taste buds after radiation

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  • JGE
    JGE Member Posts: 51
    mentn said:

    Taste buds
    Is't it great to have so many helpful SURVIVORS on this board. I am three years post radiation today party at my house tonite!! I had 30 RAD treatment for SCC Right Tonsil could only taste
    spicy chinese food the first three months tried to follow doc orders and get lots of protein
    Carnation Instant Breadfast and Smoothies felt good going down withing 6 months most taste
    were back except for sweet flavors then about 18 months out I tasted chocolate for the first time I rem. that day well. Now 3 years later I have not only gained back the 27 pounds I
    lost but 10 extra but it is a joy to be healthy and have taste buds. Good luck to you all.

    Too cool
    Mentn, I love your post. Most of the time I am copying my wife with people on this site saying something went wrong or they had a reoccurance. It is just human nature to think the worst I guess. Sorta expect to be one of the unlucky ones all the time.

    I am a month away from 1 year post treatment. I have already past 1 year from the diagnosis date and the first date that I felt a swollen lymph node. I cannot wait until I am at the magic 3 year mark! I have about 85% of my taste back and your comments renewed my hope of getting even more taste. I feel great and have less and less times where I think the worse case scenario.

    Thanks for the boost. We are here to stay!!
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Helaine62 said:

    taste Buds
    I finished my 33 treatments June 13th and I still do not have my taste buds back and still have the dry mouth. I was told by my surgeon and ocologist that it could be quite a while. I hate my g tube and I want it out. I wish I could tell you that I have it back. Sorry. What I can eat Is; Cream of wheat hot cereal w/sugar, milk shakes made with whole milk, carnation instant breakfast, yogart, ice and strawberries or bananas. Blend it up and it tastes good. I also eat ice cream cups, vanilla pudding, apple sauce and tomato soup. My husband has been making all kinds of food for me to try and all I do is gag and cry, I cannot eat it. I do not know about the rest of you but I have lost a lot of weight and I am tall. This bothers me more than anything. I still do not have my strength back and I do not sleep through the night. The Doctor's say that I am rushing everything.....The days are long especially since I am used to go, go, going all the time. I just want to eat and gain weight and get my strength back to the way it is. Already have had two monthly check-ups:one with my surgeon and one with my ocologist. My surgeon put the tube down the nose and said everything looks good. Oh by the way. I had a golf ball size lump pop out on my neck and than it disappeared. They found it with one squamous cell in it. They put me through the ringer with all the tests and found that I have no origin. Only 5% of people have no origin. It took the doctors months to fiqure out what they were going to do with me....finally it was radiation. That part of the journey is over, now the recovering part. Would lov to hear from anyone. I love reading what you wrote and some of it is helpful. Take care everyone. PS: I love cantalope also.

    Helaine62

    It will all come back in time; I was a vegetating for about 10 years but two months after I finished my radiation for the second time around my wife and children were eating some Popeye’s fried Chicken. I had not tasted anything for about 4 months, so I reached in the box of chicken and took a little small crumb and put it in my mouth. My brain went wild because I was able to test it just a little. Needless to say from that point on I could not pass a KFC or Popeye’s with out stopping.

    I only have about 60% of my taste back but that is the best 60% as my body understands that this is the new normal me.

    Good luck and God bless; let us how you do when your taste comes back
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    Taste Bud Recovery
    I received my last dose of 35 radiation treatments the end of June 2009. I had been diagnosed with stage III SCC in the right tonsil and a small tumor on that same side behind and lower than my ear.

    I didn't need a PEG, but it's a rough diet for sure...for several weeks it was just Ensure and water, and even the water tasted like sweat. Most of the time I needed a numbing solution just to drink that. Eventually little by litte I started feeling better.

