Dr. Lenz on diet and supplements for patients with CRC

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  • serrana
    serrana Member Posts: 163 Member
    #22
    dasspears said:

    Just fixed that issue....
    I can now be PM'd! Thank you so much for posting the references!

    sugar and cancer
    Just a comment....it is possible that if Dr Lenz says that it is the insulin spikes that feed the cancer then he isn't actually saying that sugar CAUSES cancer, just that once there is a malignancy the presence of insulin interferes with the body's defense system in getting rid of it.
    If sugar and insulin issues CAUSED cancer we would see lots of diabetics w/ cancer wouldn't we?
    It seems that the new research points to genetic mismatch instability in cell recognition of uncontrollable growth as the reason malignancy appears and survives.
    Then how we treat that is possibly to deprive the cells of glucose? or insulin? or give them nutrients that will help them fight? or just go in and kill them ( chemo, targeted therapy, radiation) or all of the above.....There really isn't one answer or we wouldn't have any cancer in the world.......
    Serrana
  • califsue
    califsue Member Posts: 80
    #23
    serrana said:

    sugar and cancer
    Just a comment....it is possible that if Dr Lenz says that it is the insulin spikes that feed the cancer then he isn't actually saying that sugar CAUSES cancer, just that once there is a malignancy the presence of insulin interferes with the body's defense system in getting rid of it.
    If sugar and insulin issues CAUSED cancer we would see lots of diabetics w/ cancer wouldn't we?
    It seems that the new research points to genetic mismatch instability in cell recognition of uncontrollable growth as the reason malignancy appears and survives.
    Then how we treat that is possibly to deprive the cells of glucose? or insulin? or give them nutrients that will help them fight? or just go in and kill them ( chemo, targeted therapy, radiation) or all of the above.....There really isn't one answer or we wouldn't have any cancer in the world.......
    Serrana

    Insulin spikes cause existing tumors to grow
    Serrana,

    The sugar/cancer connection can be confusing. In no way did Dr. Lenz imply that sugar causes cancer. If you have metastatic disease, i.e. existing tumors one thing that you can do to help control the growth of the existing tumors is to keep your blood sugar stable which means no insulin spikes. This does not mean that you cannot eat sugar or that sugar causes cancer. What is does mean is that if you watch what you eat and when you eat it so that your blood sugar remains stable, then you are doing one thing more to help control this awful disease.

    Hope this helps,
    Susan
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
    #24
    califsue said:

    Insulin spikes cause existing tumors to grow
    Serrana,

    The sugar/cancer connection can be confusing. In no way did Dr. Lenz imply that sugar causes cancer. If you have metastatic disease, i.e. existing tumors one thing that you can do to help control the growth of the existing tumors is to keep your blood sugar stable which means no insulin spikes. This does not mean that you cannot eat sugar or that sugar causes cancer. What is does mean is that if you watch what you eat and when you eat it so that your blood sugar remains stable, then you are doing one thing more to help control this awful disease.

    Hope this helps,
    Susan

    Except that....
    sugar creates an acidic pH in your system which DOES feed the cancer also. It's really a better policy to avoid ALL refined sugar, alcohol, meat, dairy refined grains, toxic emotions, stress, etc due to the pH issue when dealing with cancer or any disease for that matter.

    This is in conjunction to stabilizing blood sugar/insulin spikes.

    Our bodies have to tell those blasted cancer cells they aren't welcome!

    GREEN = LIFE

    peace, emily
  • califsue
    califsue Member Posts: 80
    #25
    2bhealed said:

    Except that....
    sugar creates an acidic pH in your system which DOES feed the cancer also. It's really a better policy to avoid ALL refined sugar, alcohol, meat, dairy refined grains, toxic emotions, stress, etc due to the pH issue when dealing with cancer or any disease for that matter.

    This is in conjunction to stabilizing blood sugar/insulin spikes.

    Our bodies have to tell those blasted cancer cells they aren't welcome!

