why are people so touchy about God

bruins1971
bruins1971 Member Posts: 227
Hello everyone my name is Bobby and I am 38 years old. I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in March and have been fighting it since. I have had colon surgery to remove a foot and a golf ball sized tumor. I then had 5 rounds of chemo to shrink my tumors and by the grace of God they shrunk 40% oh sorry they were two tumors in my liver. Now I am finishing up the final 7 rounds of chemo to get to 12. Today I had round 10 and am so looking forward to getting that final round done and jumping for joy as I know that the Lord has healed me. By his stripes I am healed.

I have only been on this site for about 2 weeks and had NO clue that if I posted something of religion I would be beaten up by the non-believers out there. I had no intentions of upsetting anyone and even put in the subject line that this post was about God. I guess my issue is if they don't believe then why open that particular post and then complain about it. Why not just skip over that post and respect my beliefs the way I respect others. I respect all races, creeds, religions and sexuality but yet others want to tell me to come to this site to talk about God. They say the other place is for talking about experiences and ways to beat cancer. HELLO is there not a better way to beat cancer than to realize that Jesus Christ is the way to Heaven and that with God all things are possible.

God Bless you all

Bobby
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  • greta
    greta Member Posts: 237
    As explained elsewhere...
    Ignoring posts one doesn't want to read is not a solution. Proselytizing anywhere on CSN is a site violation.

    Greta
    Your CSN staff
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    "I said Jesus, you look tired! He said, Jesus! So do you!"
    (John Prine reference)

    First and foremost, congratulations on getting through your chemotherapy treatments. I am hopeful that they prove to be effective for you!

    Second, while I am agnostic, I have been studying religions for basically my entire life and have been known to say, here and elsewhere, that I actually envy people of true faith: they are fortunate, I think, to have such powerful belief.

    That said, you would have to be naive not to recognize that when religion or politics gets into any interchange between human beings, bad things can happen and often do happen (see the Middle East). It is unfortunate that this is so, but it happens to be a fact, or so it seems so to me.

    So, many of us who use this site, in the interest of harmony and maintaining its fundamental purpose, avoid the discussion of politics and religion. From my perspective, that seems to work really well.

    The adminstrators of this site, apparently in the interest of free expression, created this particular board so that people COULD express their feelings about spirituality, meditation, religion, and so on. Please note that the title of the board is broad enough to include more than one religious dogma, more than one religion, and even agnosticism, pantheism, atheism, paganism, and so on.

    Personally, I have been most impressed by the civility shown on this board, and even more impressed by the inquisitive nature of many respondents.

    I do not hang out on the colon board, although I have a number of friends who are quite active on it, so I haven't read the posts you speak of. Off-hand, I would say that you have a legitimate gripe if you put 'god' in the subject matter of your original post and people sought it out to write what you find to be offensive arguments. But, see the above re religion and politics.

    That's the way I see it, but I've been wrong before :).

    I wish you the very best with your survivorship, Bobby, and look forward to your contributions to this board.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • Rayman
    Rayman Member Posts: 11
    Hello Bobby
    I am 52 years

    Hello Bobby
    I am 52 years old and was dx two years ago with stage IV colon cancer. regretably I did not truely give my self over to God untill my dx. I just wanted to say that God is a bigger part in my fight than the cancer itself.
    If the CSN does not understand that then it is their loss and I pray for them.
    We as Christians know we dont need luck we need GOD.
  • pink05
    pink05 Member Posts: 550
    greta said:

    As explained elsewhere...
    Ignoring posts one doesn't want to read is not a solution. Proselytizing anywhere on CSN is a site violation.

    Greta
    Your CSN staff

    Greta,
    How about expressing

    Greta,

    How about expressing Hindu, Muslim, Athiest, fill in in blank...views? I bet that is allowed on this site.

    I feel sorry for you and for others on this website who feel it is critical to persecute Christians. I used to donate money to your organization, but I will no longer do so and I will encourage others not to do so as well.

    Your loss---not mine.

    God bless you...Lord knows that you need it.
  • pink05
    pink05 Member Posts: 550
    Bobby,
    Thank God for people

    Bobby,

    Thank God for people like you. Thank you for posting your story. My father was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer 5 years ago and was healed. He is still here today because Jesus healed him. I prayed endlessly and asked others to pray for him. I became more spiritual and the Lord has blessed me so much as a result of my father's experience. I hope this will encourage you and others out there who have this disease or any other suffering in this life.

    Keep the faith...God will grant you many blessings as a result of it. Don't ever give up!!! I will add you to my prayer list.

    God bless you!!!