    I have regained a lot of taste, but not nearly as much as before treatment as of yet. Some things (a few) the same as before and with as much intensity. But most things taste similar, but the taste goes away after a few bites. Sweet seems to be the main taste holding out, I have hardly any taste of sweetness yet. Every once in awhile I'll notice that a taste is a little stronger than a few weeks ago. I'm hoping this progression will continue.

    My salivary glands are still pretty much shot, hopefully I'll regain more than I have. It's mainly the worst at night. It's a cycle, I get up to use the bathroom from all of the water during the day. My mouth is bone dry so I drink a little water, do my business and return to bed. A few hours later I repeat that cycle....

    If this is all the taste and salivary function that returns, I can live with it. I definitely seem to have it better than some others. But I'm not giving up hope for more and from the survivors here, it seems that more than likely as time goes on, some functions might still improve even more.

    John
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Skiffin16 said:

    Taste Bud Recovery
    I received my last dose of 35 radiation treatments the end of June 2009. I had been diagnosed with stage III SCC in the right tonsil and a small tumor on that same side behind and lower than my ear.

    I didn't need a PEG, but it's a rough diet for sure...for several weeks it was just Ensure and water, and even the water tasted like sweat. Most of the time I needed a numbing solution just to drink that. Eventually little by litte I started feeling better.

    I have regained a lot of taste, but not nearly as much as before treatment as of yet. Some things (a few) the same as before and with as much intensity. But most things taste similar, but the taste goes away after a few bites. Sweet seems to be the main taste holding out, I have hardly any taste of sweetness yet. Every once in awhile I'll notice that a taste is a little stronger than a few weeks ago. I'm hoping this progression will continue.

    My salivary glands are still pretty much shot, hopefully I'll regain more than I have. It's mainly the worst at night. It's a cycle, I get up to use the bathroom from all of the water during the day. My mouth is bone dry so I drink a little water, do my business and return to bed. A few hours later I repeat that cycle....

    If this is all the taste and salivary function that returns, I can live with it. I definitely seem to have it better than some others. But I'm not giving up hope for more and from the survivors here, it seems that more than likely as time goes on, some functions might still improve even more.

    John

    Skiffin16
    G'day John

    Something you might want to try using at night is a mouth spray; it can make the different between and good night and a bad night sleep. There are a lot of different products out there you can try; I use the Stoppers4 Dry Mouth spray I get it on line at www.drugstore.com

    PS: I like the picture of the boat, nothing better then being offshore with just the sea and blue sky above.
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    Hondo said:

    Skiffin16
    G'day John

    Something you might want to try using at night is a mouth spray; it can make the different between and good night and a bad night sleep. There are a lot of different products out there you can try; I use the Stoppers4 Dry Mouth spray I get it on line at www.drugstore.com

    PS: I like the picture of the boat, nothing better then being offshore with just the sea and blue sky above.

    Taste Bud Recovery & Dry Mouth
    Thanks Hondo,

    I'll definitely give the Stoppers a try.....

    LOL, I actually just changed that original photo to one of me on my Hewes Redfisher with a limit of Pompano that a friend and I caught in Tampa Bay. I live fairly close and fish there often. The other was on another friend's Maverick Master Angler. We were fishing near the Skyway Bridge for grouper that day at the mouth of Tampa Bay.

    Any day that I can get out fishing is a great day....but also right now any and every day that I'm a survivor is an awesome day.

    John
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Skiffin16 said:

    Taste Bud Recovery & Dry Mouth
    Thanks Hondo,

    I'll definitely give the Stoppers a try.....

    LOL, I actually just changed that original photo to one of me on my Hewes Redfisher with a limit of Pompano that a friend and I caught in Tampa Bay. I live fairly close and fish there often. The other was on another friend's Maverick Master Angler. We were fishing near the Skyway Bridge for grouper that day at the mouth of Tampa Bay.

    Any day that I can get out fishing is a great day....but also right now any and every day that I'm a survivor is an awesome day.