    GREEN = LIFE

    peace, emily

    Thanks but....
    Emily,

    Thank you for your valuable information, as always. But.....I don't know how to get myself motivated to improve my diet. Part of it has to do with the fact that I am on Folfiri/Avastin every other week which makes my taste buds really picky and makes me lazy in the kitchen. I don't eat meat, only fish. I have one cup of coffee in the morning with milk and sugar. That's the only sugar and dairy that I have except for a small amount of goat cheese now and then. I eat a lot of fresh vegetables in salads, cooked veggies with tofu and brown rice, wild salmon, etc. On my chemo off weeks, I have a glass of red wine with dinner (wine tastes terrible to me on chemo).

    Perhaps this should have been a PM directly to you. Perhaps you've already posted this information, but what do you eat? I tried cooking kale and it was a disaster. I wish that I could beam you down to my kitchen!

    Thanks,
    Susan
  • jscho
    jscho Member Posts: 62
    #26
    2bhealed said:

    Except that....
    sugar creates an acidic pH in your system which DOES feed the cancer also. It's really a better policy to avoid ALL refined sugar, alcohol, meat, dairy refined grains, toxic emotions, stress, etc due to the pH issue when dealing with cancer or any disease for that matter.

    This is in conjunction to stabilizing blood sugar/insulin spikes.

    Our bodies have to tell those blasted cancer cells they aren't welcome!

    GREEN = LIFE

    peace, emily

    how does acidity affect cancer?
    I'm curious about the comment that lower pH "feeds" cancer. The cell regulates the "acidity" of the cytoplasm with proton pumps and other ion channels. I don't know of any cellular signaling mechanism by which the local acidity encourages cell growth, or how sugar levels lead to increased acidity in the blood, which is strongly buffered.

    Emily, do you have any references for this?

    Best,
    Jeremy
  • GOOFYLADIE
    GOOFYLADIE Member Posts: 232 Member
    #27
    jscho said:

    how does acidity affect cancer?
    I'm curious about the comment that lower pH "feeds" cancer. The cell regulates the "acidity" of the cytoplasm with proton pumps and other ion channels. I don't know of any cellular signaling mechanism by which the local acidity encourages cell growth, or how sugar levels lead to increased acidity in the blood, which is strongly buffered.

    Emily, do you have any references for this?

    Best,
    Jeremy

    I think you have hit it on the head with this one
    I had colon cancer 11 years ago. I was a fruit and veggie person to the max. I loved a BBQ'd homemade hamburger and still do once in awhile. Chemo managed to ruin the taste of fruits and veggies for me. I try and taste them and still fix them all the time but they never have tasted the same as they used to. But the Ph level your talking about I am very curious too. I am on Aciphex, they have me take Tums for the Calcium but it has also helped with tummy issues, and I am on Lialda for Ulcerative colitis. I was being treated for stomach ulcer they thought when they finally decided to scope both ends and found the cancer. I had been on stomach meds for a year and a half before they ever scoped my stomach. They would have seen I had no ulcers then. But I did have a high ph. Just thought I would through that in the pile. Thanks all your awesome.
    I love the feedback everyone has.
    Make it a great day!!
    Goofyladie (Cass)
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
    #28
    jscho said:

    how does acidity affect cancer?
    I'm curious about the comment that lower pH "feeds" cancer. The cell regulates the "acidity" of the cytoplasm with proton pumps and other ion channels. I don't know of any cellular signaling mechanism by which the local acidity encourages cell growth, or how sugar levels lead to increased acidity in the blood, which is strongly buffered.

    Emily, do you have any references for this?

    Best,
    Jeremy

    Robert Young, PhD
    Hi Jeremy,

    Well, I'm not biologist or chemist so you're getting kinda fancy on me. I like to keep it simple.