    -Lee-
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    pink05 said:

    Greta,
    How about expressing

    Greta,

    How about expressing Hindu, Muslim, Athiest, fill in in blank...views? I bet that is allowed on this site.

    I feel sorry for you and for others on this website who feel it is critical to persecute Christians. I used to donate money to your organization, but I will no longer do so and I will encourage others not to do so as well.

    Your loss---not mine.

    God bless you...Lord knows that you need it.

    Hmmm
    Let us hope that as you discontinue your financial support, (which I am certain was substantial and has the ACS in a frenzy at this very moment wondering how they will cover the loss), you also discontinue your 'intellectual' contributions to this site.

    What is sad is that until about 24 hours ago this particular board was really one of tolerance. Interesting to me how two or three so-called christians can infect ...INFECT ... a board with their viral intolerant presence.

    The Jesus I know about would be ashamed of you.
  • Marcia527
    Marcia527 Member Posts: 2,729
    the rules are for all of us
    CSN needs to lay ground rules because when people talk about religion they feel strongly about, things could get ugly real quick. This place is for support after all, for people with cancer of whatever religion or non-religion. They don't want us using the cancer board to push individual opinions. We discuss them on the spirituality board but aren't to push an agenda. That's all of us. If you want to say whatever you want, there are free sites you can use. Google blogspot is one of them. I did not read what went on in the colon cancer board, just trying to help. A flame war doesn't help anyone.
  • geotina
    geotina Member Posts: 2,111 Member
    pink05 said:

    Bobby,
    Thank God for people

    Bobby,

    Thank God for people like you. Thank you for posting your story. My father was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer 5 years ago and was healed. He is still here today because Jesus healed him. I prayed endlessly and asked others to pray for him. I became more spiritual and the Lord has blessed me so much as a result of my father's experience. I hope this will encourage you and others out there who have this disease or any other suffering in this life.

    Keep the faith...God will grant you many blessings as a result of it. Don't ever give up!!! I will add you to my prayer list.

    God bless you!!!

    -Lee-

    Pink:
    Congratulations on your father's remissiion from colon cancer. It is truly one of the ugliest cancers around. I am the caregiver to my husgand who has Stage IV colon cancer.

    When you say your prayers tonight, please put one in for the doctors involved in your father's care, I'm sure they had something to do with his healing.

    Continued healing to all - Tina
  • pink05
    pink05 Member Posts: 550

    Hmmm
    Let us hope that as you discontinue your financial support, (which I am certain was substantial and has the ACS in a frenzy at this very moment wondering how they will cover the loss), you also discontinue your 'intellectual' contributions to this site.

    What is sad is that until about 24 hours ago this particular board was really one of tolerance. Interesting to me how two or three so-called christians can infect ...INFECT ... a board with their viral intolerant presence.

    The Jesus I know about would be ashamed of you.

    The Jesus I know
    No, Soccer:

    I think the Jesus I know would be very proud of me for defending him. Too few of us do that these days.
  • pink05
    pink05 Member Posts: 550
    geotina said:

    Pink:
    Congratulations on your father's remissiion from colon cancer. It is truly one of the ugliest cancers around. I am the caregiver to my husgand who has Stage IV colon cancer.

    When you say your prayers tonight, please put one in for the doctors involved in your father's care, I'm sure they had something to do with his healing.

    Continued healing to all - Tina

    Thanks, Geotina:
    Yes, I do

    Thanks, Geotina:

    Yes, I do say prayers for the docs who cared for my father, particularly for the excellent surgeon who removed half of his colon. God has blessed this surgeon with incredible talent. I am very thankful for doctors like him.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    Missing the point I think
    Bobby, I don't understand why you feel "beaten up" as you put it. I feel that everyone is able to believe whatever they want to believe. This goes for christian, muslims, hindus, jews, agnostics, atheists, santa claus...whatever. The point of this site is about dealing with cancer and there are numerous forums set up to help people with a wide variety of cancers as well as other issues that go along with it. While often many people find solace in their faith there is a line between praying for someone and preaching and/or turning the site into a bible study group. That is where the problems arise. This is not a freedom of speech issue as many would like to think it is, but as Greta pointed out, this site has Terms & Conditions that need to be followed. It's very common, this is nothing new. This site is not a christian bible study site. If it were and you were being asked to not post then you would have a valid complaint.

    Many people like to be able to go to the colon cancer forum and discuss things that have to do with colon cancer. I do not want to have to be careful what I click on to avoid hearing about something that is not related to colon cancer. I don't feel that is too much to ask. While I can avoid posts, posts can also be but under the proper forum which really seems like a more sensible solution. When I want to discuss religion or hear other people's religious views, I come here to do that.