    John

    John
    I like the picture of the Fishs, that’s what I call a really nice day. I grew up on the bay Islands of Honduras and fished everyday, when not fishing I was diving, great place to be a kid. My Son moved to Tampa a year ago, he got married there but had to move back to Lafayette because he could not find any work. I have a 3 day meeting in Tampa next month and can't wait to get there; it is a great place and lots and lots of Food. Now that I can taste I love to eat even if I can’t open my mouth to far I can find a way of getting the food in there.

    Take care and keep fishing
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    Hondo said:

    John
    I like the picture of the Fishs, that’s what I call a really nice day. I grew up on the bay Islands of Honduras and fished everyday, when not fishing I was diving, great place to be a kid. My Son moved to Tampa a year ago, he got married there but had to move back to Lafayette because he could not find any work. I have a 3 day meeting in Tampa next month and can't wait to get there; it is a great place and lots and lots of Food. Now that I can taste I love to eat even if I can’t open my mouth to far I can find a way of getting the food in there.

    Take care and keep fishing

    Tampa Bay & Fishing
    Yes, I love to fish, I try to get out about every week-end if I can take care of everything during the week.

    Sorry about your son not finding work it's rough right now, what does he do?

    Maybe we can get together for some fishing depending on your schedule and timing. I'm taking some vacation time next month and might be out of town during that time though.

    Yes, Tampa does have some good places to eat. Where are you living now?

    John
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Skiffin16 said:

    Tampa Bay & Fishing
    Yes, I love to fish, I try to get out about every week-end if I can take care of everything during the week.

    Sorry about your son not finding work it's rough right now, what does he do?

    Maybe we can get together for some fishing depending on your schedule and timing. I'm taking some vacation time next month and might be out of town during that time though.

    Yes, Tampa does have some good places to eat. Where are you living now?

    John

    Fishing
    He works as a Car body repair man right now, but is going back to school, I am glad for him. I work in Louisianan for a diving company and do computerize maintenance on there Diving Vessels, that what I will be doing in Tampa next month.

    Don’t think I will get much time to do anything other then work but you never know, my e-mail address is on my post drop me a line and I will let you know when I am there, if nothing else just to meet you in person would be nice.

    Take care
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    Hondo said:

    Fishing
    He works as a Car body repair man right now, but is going back to school, I am glad for him. I work in Louisianan for a diving company and do computerize maintenance on there Diving Vessels, that what I will be doing in Tampa next month.

    Don’t think I will get much time to do anything other then work but you never know, my e-mail address is on my post drop me a line and I will let you know when I am there, if nothing else just to meet you in person would be nice.

    Take care

    Tampa
    Thanks, I'll do that....more than likely you'll be near places I fish regularly anyways....
  • barbjean
    barbjean Member Posts: 1
    taste buds
    Hi........

    I've never responded however I wanted to share with you that I completed radiation on my throat Sep 23 and have about 75% of my taste back. It's been very gradual so don't give up. It does get better.
    Good Luck!
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    barbjean said:

    taste buds
    Hi........

    I've never responded however I wanted to share with you that I completed radiation on my throat Sep 23 and have about 75% of my taste back. It's been very gradual so don't give up. It does get better.
    Good Luck!

    More Taste
    Double posted....
  • naturenaw
    naturenaw Member Posts: 26
    Some minimal taste buds remain - umami & smell help
    I lost my taste buds during treatments and especially didn’t like the tinny taste of food (from the chemo perhaps? I had Cisplatin.) During treatments I found the only things I could taste was cheese. It also helped to eat with plasticware and use plastic cups for drinks since silverware magnified the tinny taste.

    After treatments it’s been 5 years and I can taste some cheeses, pizza, tacos, spicy things (but I don’t like the “burn” associated with spicy things so I avoid them and ask for my pizza light on the sauce). I found out that there is a new taste sense (besides the original ones I was taught as a kid – sweet, sour, bitter, salty). The newest one found is called umami (mushrooms, asian food, chicken marsala,…) and I can taste a lot of those foods.