    According to Robert Young, PhD different areas of our bodies need different pH levels but "the blood must stay in a very narrow pH range--mildly basic or alkaline. The body will will go to great lengths to preserve that, including wreaking havoc on other tissues or systems.
    The pH level of our internal fluids affects every cell in our bodies. The entire metabolic process depends on an alkaline environment. Chronic overacidity corrodes body tissue.......it is the root of all sickness and disease."

    My quick quote doesn't do justice to the book, so anyone can read it--The Ph Miracle by Robert Young, PhD.

    But that's just one reference. We can start there.

    peace, emily
  • kristasplace
    kristasplace Member Posts: 957 Member
    #29
    2bhealed said:

    Robert Young, PhD
    Hi Jeremy,

    Well, I'm not biologist or chemist so you're getting kinda fancy on me. I like to keep it simple.

    According to Robert Young, PhD different areas of our bodies need different pH levels but "the blood must stay in a very narrow pH range--mildly basic or alkaline. The body will will go to great lengths to preserve that, including wreaking havoc on other tissues or systems.
    The pH level of our internal fluids affects every cell in our bodies. The entire metabolic process depends on an alkaline environment. Chronic overacidity corrodes body tissue.......it is the root of all sickness and disease."

    My quick quote doesn't do justice to the book, so anyone can read it--The Ph Miracle by Robert Young, PhD.

    But that's just one reference. We can start there.

    peace, emily

    Anaerobic
    I've also been reading that cancer thrives in an anaerobic environment. That's another good reason for something that's nearly impossible to do when on chemo; exercise! Someone sent me a link to a website i haven't been able to explore yet about how baking soda gives the cells oxygen, and aids in alkanization. Here is the link: www.naturalallophatic.com

    Two cups a day of baking soda water. I wonder how THAT tastes!

    Hugs!
    Krista
  • jscho
    jscho Member Posts: 62
    #30
    2bhealed said:

    Robert Young, PhD
    Hi Jeremy,

    Well, I'm not biologist or chemist so you're getting kinda fancy on me. I like to keep it simple.

    According to Robert Young, PhD different areas of our bodies need different pH levels but "the blood must stay in a very narrow pH range--mildly basic or alkaline. The body will will go to great lengths to preserve that, including wreaking havoc on other tissues or systems.
    The pH level of our internal fluids affects every cell in our bodies. The entire metabolic process depends on an alkaline environment. Chronic overacidity corrodes body tissue.......it is the root of all sickness and disease."

    My quick quote doesn't do justice to the book, so anyone can read it--The Ph Miracle by Robert Young, PhD.

    But that's just one reference. We can start there.

    peace, emily

    thanks for reference
    Thanks for the reference emily. I will check into it. Sorry if I sounded fancy or uppity (I am a chemist and know a bit of biology). I do believe strongly in dietary influences on cancer growth, but always try to understand the mechanism.

    Best,
    Jeremy
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
    #31
    kristasplace said:

    Anaerobic
    I've also been reading that cancer thrives in an anaerobic environment. That's another good reason for something that's nearly impossible to do when on chemo; exercise! Someone sent me a link to a website i haven't been able to explore yet about how baking soda gives the cells oxygen, and aids in alkanization. Here is the link: www.naturalallophatic.com

    Two cups a day of baking soda water. I wonder how THAT tastes!

    Hugs!
    Krista

    Pure Maple syrup
    Hi Krista,

    I have a friend in my homeschool group healing from breast cancer and she's doing it au natural. I believe she mixed maple syrup into the baking soda to get the cancer active and then the baking soda pops the cancer.

    Don't quote me on that but that's what I remember.

    peace, emily
  • 2bhealed
    2bhealed Member Posts: 2,064 Member
    #32
    jscho said:

    thanks for reference
    Thanks for the reference emily. I will check into it. Sorry if I sounded fancy or uppity (I am a chemist and know a bit of biology). I do believe strongly in dietary influences on cancer growth, but always try to understand the mechanism.

    Best,
    Jeremy

    Oh gosh,
    well I don't always understand the mechanism if anyone gets too science-y on me! :-)

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