    It has nothing to do with christianity, the same holds true for ANY religion. While it may be your duty to preach just as it is in many other faiths, there is a place for it. That is part of why this forum was created. I've noticed that people with strong faith often find it hard to understand that others do not share their beliefs. Trust me, many people do not share the same faith. I feel the same way. I don't understand how so many people can believe in religions that take ancient books that were written at a time when people thought that if they sailed in a boat they would fall off the edge of the earth or be eaten by serpents, as being facts. But getting into discussions, which in the past become very heated, really do not belong in a section of the cancer site that is supposed to be focusing on sharing information about different treatments and how we handled them or what new advances have been made in battling cancer. It helps no one and just divides us. What does it have to do with dealing with side effects? If one is going to ignore medicine and just pray for healing then they are possibly at the wrong site.

    And just reading the end of your post could really be offensive to many. There are other faiths out there that do not believe in the Jesus Christ thing. So are they doomed then in your eyes? It's that mentality that has caused 99% of the world's suffering and it's nice to know that it's thriving in the good old USA.

    I'll stick to my doctors for beating cancer.
    Be well,
    phil
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    pink05 said:

    Greta,
    How about expressing

    Greta,

    How about expressing Hindu, Muslim, Athiest, fill in in blank...views? I bet that is allowed on this site.

    I feel sorry for you and for others on this website who feel it is critical to persecute Christians. I used to donate money to your organization, but I will no longer do so and I will encourage others not to do so as well.

    Your loss---not mine.

    God bless you...Lord knows that you need it.

    Bring out the Lions!
    What's with the persecution complex? READ the Terms & Conditions. It applies to ALL RELIGIONS. Maybe the reason you do not see comments from the religions that you are complaining about is that they actually read the T&C or they feel comfortable with their faith (and themselves) and do not need to preach to people.
    Is it that hard to fathom that not everyone on the planet thinks like you do Pink?

    So much for charity, you miss the whole point anyway...
  • Noellesmom
    Noellesmom Member Posts: 1,859 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Missing the point I think
    Bobby, I don't understand why you feel "beaten up" as you put it. I feel that everyone is able to believe whatever they want to believe. This goes for christian, muslims, hindus, jews, agnostics, atheists, santa claus...whatever. The point of this site is about dealing with cancer and there are numerous forums set up to help people with a wide variety of cancers as well as other issues that go along with it. While often many people find solace in their faith there is a line between praying for someone and preaching and/or turning the site into a bible study group. That is where the problems arise. This is not a freedom of speech issue as many would like to think it is, but as Greta pointed out, this site has Terms & Conditions that need to be followed. It's very common, this is nothing new. This site is not a christian bible study site. If it were and you were being asked to not post then you would have a valid complaint.

    Many people like to be able to go to the colon cancer forum and discuss things that have to do with colon cancer. I do not want to have to be careful what I click on to avoid hearing about something that is not related to colon cancer. I don't feel that is too much to ask. While I can avoid posts, posts can also be but under the proper forum which really seems like a more sensible solution. When I want to discuss religion or hear other people's religious views, I come here to do that.

    It has nothing to do with christianity, the same holds true for ANY religion. While it may be your duty to preach just as it is in many other faiths, there is a place for it. That is part of why this forum was created. I've noticed that people with strong faith often find it hard to understand that others do not share their beliefs. Trust me, many people do not share the same faith. I feel the same way. I don't understand how so many people can believe in religions that take ancient books that were written at a time when people thought that if they sailed in a boat they would fall off the edge of the earth or be eaten by serpents, as being facts. But getting into discussions, which in the past become very heated, really do not belong in a section of the cancer site that is supposed to be focusing on sharing information about different treatments and how we handled them or what new advances have been made in battling cancer. It helps no one and just divides us. What does it have to do with dealing with side effects? If one is going to ignore medicine and just pray for healing then they are possibly at the wrong site.

    And just reading the end of your post could really be offensive to many. There are other faiths out there that do not believe in the Jesus Christ thing. So are they doomed then in your eyes? It's that mentality that has caused 99% of the world's suffering and it's nice to know that it's thriving in the good old USA.

    I'll stick to my doctors for beating cancer.
    Be well,
    phil

    the point
    I hear what you are saying, phil.

    I have to note, though, not one of my husband's many doctors who performed procedures did so without asking our permission for prayer first.

    Because Jim and I are Christians, we welcomed the prayers.