    Additionally I have found that I enjoy smelling foods. Foods that smell good, almost seem to taste to me. Technically I can’t taste them but they smell so good that I think my brain must be getting fooled into thinking that I can taste it. Cinnamon baked goods are an example – mmm mmmm!

    I would imagine my loss by this time, 5 years out of treatment, is probably permanent but I still hold the hope that one day taste will miraculously come back! I try to look at this as a blessing since I am a horrible cook (but my family still has to taste my cooking though!)

    I hope you get more of your taste buds back!
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    barbjean said:

    taste buds
    Hi........

    I've never responded however I wanted to share with you that I completed radiation on my throat Sep 23 and have about 75% of my taste back. It's been very gradual so don't give up. It does get better.
    Good Luck!

    More Taste
    I was just reading over this...

    Actually now that it has been several months since I last posted, I have made a lot of improvement since September.

    I can taste most everything now, although a few things lose taste rather quickly. Some sweet things haven't really came back, but a large variety has. I've pretty much discovered that I can taste most everything as before, just maybe not as intense or long lasting.

    I have also gotten a lot of my saliva back, though not entirely. Night still leaves me dry quite often, but not nearly as bad as in the past.

    I have improved a ton since the initial post treatment, and I feel that I am still improving in some areas, but it's a very gradual process.

    John
  • fixer9510
    fixer9510 Member Posts: 1
    Tasting anything after treatment?
    Hi ever one my name is Bryan, I have been through cancer treatment, for cancer on my tonsil,tongue and throat. Last treatment was 6 weeks ago and I still can not eat. Food taste like burnt flash to me. I ask the doctor about it and thy say it will take a long time to get my taste back and it will be different than it was before treatment. I have heard that a least 6mo. before you get some taste back even up to 1 year. I have found that for me if i can mask the taste with some kind of a spice it does help but if any one can help me find something else to try I would like to hear about it. THANK YOU. Bryan
  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
    fixer9510 said:

    Tasting anything after treatment?
    Hi ever one my name is Bryan, I have been through cancer treatment, for cancer on my tonsil,tongue and throat. Last treatment was 6 weeks ago and I still can not eat. Food taste like burnt flash to me. I ask the doctor about it and thy say it will take a long time to get my taste back and it will be different than it was before treatment. I have heard that a least 6mo. before you get some taste back even up to 1 year. I have found that for me if i can mask the taste with some kind of a spice it does help but if any one can help me find something else to try I would like to hear about it. THANK YOU. Bryan

    Taste Recovery
    Hi Bryan and welcome....

    If you read most of the posts above, you'll see common statements, such as everyone is different for one thing. I didn't really see where you mentioned radiation. Most people tend to lose considerable taste and saliva after radition. As for chemo, I can only speak for myself, and that usually came back within a few weeks after chemo, and it wasn't unlike before treatment. Radiation has changed that for me, nothng much is totally like before. But I can taste 90% of everything that I could before radiation. It's just not as intense and some things lose the taste fairly fast.

    I also cannoy speak as of the effects of your cancer treatment concerning your tongue, I had tonsil cancer an d a lymphnode.

    Hope you start regaining your taste soon....after radiation, it has taken close to 11 months and I'm just getting the majority of my taste back, even saliva is coming back.

    The main thing that I can offer is that it takes a long time to recover.

    John
  • mmalar97
    mmalar97 Member Posts: 2
    RoseEm said:

    My experience - 14 months after radiation
    I had 38 daily radiation treatments to my neck, throat. High doses. I finished a year ago February and while some of my taste has returned, my tongue seems to have been permanently affected. I cannot tolerate any kind of spice at all - even mild black pepper used sparingly. My doctor tells me to give it more time, but (and I really don't mean to be a "downer" here) after you try and try and try to eat what were once your favorite foods and can't, well I just don't try as much. So, my eating is really more like taking medicine 5 times a day. Yogurt, some cereals, Ensure, Boost, egg salad, cheesecake (my favorite), that's about it. My throat muscles were damaged, so that changes my situation from yours.

