write me soon.

    And her response...

    Hello Kathryn,

    I have experience working with rectal patients whose cancer had spread to the liver and lungs, but their information is confidential. You can get more information and testimonies from Alex Jack's book 'Let Food be Thy Medicine'. In essence, those individuals who were strict and followed the healing Macrobiotic dietary and lifestyle recommendations were able to recover. Would you be so kind and tell me how old is Mark? In reference to Michio Kushi's condition and his operation, with all his knowledge he made a conscious urgent decision also proving that the western and alternative medicine can work together.

    With the Macrobiotic approach it is possible to heal any type of condition, but at the end it is up to the individual to make the decision and stick with the program and healing goals.

    Since I haven't had a chance to consult with Mark and thus don't know his specific health condition, I am not in a position to suggest or oppose medical intervention.
    No one should make this decision for him - but himself.

    It is a wonderful thing that Mark has such a great caring and supportive friend, but in my practice I prefer to talk with the individual in need directly. If he is interested, please have him call me tomorrow at 10 am at this number: 760.436.4499

    Wishing you all the best,
    Mina Dobic



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kathryn Grimm [mailto:grimmmusic@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:09 PM
    To: Mina Dobic
    Subject: RE: Urgent question regarding friend with cancer
  • KathiM
    KathiM Member Posts: 8,028 Member
    OK, Emily, but I feel compelled to state the other side of the coin.
    One of my friends decided to follow only the macrobiotics regime, even tho the docs were saying that chemo was recommended for her anal cancer. She lost her fight.
    I had the same type of cancer, farther up, on the rectum, had chemo/radiation pre-surgical, and on my visit to the surgeon, when he did the flex sig, he said "Now where WAS this tumor?" I think it comes down to whatever personal choice you make, but obviously that statement from NCI was quoted a little out of context.
    The tough part of the cancer fight is each case is different. It's a constantly changing playing field. What works for one, doesn't for another.
    And now, I will step down off of MY soapbox, and agree to disagree.

    Hugs,
    Kathi
  • CAMaura
    CAMaura Member Posts: 719 Member
    I think that it is incredibly important to value and to respect the opinions given on this site. But, as I wrtite this, I have to also say that I value nutrition and the part it plays every day in my life and my fight against persistent cancer.
    If one does want to go the chemo road, I would suggest getting on a nutritonal plan directly - and I mean DIRECTLY - after chemo: to clean out the toxic effects of chemo and to start to rebuild a better, stronger body.

    If one decides to go the non-chemo route, facilitiate a plan and philosophy which will not allow one to feel any lack of competence.

    Either way, I am asking all of us to use nutrition to help in every way. I tried chemo (nine of 12 completed) and I firmly believe that nutrition brought my body back into balance; and I work to keep it that way. It is not always easy, but when I am eating any amount of junk (anything with refined white flour or sugar) I feel it directly in my intestines. It scares the hell out of me and brings me back to trying to eat well...a plant-based diet with juicing and as much raw fruits and veggies and whole, sprouted grains as possible.
    Anyone and everyone should Google: alkaline diet and cancer prevention - and see what shows on the screen. My hope is that a lot will show on the screen!

    Nutrition is medicine, solid medicine - how and when we choose to embrace it is up to us.

    All the best - Maura
  • CAMaura
    CAMaura Member Posts: 719 Member
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member

    When I first heard of Mark's chemo I hired a Kushi counseler, one that had helped a friend's father recover from brain cancer. Mark's doctors would not operate on him until he had radiation and chemo to shrink it down - it was too big and that would be dangerous. The Kushi person agreed in this case Western medicine would be necessary. That's what he did in addition to the diet and now it has spread.

    He's stage IV. I wouldn't feel right convincing him to rely soley on diet at this point when he has lesions in his lungs. What if it didn't work? I'd feel responsible. I'm a huge beliver in diet. John McDougall is excellent - no bull, plant based diet. I believe any low fat plant based diet (preferably vegan) will be beneficial. After much research, working with a counseler, discussing at length the diet with a friend at the Institute I've come to this conclusion about Kushi's diet. None of the practitioners agree with each other - they all have thier own version of the diet. The person that worked with Mark told me I was killing him by the juicing. Too processed. I found that very odd. Also when she took us to a restaurant that she approved of, she ordered some fried foods. Doubly odd in my mind.