    I agree this board is not a place for denigration of any religion. Also, one of the reasons we come here is not to offend others but to offer support.

    My Christ speaks of meekness and gentleness in our relationships with others; tolerance was also another of His teachings.

    And, for Bobby who posts on this site: remember, Christians are taught to anticipate condemnation for their beliefs.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member

    the point
    I hear what you are saying, phil.

    I have to note, though, not one of my husband's many doctors who performed procedures did so without asking our permission for prayer first.

    Because Jim and I are Christians, we welcomed the prayers.

    I agree this board is not a place for denigration of any religion. Also, one of the reasons we come here is not to offend others but to offer support.

    My Christ speaks of meekness and gentleness in our relationships with others; tolerance was also another of His teachings.

    And, for Bobby who posts on this site: remember, Christians are taught to anticipate condemnation for their beliefs.

    Prayer
    I've had so many people pray for me and I am not offended by it at all. I see it as being symbolic of wanting everything to go well. Then again, I live in the NYC area so religion has a different meaning or is expressed differently than in other parts of the country like say...the bible belt. To live in the NYC area, one has to be tolerant of EVERYONE. It really is a melting pot of races, cultures, lifestyles, education, and the list goes on. I do have friends who live in some states where everyone on their block is a christian, a republican, or some other tight group of like minded people. It's not right or wrong nor here nor there, it's just the way it is. I prefer having a mix of peoples personally. I believe more can be said about a person by their actions and interactions with people more than by the label they attach to themselves.

    I think everyone can expect condemnation for whatever their beliefs are. The jews certainly had their share of it too. Until people can look at themselves as human beings who have to share the earth and not as this or that, we will continue to have the conflicts we've had through history. It's really all about control of people and of resources (unfortunately).

    But I think one can not go wrong with tolerance and with the Golden Rule.
    It seems too simple doesn't it?
  • Noellesmom
    Noellesmom Member Posts: 1,859 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Prayer
    I've had so many people pray for me and I am not offended by it at all. I see it as being symbolic of wanting everything to go well. Then again, I live in the NYC area so religion has a different meaning or is expressed differently than in other parts of the country like say...the bible belt. To live in the NYC area, one has to be tolerant of EVERYONE. It really is a melting pot of races, cultures, lifestyles, education, and the list goes on. I do have friends who live in some states where everyone on their block is a christian, a republican, or some other tight group of like minded people. It's not right or wrong nor here nor there, it's just the way it is. I prefer having a mix of peoples personally. I believe more can be said about a person by their actions and interactions with people more than by the label they attach to themselves.

    I think everyone can expect condemnation for whatever their beliefs are. The jews certainly had their share of it too. Until people can look at themselves as human beings who have to share the earth and not as this or that, we will continue to have the conflicts we've had through history. It's really all about control of people and of resources (unfortunately).

    But I think one can not go wrong with tolerance and with the Golden Rule.
    It seems too simple doesn't it?

    not too simple
    Nope, it seems just about right.

    We live in Huntsville, Alabama and while people may think of Alabama as very Southern (and in some ways, it is) it is also very cosmopolitan because of the military base located here, as well as the space and aeronautical work effort. I grew up with friends from a variety of religions and belief systems.

    Tolerance is definitely a virtue worth cultivating. No matter who you are or where you live.
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    RE Member Posts: 4,591 Member
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  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    pink05 said:

    The Jesus I know
    No, Soccer:

    I think the Jesus I know would be very proud of me for defending him. Too few of us do that these days.

    Blasphemy
    How presumptuous of you to, first, consider that the Son of God would NEED defending and, second, that you are up to the task. This strikes me as both blasphemous and egomaniacal.

    As I recall, in the bible Jesus instructs his followers at the Garden of Gesthemane NOT to bring arms against the Roman soldiers, which is to say NOT to defend him. I recall that he also urged his followers to turn their swords into ploughshares.

    Doesn't sound to me like a Son of God who needs or even WANTS defending. But then, he didn't have you around at the time.

    I might have read a different book. I've certainly been wrong before.

    Take care,

    Joe
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  • davexx
    davexx Member Posts: 55
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    Does God flip a coin??
    How does he choose who to save.Are some better than others.My wife was very relegious and prayed fervantly.Not just for herself but for everyone.Why did he choose to take her.Did it come up tails?? I know she was special and he wanted her to help do his work. Thanks
  • davexx said:

    Does God flip a coin??
    How does he choose who to save.Are some better than others.My wife was very relegious and prayed fervantly.Not just for herself but for everyone.Why did he choose to take her.Did it come up tails?? I know she was special and he wanted her to help do his work. Thanks

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