    I've talked with people at my radiologist's office and most seem to have their taste come back within a year.

    I guess what I'm saying is, "Do what I suggest and not as I do!" Keep trying. I used to hate the texture of cheesecake and now it's my super-treat, so things DO CHANGE.

    Good luck - keep trying!

    I need your advice
    Rose EM: You mentioned that there are not too many things that you can eat. Well, I turned 62, and was pleased that I had lived 5 years past total prostate cancer. Three months later, I was diagnosed with tongue and neck cancer. I had canser taken from my tongue(a donor patch from my hip was placed), and I had 1 lymph node removed from my neck. This was Dec 15, 2009. I started 30 double doses of radiation 6 weeks later. It is now early May 2010. There is one spot below the tongue (deep) that still causes great pain when I try to eat. I can eat eggs fried with bacon( I can't chew the bacon, though I love it). There are 2 to 3 other soft things I can handle. The doctors told me that the sore is nerve damage, and may never heal. I have lost over 40 pounds so far. I needed to lose 30 pounds before I was diagnosed, but now, I can't maintain my weight! I am losing 2-3 pounds a week. Do you have any suggestions for food. I have always loved cheese cake! Michael
  • sweetblood22
    sweetblood22 Member Posts: 3,228
    mmalar97 said:

    I need your advice
    Rose EM: You mentioned that there are not too many things that you can eat. Well, I turned 62, and was pleased that I had lived 5 years past total prostate cancer. Three months later, I was diagnosed with tongue and neck cancer. I had canser taken from my tongue(a donor patch from my hip was placed), and I had 1 lymph node removed from my neck. This was Dec 15, 2009. I started 30 double doses of radiation 6 weeks later. It is now early May 2010. There is one spot below the tongue (deep) that still causes great pain when I try to eat. I can eat eggs fried with bacon( I can't chew the bacon, though I love it). There are 2 to 3 other soft things I can handle. The doctors told me that the sore is nerve damage, and may never heal. I have lost over 40 pounds so far. I needed to lose 30 pounds before I was diagnosed, but now, I can't maintain my weight! I am losing 2-3 pounds a week. Do you have any suggestions for food. I have always loved cheese cake! Michael

    suggestions for food.
    I too have been extremely limited in being able to eat food normally. My tongue is still in a lot of pain, most foods still burn my mouth, and I have a great deal of trouble with swallowing due to radiation damage. I have had two dilliations since my radiation ended may of last year. I am still getting most of my nutrition from my peg tube that i have had i n for 14 months. I am trying to gain my 40 lbs back, but it isn't easy when you can't eat much.

    Boiled potatoes? Butter and sour cream. Oatmeal. Avocados. Tiny pastina. Pureed beans with garlic and olive oil on a torilla. Bananas. Shakes. Cooked zucchini squash. Cream cheese. I layer a bit of cream cheese on a 6" flour tortilla, add one slice of ham or turkey, and a bit of shredded carrot and lettuce, and roll up. I can't seem to swallow eggs, but if you can what about an omlette? tofu?

    I also have an emulsifier and I try to make fruit smoothies when I can. Someone on this site once mentioned a cookbook for dysphagia. I might try it when my mouth can tolerate more foods someday, I hope. I cannot eat bread or cookies aor cake products, or meats at all. I have found about 5 or six things I can sort of eat. I do better eating alone, so I can concitrate. I still choke and gag a lot.