    I have a problem with that woman's frightening email on the eve of Mark's second round of chemo. He's already scared out of his wits by doing the chemo but he did finally make the decision and is trying to trust in this treatment. Interesting that Mishio's wife and daughter died from cancer and he had colon cancer himself. In other words, he didn't follow his own diet. He ate badly and smoked. Even more interesting is the fact that Mishio relied on Western medicine - he did not apply his own diet to his disease. I wrote that woman back and asked what exact treatment that Mishio used and I never heard back from her.

    hi musiclover,

    I felt compelled to write the post due to the responses it caused. There seemed to be some lack of info on macro and I wanted to set it straight.

    As for Mark's situation....I completely understand that every journey is different. I would never tell someone to NOT do chemo as in my case....that decision is totally personal. But like I said, there are no guarantees either way.

    All of us could roll out examples on both sides of the issue to back up our decisions.

    My point I was trying to make was that macro is a simple eating plan that helps to balance acid/alkaline which is life-giving.

    My Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner was not crazy about my juicing 3 quarts of veggie juice a day either. In chinese med it's too much "wet/cold". But I was combining the two most successful curing diets.

    So my attempt was to educate on macrobiotics, not judge anyone's decisions. Just present the facts.

    peace, emily
  • kangatoo
    kangatoo Member Posts: 2,105 Member
    CAMaura said:

    What wonderfull posts we have here and the beauty of this site is that we all can benefit from each others "advice" which is intended in all goodwill to give every one of us the opportunity to choose an approach.The diverse ways in which we all have available to us is highlighted in these posts and for all you guys to be objective and openminded towards all available options is incredibly commendable. I guess if you remember one of my recent posts...I mentioned that Jen and I both use Reiki. Only up until recently have I disclosed that point. Personally I chose to do chemo as well as alter my diet(and Jen's too btw...I'm the cook!) and also physically, mentally and spiritually with Reiki. I have the belief also that each individual must choose their own path to take on this journey. Scouty made the choice to stop chemo because of its effects on her and followed your path Em.Her current status of NED must give some creedence to the path you both followed. Even tho I did chemo there is tremendous merit in the advice that Emily and Maura have written here.Even tho there are many that might be unwilling to take your "no chemo" path Em I still think that your actions have proven that there is enormous benefit in what you have/and are doing in relation to juicing and dietary monitoring.
    Thats why we luv yah gal!
    If I had the choice again I would still do chemo as well as look at diet...but thats "my" decision.
    huggs, Ross and Jen
  • scouty
    scouty Member Posts: 1,965 Member
    Thanks for the plug Kanga,

    Yes, I chose to stop chemo after 8 months of it. At the time (Nov 2004) surgery was not an option (never had been) and there was no end in sight for chemo. I figured I was dying and decided to die from the cancer instead of the chemo and hoped to improve the quality of my remaining life.

    I was desperate at the time and did many, many things that my Naturopathic Doctor (with a PhD in Clinical Nutrition.....very important degree) recommended....not just juicing/diet. It was almost a full time job. After 25 years with my employer, I was fortunate to have disability pay. I know the stress of my job contributed to my getting cancer in the first place so I ended of taking early retirement. I am in the process of fixing up my house to sell as I continue to downsize my financial obligations. I play, pray, relax, and laugh more now.

    Bottom line, I put my faith and energy in the alternative approach just as I had with the chemo 8 months earlier (both are well documented sciences). The key is to do some research and believe in what you chose to do.

    I remember distinctely being told I had 2-3 years to live and how much longer each of the chemo drugs would give me. 5FU would give me 12-18 months, oxiliplatin 6 months, Avastin 3 more. No one ever gave me a chance to survive without a miracle, until I met my Naturopathic Doctor. At the time, I thought she was crazy, but sure don't anymore.

    I am not so naive as to think I will always be cancer free. It could be back inside me already for all I know and if and when it does, I will have to start all over again and weight my options and make decisions then.

    There is only one thing I know for sure right now. Cancer cells will have a very difficult time surviving within my body. I work very hard at that.

    Lisa P.
  • NanD
    NanD Member Posts: 58
    The NCI report cited was completed in 1985. I personally don't feel that report could possibly apply to all the new chemotherapeutic regimes that we have available to us today. Thank heavens for all the breakthroughs in the colon cancer treatment world. But I do agree let's all use nutrition along with the meds!
  • HowardJ
    HowardJ Member Posts: 474
    Hi Emily,

    I've always been impressed to read your posts describing how you overcame advanced cancer with diet alone. However I need to comment on your quote about the NCI study from 1985 as it may be misleading in light of newer therepies. I don't believe current data support the statement that post surgical chemotherapy is ineffective. While there are questions surrounding the benefit of chemotherapy post surgery in early stage cancer, newer data support the benefit of post surgical chemotherapy in advanced cancers.

    Howard