    I hope that you have more healing. Keep trying, I know it's tough. I bought tofu, sliced cheese, and truffle oil to try today. I walk thru the store thinking...hmm..I wonder if I can swallow that??? I try one new thing every day or so. I still cannot taste much either. It is frustrating. I had my diet after my treatment all planned out. Hi in fruit and veg, very low sugar and dairy, yada yada. I cannot swallow the veg, the fruit burns my mouth. All I can taste are sweet things, and dairy is the only thing that does not burn my mouth, but actually feels good. I at least went from 88lbs to about 96 with the overnight pump they gave me. I cannot get anywhere what I need by mouth alone.

    My father made a huge seafood paella today, and I had to suffer through the smell of popcorn at the movie theatre today, we went to see Iron Man II. Some days are tougher than others. I really wanted paella and popcorn. :( I miss food.

    Looking at books I might try:

    http://www.amazon.com/Dysphagia-Cookbook-Elayne-Achilles/dp/1581823487

    http://www.sourcebooks.com/products/cumberland/cumberland/9781581823486-dysphagia-cookbook.html
  • Scambuster
    Scambuster Member Posts: 973
    mmalar97 said:

    I need your advice
    Rose EM: You mentioned that there are not too many things that you can eat. Well, I turned 62, and was pleased that I had lived 5 years past total prostate cancer. Three months later, I was diagnosed with tongue and neck cancer. I had canser taken from my tongue(a donor patch from my hip was placed), and I had 1 lymph node removed from my neck. This was Dec 15, 2009. I started 30 double doses of radiation 6 weeks later. It is now early May 2010. There is one spot below the tongue (deep) that still causes great pain when I try to eat. I can eat eggs fried with bacon( I can't chew the bacon, though I love it). There are 2 to 3 other soft things I can handle. The doctors told me that the sore is nerve damage, and may never heal. I have lost over 40 pounds so far. I needed to lose 30 pounds before I was diagnosed, but now, I can't maintain my weight! I am losing 2-3 pounds a week. Do you have any suggestions for food. I have always loved cheese cake! Michael

    Diet
    MM,

    Very brief, but you need to learn something about nutrition and diet my friend.

    Your survival depends on it.

    You have had your second dose of cancer and are eating 'bacon' !! Do yourself a huge favor and go out and buy these 2 books:

    1. 'Healing cancer from the inside out' -Anderson
    2. 'The China Study' - Dr Colin T Campbell.

    As for suggestions for food - Stop eating all Animal products and all dairy products and all processed food. That only leaves you about a billion choices among all the wonderful fresh fruits and vegetable and nuts and legumes.

    Who ever has advised you in your treatments needs a change out. Sorry to be blunt but your life is riding on your eating habits. Go learn about it please.

    Scam
  • BigMike_LV
    BigMike_LV Member Posts: 1
    Taste Buds
    Hi Everyone

    Much like slick52 my radiation treatments were over last Monday. I was being treated around the head and neck as well as my tongue. I had 35 treatments of radiation and 3 chemo (cisplatin) Im relatively young compared to most of the folks Ive seen and talked to only 41. I responded really well to the treatment lost some weight and was able to continue working through the entire process. I can eat much better now than before but its mostly soft-ish stuff, soups, eggs, cereal etc.

    I have many of the same questions?

    Thanks
  • sweetblood22
    sweetblood22 Member Posts: 3,228

    Taste Buds
    Hi Everyone

    Much like slick52 my radiation treatments were over last Monday. I was being treated around the head and neck as well as my tongue. I had 35 treatments of radiation and 3 chemo (cisplatin) Im relatively young compared to most of the folks Ive seen and talked to only 41. I responded really well to the treatment lost some weight and was able to continue working through the entire process. I can eat much better now than before but its mostly soft-ish stuff, soups, eggs, cereal etc.

    I have many of the same questions?

    Thanks

    Taste
    I got done a year ago and I am just noticing i can taste a couple of things I could not before. It has been very slow going for me. Most things burn my tongue and taste like wall paper paste. I mostly can only taste sweet things, which I find most palatable. which is strange because I have always hated sweet things before radiation. Even things that do not taste salty to others taste pasty and salty to me.